Kazador has a dozen children iirc, most of which are daughters.
He's THE rolemodel we want dwarfs to emulate.
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Kazador has a dozen children iirc, most of which are daughters.
He's THE rolemodel we want dwarfs to emulate.
Kornet
Quite possibly a sloth abomination
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- Mother Russia
Well, I'm not sure how much of it is him, and how much of it is his wife. The dwarves seem to think it is much more his wife's accomplishment.
And I think I agree with them. That woman is awesome.
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It's not the years, it's the mileage. And we have shitloads of that.
I don't think relationships should be settled by "narrative weight", Belegar marrying a non dwarf and basicly decapitating his lineage feels, an odd choice, possible, and if it is what he wants sure, but i just don't see any hints of potential romance.
Roswita is not our equal, except through social status, she is growing, but so far she has clearly been someone to protect and guide.
I could see it becomming something else, but that would require the readers to actively vote to spend time with Roswita, instead of constantly getting distracted with the newest shiny opportunity to hoard wealth or go on adventures.
Panoramia, once she hits Magister and starts to grow more independent has potential, i find her original fangirl reaction to be entertaining which, which kinda brings up issues of its own.
But i think she has room to grow to where the issues stop being issues.
Gretel, nope, though i would love to bring her in as a semi permanent companion/student/employee.
As a crackship, Heidi, we could be the mistress if the empress.
Like, if we find someone and collectively vote to actually spend socials on them, sure, maybe something comes up.
But the seeming eagernes to ship Mathilde with any male with a pulse and a name/screentime feels weird.
I think you're overestimating our power and social position: we're a council member to a dwarven king, maybe Lord Magister soon. That makes us equal to the council members of Imperial provinces, major landholders in those provinces, notable Border Princes, mercenary leaders, prominent priests, merchants, and generals and so on. Belegar, Roswita and Kragg mean we're shooting for a step up on a social ladder. Someone like Oswald or Panoramia would be a step down, so power disparity is not a big deal unless there's a direct chain of command. And anyway, Mathilde doesn't seem abusive, so we can make it work with a power disparity as well. Nothing wrong about home dads.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
Well its not like Kazador was doing most of the work
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- Finland
We are also on a fast track to magister lord.
Not a step up from a council member, but a more permanent rank.
Personally i hope we'll move away from K8P once the current events are gone, not permanently, but less K8P council stuff and start focusing more on imperial intrigue, Heidi and the god baby are full of potential for intrigue, and while straight out war is interesting, the original draw was, atleast for me, lot in the spy/intrigue stuff.
And i don't see there being that much of it in K8P specifically or dwarfs in general. Though a break for pure research for a few turns would be nice as well.
Also, for someone like Panoramia, she is technicly lower rank than we are, and when she gets to magister, we will be close to magister lord, if not an actual magister lord, so that is unlikely to change.
But she knew us when we were just a magister, and has had enough time to see us being an actual person, instead of the person she imagined us to be when she was asking us for an autograph, and we are not part of her college, so outside the fact that we are the senior wizard in K8P, our relative ranks are not that big of a deal.
Not a step up from a council member, but a more permanent rank.
Personally i hope we'll move away from K8P once the current events are gone, not permanently, but less K8P council stuff and start focusing more on imperial intrigue, Heidi and the god baby are full of potential for intrigue, and while straight out war is interesting, the original draw was, atleast for me, lot in the spy/intrigue stuff.
And i don't see there being that much of it in K8P specifically or dwarfs in general. Though a break for pure research for a few turns would be nice as well.
Also, for someone like Panoramia, she is technicly lower rank than we are, and when she gets to magister, we will be close to magister lord, if not an actual magister lord, so that is unlikely to change.
But she knew us when we were just a magister, and has had enough time to see us being an actual person, instead of the person she imagined us to be when she was asking us for an autograph, and we are not part of her college, so outside the fact that we are the senior wizard in K8P, our relative ranks are not that big of a deal.
Lealope
Not yet invincible
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- She/Her
Viable partners
Roswita
Belegar
Panoramia
Johann
Semi-viable
Gunnars
Ruprecht Wulfhart
Ranald?
Potentially viable
Oswald Oswaldson
Soizic*
Asarnil?
