It's not a plan vote this time.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Don't you all start that. We are about to wield the power of the dwarven God of the Dead. Do not go into battle thinking about violating his principle tennents. And it would be fucking illegal under dwarf law, and fucking sacrilege. Dont.
Cool. So we vote by line.
It's still a plan, just not a plan vote. It's a difference, but not in terms of planing, just voting, if that makes sense.
I mean, thanks, I guess for pointing it out. Saved me a later edit. So it goes like this:
Plan Melt Everything and killzone them:
[ ] FIRST LINE: Caldera
[ ] SECOND LINE: Hold
[ ] THIRD LINE: Eastern Valley
Plan Lose the will to fight:
[ ] FIRST LINE: Western Gates
[ ] SECOND LINE: Withdraw
[ ] THIRD LINE: Underway
for those who want to follow. Or. Hmmm....
Maybe the whole Not a Plan vote means they don't interact. Like, the First Line Tower will work, weather we Hold or Withdraw. Like the dwarves will blockade enough that it holds long enough for the Eye to work, so it doesn't matter for the first plan, what the second step is.
It only matters if we plan to Hold in the Second for hours until the citadel can be used. In that way it would matter if it was a plan or a by line vote. Huh.
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Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
For anything except Karag Nar, yeah.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
If its not for the Mountain the tower is on, no we can ´t.
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- California
Please stop poking the mechanics.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
I meant presighting for the citadel, but that ultimately won't work per a WOG that Eshin'd me.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
My assumption was that the illusion extended the length of the caldera, not that we were actually moving the sun. It does not, so my objection no longer matters.
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Oi, don't lump me in with him. I was providing an obvious answer to a question.
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Pempelune
Fanfiction Deep State
How do you figure that? If we give up Karagril as the Withdraw plan calls for, how long do you think our defensive lines in the Drazh/Karagril Underway will hold? Not very long at all, when they are entirely in the wrong direction. Then they get reinforcements, and a secure line to Drazh. We can't allow Karagril to fall.
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No. The sun is moved for the purposes of casting Karag Nar's shadow. There is one useful edge case where the spillover of this can be used to fire the Citadel's shadow westwards with normal Burning Shadows, but that's it.
There's a dragon trying to sleep right above the Wyvern Caves.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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Five and a half hours for all the orcs to enter, assuming that the Eshin estimates were accurate and that the snotlings can move among the feet of the orcs without impeding them.
The assumption there that I'm worried about is the Eshin estimates, though snotling swarms are actually kind of a pain when the time comes to give battle.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
Fair enough. Matter of semantics while inside K8Ps, but fair enough.
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
No? The citadel's shadow is tiny compared to an entire mountain's.
So @BoneyM, would the war council be open to try different tactics for Karagril and Karag Mhonar in the second line, going for Withdraw in Mhonar to limit loss of life and maximise engagement length of the Waaagh with Bok, while Hold-ing on to Karagril for as long as possible in order to keep the Underway connection there bottled up?
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
The original idea for the tower was to cover the eastern approach with doom fire. Building it on the citadel wouldn't have met that goal as the citadel is much smaller than the mountains surrounding it.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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Then it would have a much smaller shadow, and wouldn't cover the East Gate at all.
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- Ireland
[ ] FIRST LINE: Caldera
[ ] SECOND LINE: Hold
[ ] THIRD LINE: Eastern Valley
I really think we should hold instead of fighting retreats. I know a withdrawal is typically the tactically sound option, but dwarves are used to holding defences not fighting retreats. They'll know how to keep q line better then bloody retreats. As well as this, I can't imagine it would be good for moral to be giving up the freshly taken territory. Look how even the council members reacted to the suggestion. Finally the past thing we want is greenskins taking up residence in empty mountains and getting dug in. We want to turn this WAAAGH away not give it a fresh hold to occupy.
[ ] SECOND LINE: Hold
[ ] THIRD LINE: Eastern Valley
I really think we should hold instead of fighting retreats. I know a withdrawal is typically the tactically sound option, but dwarves are used to holding defences not fighting retreats. They'll know how to keep q line better then bloody retreats. As well as this, I can't imagine it would be good for moral to be giving up the freshly taken territory. Look how even the council members reacted to the suggestion. Finally the past thing we want is greenskins taking up residence in empty mountains and getting dug in. We want to turn this WAAAGH away not give it a fresh hold to occupy.
Losing Mhonar gives the Orcs full access to the Underway, which means you open up a second front on Karagril as well as the new front at the Eastern Valley.
Stockpiling materiel has been a constant side-project for King Belegar, Dreng, and Prince Gotri. Running out would only be a concern if this stretches for months.
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Didn't quite mean it that way.
Not the same, more like "Insufficient discouraging."
If the question is "Can we do this terrible abomination thing?"
The answer "Try it and find out" is not... how should I put it. Not strong enough.
This. How did we forget that. That's strategically relevant information right there. Let's not do that.
In the same vein, how the hell will the Dragon respond to Orcs, after we told him there was a dwarf king around?
Like, would he blame Mat and Belegar for letting the orcs disturb him? This is relevant if we want to let them in through the caves. He is a super mine, but he might not explode just the Waargh. On the other hand, didn't the Orcs come for the dragon?
EDIT: Sorry, not a direct question for you @BoneyM , Mat has no real way to know what the dragon might do. I'm asking the thread to speculate.
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- United States of America
Yeah, but then the Eastern Gate wouldn't be covered if an enemy attacked from there.
And really, should we handle this whole thing well, King Belegar should have the time to seal the Wyvern Caverns as well as make the Western Gate impenetrable. After all, King Belegar will go from a ton of different fronts and enemies at his gates to having a whole Karak with two above entrances (one secured by a tower of DOOOM) one enemy-held underground entrance, and... Skaven, who could theoretically burrow up from almost anywhere but will likely be dealing with the after-effects of the Skaven Civil war and losing a ton of resources in Karak-Eight-Peaks.
TaliesinSkye
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- Northeast Ohio, United States
These are dwarves. They plan for sieges by the decade. I think we're good for one comparatively piddly battle.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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It knows the orcs are coming, intends to destroy them if they give it trouble, and says Mathilde can consider that it taking vengeance for her death if she likes.