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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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veekie said:
That you can change them by how a large mass of people believe isn't really all that different from your being changable by the means of blunt percussion after all.
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I like to think of it as like changing social institutions or cultures or government positions.

Like changing the power and duties of the leader of a country, or of the duties of the nobility or the priesthood -- it's not just a matter of "if everybody believes it, it becomes true", it's a matter of... working towards it. And then, if enough people act in concert with it, and if there is enough tradition behind it, and if there is enough official power in the new powers of the government or bureaucracy...

Then the nobility/leader/whatever actually has that new responsibility/power/thing.

But it doesn't come about just by a ruler's subjects all starting to believe that their ruler has a given power or responsibility.

That plays into it. But it's a number of things. (And in fact, sometimes you can have people believe that the churches/nobility/Colleges of Magic work in a certain way... only for that belief to be wrong.)

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Alectai said:
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I..

I cannot resist.

WATCH AS YOUR PATHETIC MAGIC-USER... BEEEETTRRAAAAAYYYYYYYYS YOU!!!!!!

Oh Skaven, why must you be this way.
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Is that... a reference to the Sindragosa boss fight? Huh.
 
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The title for this thread continues to be relevant, apparently.

But yeah, two more units of Eshin peeps is very worrying. Let's hope the Sorcerer takes one of them out.
 
The fun(?) thing about interacting with Skaven clans as entities is that the more prolonged the interaction is, the more likely everything would escalate to a giant clusterfucks.
 
The target of the Betrayal was a ???, with visible options being Leader, Triad Guy, Whole Triad, and Clan Eshin. Possible options that this leaves are the Council of Thirteen, the Skaven race, or some threat that's eluded our attention until now. Perhaps a Grey Seer that had hired Clan Eshin?
 
Best part is- we don't know who/what is he betraying.
Eshin Sorcerer:"Time to betray the Horned Rat, yes-yes! His cruel-foolish ways will end, and I will seek a kinder world for all of my ki-"
Mathilde: *stabs* No.
 
Someone's got to put together one of those "TRUST NO-ONE, NOT EVEN YOURSELF" memes together for this.

Skaven in the shower peeking around the curtain with a knife in hand as another Skaven is jumping down at it from the window behind and above their head with a menacing shadow raising a sword behind that one.
 
I'm hoping we can observe the Sorceror in a battle. I really want to be able to reverse engineer its spells.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I mean so far gods in WHF do tend to have extremely consistent ones, I imagine exact stories vary a little, but I imagine you'd be hard-pressed to change sigmar's origin story.

I mean usually gods are rooted in the need to tell stories and explain natural phenomenum, not because they will literally sun blast you for not doing so.

And yes resistant to a point. There's only so large a selection of your population you can blast before that stops being viable.
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On the other hand unless the change was extremely gradual and insidious, a god born of a society wouldn't change dramatically to begin with, if they exist due to faith, then the preconditions would need to change catastrophically for a change actively opposed by the god to happen.

Which, as we've seen in the Only Gork heresy, is more likely to spawn a splinter aspect than straight out change the god.
 
Ganurath said:
The target of the Betrayal was a ???, with visible options being Leader, Triad Guy, Whole Triad, and Clan Eshin. Possible options that this leaves are the Council of Thirteen, the Skaven race, or some threat that's eluded our attention until now. Perhaps a Grey Seer that had hired Clan Eshin?
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I'm going to put a single lonely quatloo on betraying the concept of betrayal, for peak Skaven.
 
Alectai said:
Someone's got to put together one of those "TRUST NO-ONE, NOT EVEN YOURSELF" memes together for this.

Skaven in the shower peeking around the curtain with a knife in hand as another Skaven is jumping down at it from the window behind and above their head with a menacing shadow raising a sword behind that one.
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While we're at it, a few more materials added to the suggestions pile... Chronic Backstabbing Disorder. And what a collection of 3 things melded together.

Or, in shorter form and more easily shared picture down below:

Skaven do have loyalties, they just...


"But it's all about the little details!"

... have trouble keeping all the little details straight!
 
Given that our skaven husbando wasn't part of a trio and is unlikely to be the faction leader, he's clearly the one the sorcerer was about to betray.

And then, just as all seems lost in AssassinQuest, that Grey Wizard shows up again in the nick of time to save them! Truly a romance for the ages.
 
veekie said:
On the other hand unless the change was extremely gradual and insidious, a god born of a society wouldn't change dramatically to begin with, if they exist due to faith, then the preconditions would need to change catastrophically for a change actively opposed by the god to happen.

Which, as we've seen in the Only Gork heresy, is more likely to spawn a splinter aspect than straight out change the god.
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I'd say if they're particularly smite happy then that's a pretty good reason and seemingly most gods don't have the level of easy smite access the horned rat does.

Though to go by this does this mean that we'll eventually see Sigmar split into a version of himself that isn't a massive prick, and does support magic?

Was that a splinter aspect? I thought that was mostly Gork and Mork have an actual quarrel not a part of gork split off to become only gork?
 
Hilariously someone re-added the Mountain Vietnam tag, but for the first time, we're the ones committing a gurrilla offensive/blitzkrieg on the Skaven. Feels Good Man.
 
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