Nope, just not happening
Kragg
Kazador
Abelheim
Any disagreements?
*The more I hear about her, the more I wish we'd spent time with her earlier on, she seems amazing.
I'd put a pin in this and say that theoretical power disparities are largely workable, which is where Oswald and Panoramia would fall under. The former doesn't seem to give a flying fuck about anything we are while the latter has learned to see through our shit pretty quickly and isn't an impressionable fangirl anymore. A relationship with these two would basically be fine.
Compare this to Franscesco Caravello, who has a very tangible understanding of just how powerful we are in every sense. This would require geological shifts in how our relationship is to even begin to pursue because any act of pursuit on our part would be implicitly coercive to him since he's terrified of us on a very personal level.
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[X] King Belegar
Roswita
Belegar
Panoramia
Johann
Semi-viable
Gunnars
Ruprecht Wulfhart
Ranald?
Potentially viable
Oswald Oswaldson
Soizic*
Asarnil?
Nope, just not happening
Kragg
Kazador
Abelheim
Any disagreements?
*The more I hear about her, the more I wish we'd spent time with her earlier on, she seems amazing.
I'd put a pin in this and say that theoretical power disparities are largely workable, which is where Oswald and Panoramia would fall under. The former doesn't seem to give a flying fuck about anything we are while the latter has learned to see through our shit pretty quickly and isn't an impressionable fangirl anymore. A relationship with these two would basically be fine.
Compare this to Franscesco Caravello, who has a very tangible understanding of just how powerful we are in every sense. This would require geological shifts in how our relationship is to even begin to pursue because any act of pursuit on our part would be implicitly coercive to him since he's terrified of us on a very personal level.
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[X] King Belegar
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There, fixed that for you.
As I understand it's the husbands *cough* contribution that decides the gender of the child at least in humans, but yeah that woman is awesome.
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I'd strike out Belegar, he is a king and needs heirs, we can't provide those. Not an unworkable situation but i don't see Belegar going for it, and see no reason for why Mathilde would even think about it.
Also i have no idea why Johann keeps being brought up. More likely than Belegar because no major reasons why it could not happen. I just fail to see any reasons why it would.
Roswita we have a strong personal connection to, just not seing much potential for romance with her nervousness about magic and wizards, even if she is the battle wizards most favorite person in the world. Could be. Maybe. More of a familiar connection though, we could be the spookiest auntie not just for the future emperor but a current elector count.
Panoramia's major demerits are that she is a journeyman, and started out as a fangirl, both which introduce potential issues, but journeyman status will fix itself in time, and i think she has grown out of fangirlishnes by now. Not really a major contender, but i don't think anyone is, mainly she is my favorite because i think she could be a good foil to Mathilde, and i have found interations with her most entertaining.
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How did you even come up with that list? That thing's silly. Well, no. But that ranking is silly. Or maybe I'm just missing things.
How are you ranking them? Viable? Viable for what? How? Romance? Thread interest? Family?
Pretty sure Halflings are a distinct race in Warhammer, not a byproduct of a Dwarf/Human union. Pretty sure those don't work. I think.
So you could go the adoption route, but again in terms of barriers to entry it goes human male>human female>dwarf anything>dwarven Kings>Dwarven Runelords.
You could make the later entries work, but each step down that ranking means you have more issues to resolve for a successful relationship. Not that the human male comes without his own, as that's the one most likely to need kids of the flesh, if Mat doesn't want them.
Mind you, Mat's a wizard, and one of the more respected/better positioned ones, so many of those barriers won't bite quite as much as they might a regular person/noble, but still.
Having a romance with a dwarf would raise eyebrows.
Having a romance with a dwarven King might actually start some kind of political problem.
EDIT: people can be family without blood or romance in it, you know. If Kragg is the surly Uncle, Belegar is the cheerful older brother.
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I say again: this is cool stuff.
Googling 'supervolcano collapsed caldera' didn't get anything much, but eventually I did stumble upon one pic that from an angle looks pretty good. Also, they all had water in them, this one included, but nevermind that.
Gentlemen, behold! Mount Pinatubo. It's in the Philippines.
