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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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picklepikkl said:
barring a major sea-change in dwarf-elf relations that results in their greatest magic-users being able to pool their shared theoretical understanding and cooperate again.
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teclis: will helping you piss off every other elf while not technically doing anything that will get me in trouble.

Mathilde: probably.

Teclis: I'm in.

Mathilde: but I haven't told you...

Teclis: I'm in.
 
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minerva-n-memes said:
Considering how hostile this planet is to dwarves, our long-term goal must be to build a dwarvish space program. This world far too tainted by the aethyr? we'll find a new world much more suited to necrons dwarves. :p
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Isn't space, like, pure Aether?

Dwarfs would be better suited by grabbing all the mountains and throwing them on one big heap, with them in the center.
 
10ebbor10 said:
Isn't space, like, pure Aether?

Dwarfs would be better suited by grabbing all the mountains and throwing them on one big heap, with them in the center.
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No it's the opposite. Space is 100% real. The planet is swamped with energy from the aether but that energy is coming out of the polar gates. The farther away from those gates you get the more real reality is. If you are in space you can get far enough away to be free from the aetheric energy.

When we were constructing our magic neutral tower we use meteoric graphite because it had a memory of the magic free space.
 
Alratan said:
The Eonir, the elves or Laurelorn Forest. In some versions of their story they're elven colonists that remained in the Old World but didn't become part of Athel Loren. They still have high magic, and are less likely to have been dicks to the dwarves based on lack of opportunity.
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This sounds like a good opportunity for Mathilde. If we get sent to recruit Eonir mages to help with this project (with some ridiculous amount of silver as payment of course), we'll be able to start making advances on the Elf Magic side of the Elemental Golem project.

We could also use it as an opportunity to scout the area out and start digging into this Middenland-Nordland conflict. The Ulrican Knights said something about a schism, and IIRC some Nordlander villages have up and vanished? There's something fishy going on in the region, and I'm dying to find out.

Plus according to canon the Eonir go around the region's forests exterminating human villages as a matter of population control. It could be that they're the ones stirring up the Middenland-Nordland conflict, in which case someonr really needs to get on top of things so that the Empire doesn't devolve into a civil war.

@BoneyM can Mathilde present this idea to Belegar and Kragg in-character? The Eonir knowledge trade I mean.
 
High Elves and wood elves share all of the war of the beard grudges.

any elven collaboration, especially on a project like bok, is vanishingly unlikely.
 
There are Human Elementalist mages who can create similar Elementals to Bok, just without the runes. I don't see any reason right now to assume that we have to bring in Elven participants in this project.

Especially since you'd neeed to give them one hell of an incentive to work with Dwarves. Elven mages are arrogant, and their time is precious. Meanwhile the Imperial College of Elementalists can probably be hired with Dwarf and College favor.
 
It's more likely for us to try and get the information ourselves from the elves. (notes, books, teaching etc.) then pass it on to Kragg or even help a little.

because it is then from a human, not an elf (polite fiction.)

note the more 'likely', not 'likely'.
 
DarknessSmiles said:
High Elves and wood elves share all of the war of the beard grudges.

any elven collaboration, especially on a project like bok, is vanishingly unlikely.
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The Eonir are some of the most tolerant elves around (which isn't saying much ofc). The Empire has wandering Laurelorn Elves all over the place mingling with Humans and Empire Dwarfs, and there's more and more Eonir leaving the forest to sight see in the Empire and get familiar enough to help integrate Laurelorn Forest into the structure of the Empire (without sacrificing sovereignty). They're not like the Athel Loren Elves, at least not too much. If any elves are willing to work with Dwarfs, it's them.
 
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HanEmpire said:
The Eonir are some of the most tolerant elves around (which isn't saying much ofc). The Empire has wandering Laurelorn Elves all over the place mingling with Humans and Empire Dwarfs, and there's more and more Eonir leaving the forest to sight see in the Empire and get familiar enough to help integrate Laurelorn Forest into the structure of the Empire (without sacrificing sovereignty). They're not like the Athel Loren Elves, at least not too much.
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My statement has nothing to do with elven character, only dwarf grudges.

they are decedents, or members, of the elves who fought in the WotB.

that grudge is one of the biggest in the dammaz
Kron.

there is no way they will risk the only known 5 rune thing in existence by letting some elves get anywhere near it.
 
Chronic said:
There are Human Elementalist mages who can create similar Elementals to Bok, just without the runes. I don't see any reason right now to assume that we have to bring in Elven participants in this project.

Especially since you'd neeed to give them one hell of an incentive to work with Dwarves. Elven mages are arrogant, and their time is precious. Meanwhile the Imperial College of Elementalists can probably be hired with Dwarf and College favor.
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A note on the elentalists, they are working on a petchwork methodology than leaves them notably more unstable than Teclisian mages (who Kragg already considers at least somewhat insane). I would rather not drag an elementalist in front of Kragg without considerable scrutiny
 
Yeah we should bring in the human elementalists on this one.

Only reasonable shot we have at figuring out the magical side of things.
 
DarknessSmiles said:
My statement has nothing to do with elven character, only dwarf grudges.

they are decedents, or members, of the elves who fought in the WotB.

that grudge is one of the biggest in the dammaz
Kron.

there is no way they will risk the only known 5 rune thing in existence by letting some elves get anywhere near it.
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So's Arsanil. Political independence from the Pheonix King can be enough to not fall under the same Grudges.

The Wood Elves have Grudges through entirely separate events.
 
DragonParadox said:
A note on the elentalists, they are working on a petchwork methodology than leaves them notably more unstable than Teclisian mages (who Kragg already considers at least somewhat insane). I would rather not drag an elementalist in front of Kragg without considerable scrutiny
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I wouldn't expect us to bring the elementalist in front of Kragg at all unless we got very lucky with who we found - someone extremely sane and effective who spoke Kazalid - rather we'd want to learn about their techniques, and bring our translated understandings to him.
 
kingreaper said:
I wouldn't expect us to bring the elementalist in front of Kragg at all unless we got very lucky with who we found - someone extremely sane and effective who spoke Kazalid - rather we'd want to learn about their techniques, and bring our translated understandings to him.
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They are unlikely to trust us with said techniques. It bears remembering that there is considerable institutional and ideological friction there. Broadely speaking Teclisian mages think Elementalists are ticking time bombs (if the least dangerous of the sort) and the Elenetalists think the colleges are inhabited by jackbooted thugs who want to use them for cannon fodder in the service of the Empire.
 
DragonParadox said:
They are unlikely to trust us with said techniques. It bears remembering that there is considerable institutional and ideological friction there. Broadely speaking Teclisian mages think Elementalists are ticking time bombs (if the least dangerous of the sort) and the Elenetalists think the colleges are inhabited by jackbooted thugs who want to use them for cannon fodder in the service of the Empire.
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Well then, time to bridge that gap.

sure as shit gonna be easier than getting elves and dwarves to reconcile.
 
Eh- I tend to be pro-elf in general. The inability to let anything ever go seems worse than arrogance, despite elves getting worse press.
 
ninjafish said:
Still seems a lot riskier than just doing the elementalists a favor or too.
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If the lore was equivalent I would be inclined to agree, but the elementalists are called out as being unstable. That said there is nothing saying we can't combine the ideas. Get some elven lore on elementals and drop them in an elemntalist's lap to improve their understanding of magic, then have them help. The decision point for that is still a long ways off regardless
 
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