Though, I think it's just a trick of perspective that makes it look like it's actually surrounded by mountains. And even in the second picture, it looks more like hills than mountains.
Karak Eight Peaks though... how the hell do you get eight large sized mountains like that out of one caldera? It's not just a matter of height, I mean. It's also the fact that mountains are, uh... they're mountain-shaped. Mountains are big, and they have lots of stuff in them. A caldera's lip would... be thinner or something, I think.
Karak Eight Peaks... this looks like it might be both a caldera and a mountain range? Maybe? That it's 8 mountains, surrounding a former-supervolcano magma chamber.
Hmm. Question. Could the tarn on Karagril have been another -- weird -- example of a caldera? Or, that's not the right word, but... something created by a volcano? Or by part of a mountain collapsing or something? I dunno, I'm not a geologist, I don't know what the proper words are for these things.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Anything with a pulse, really--and not even a pulse, if your name begins with Omega and ends with Hugger-but I digress. Yeah, no pairing at all would work well too, but if I had to choose it would be one of those two. As for the narrative weight... IMO, it would be best to pick someone that we already have a strong rapport and relationship with which then grows into romance, not for memes or cuteness. Johann and Kragg are pretty much the only other people with more than the occasional periphery interaction, and while Johann might work, he's also our subordinate, which would make it awkward.It's not the years, it's the mileage. And we have shitloads of that.
I don't think relationships should be settled by "narrative weight", Belegar marrying a non dwarf and basicly decapitating his lineage feels, an odd choice, possible, and if it is what he wants sure, but i just don't see any hints of potential romance.
Roswita is not our equal, except through social status, she is growing, but so far she has clearly been someone to protect and guide.
I could see it becomming something else, but that would require the readers to actively vote to spend time with Roswita, instead of constantly getting distracted with the newest shiny opportunity to hoard wealth or go on adventures.
Panoramia, once she hits Magister and starts to grow more independent has potential, i find her original fangirl reaction to be entertaining which, which kinda brings up issues of its own.
But i think she has room to grow to where the issues stop being issues.
Gretel, nope, though i would love to bring her in as a semi permanent companion/student/employee.
As a crackship, Heidi, we could be the mistress if the empress.
Like, if we find someone and collectively vote to actually spend socials on them, sure, maybe something comes up.
But the seeming eagernes to ship Mathilde with any male with a pulse and a name/screentime feels weird.
Except It's more than just social position, and especially more than current position. You have to think about the endgame, too. For one thing, our reputation after this battle will probably have reached high enough amongst the dwarves, and Belegar in particular, that we would have enough standing to make it work, and the differences in age and experience would probably close the gap for Roswita. Also our position afterwards--queen or whatever the same-sex spousal title is for Elector Counts is--would put us on the same standing, while nobody else changes it. As for Kragg, he's a grandmaster which the Lord Magister rank would be considered equal to IIRC, and while he's no normal Grandmaster, again, our personal and national standing with him and the dwarves closes the gap(although personally he seems more granpa or unclish to me, but this is for argument's sake). Panoramia... technically we wouldn't outrank her too much, and a little more screentime would make her decent, but the big problem i see is thaat she fears us. Not by much, but she is still just a little afraid and in awe of us, which should make it clear enough how far apart her and Mathilde are regardless of status. She also only has, what, five magic without her staff? And we have eight, are still growing, and no staff at all. Unless we start dragging her along on our adventures so she can grow alongside us, there will always be a clear disparity there, especially since Lord Magister potential is really rare to begin with.
Basically what I'm saying is that everyone else needs work. Out of them all, I would be willing to vote for Panoramia if she had been built up previously, but if we wanted something soonish, then Belegar and Roswita are the best options.
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I am going to be honest. This is quite creepy. Analyzing peoples social position to find ideal partners? Talking about trying to get someone to grow so their a better marriage partner? Let's not.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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Mathilde needs no lover!
When she wishes to pass on her legacy she can do it to an apprentice.
A cute little apprentice who we can teach how to sword and to magic, and to ohhh its so cute
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- Finland
For me, Belegar is straight out. I just don't see how it could happen.
Roswita, maybe, eventually, overtime, just don't see the thread spending enough social options on her for it to happen.
But atleast people are now hating Thorgrim instead of Roswita so it's not a complete nonstarter.
Kragg, lol nope.
Johann, i barely remember who he is. One of the gold wizards. The one who was actually a journeyman? Was it he or Max who were turning to gold? I just find him about as interesting as a plank of wood. Maybe with more screentime?
Panoramia had a strong start with her fangirlishenss, she has potentially interesting backstory we have learned hints about, we got closer to her when she went into combat against our orders and we explained why it is such a bad idea.
I want to spend more time with Panoramia, she is interesting, be it as a romantic interest or just a friend, she feels like an interesting addition to the story in a way that other wizards (except Gretal) in K8P just aren't.
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This.Mathilde needs no lover!
When she wishes to pass on her legacy she can do it to an apprentice.
A cute little apprentice who we can teach how to sword and to magic, and to ohhh its so cute
We have already a path to continue our legacy if/when we feel like doing so.
If we happen to find someone the thread agrees enough about to spend socials on, and can agree to romance them (unlike the 5 (6?) way vote of who Mathilde has feelings about where Van Hal got second, and then people upgraded that to almost obsessive degree (i must assume as a running joke)), fine, romance happens.
But, i'd rather we not force it.
K8P is obviously artificial because volcanic mountains don't erupt in circles. They tend to progress on a definite direction as a eruption occurs, gets plugged by a new fatass heavy mountain, the mantle jiggles a bit and the magma from the chamber erupts a distance away. A circular magma arrangement of similar size would imply that the eruptions were planned and steered with minimal chamber movement.
Tectonic mountains chains are even more linear, because they're the result of tectonic plates subduction (think Andes or himalayas).
Personally, from my read of the lore, i think GW wanted to imply the Old Ones had something hinky with geomancy and the '8' winds of magic planned.
Tectonic mountains chains are even more linear, because they're the result of tectonic plates subduction (think Andes or himalayas).
Personally, from my read of the lore, i think GW wanted to imply the Old Ones had something hinky with geomancy and the '8' winds of magic planned.
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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- the Philippines
The tarn could have been the lava chamber perhaps?
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
It... wasn't exactly about that. I'm thinking of the things that generally lead to issues in relationships, imbalance in power and responsibility, differences in experience, the ability to actually understand and relate to each other... things like that. The only people who could really understand Mathilde's constant drive to make the world a better place and her commanding nature would be someone who has ruled over at least some form of territory and population. The only people who could understand her relationship with magic or combat experience is someone who has been on similar adventures, and has enough power of their own to at least feel like a peer, if not necessarily a close one. It's not about the social position, it's about what that position entails and how it would have shaped a person.
And I wasn't trying to suggest we start building Panoramia up just so we could romance her, I was trying to say the only way she would become a viable option is if she got built up, if we had a better rapport with her, stuff like that. Cause to effect, not effect to cause. I would vote for building the relationship with Panoramia anyways, but it would need to win enough to consider her a romance option. Basically this:
He's a peer(for now), Mathilde gets along with him, understands how he ticks, goes on adventures with him, etc.
That already gives him vastly more IC justification than most people, considering the list had people Mathilde literally talked to twice.
Its the reverse, the mountains look like hills because of the sheer scale:
Aso Caldera - Wikipedia
The two brown arcs there are an actual city. The central smoking hole is the stump of the original peak. And the whole thing is elevated.
Supervolcano calderas only show up in scenic pictures as the central cone. You're looking at their equivalent of the Citadel or ONE of the rim-peaks, unless you got a satellite image.
Pretty sure the angle needed to take a snapshot of the whole thing would require mountaineering gear or aircraft.
I don't think you're quite getting the scale here...
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The best lesson Mathilde gets to teach is to look like you know what you are doing while having no clue wtf is going on.Mathilde needs no lover!
When she wishes to pass on her legacy she can do it to an apprentice.
A cute little apprentice who we can teach how to sword and to magic, and to ohhh its so cute
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- Finland
Yeah, and some of those people on the list are insane stretches imo.
We work with him and don't hate him, hooray. Or more specifically, he works for us.
Like, if he was more interesting character, or had more active screentime beyond work, maybe i could see it.
But as it is, not really.