Remove ads

Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
Voting is open
Reader mode
veekie said:
They go have loyalties. We've seen with Qrech that he still considers himself to be a patriot of Moulder, even if he's kind of edging the limits.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Yeah, the thing with Skaven loyalties seems to be that they're very prone to the "Destroying my personal enemies who are part of the same institution is actually to the overall benefit of the institution, because they're treasonous fools and it helps me who is the institution's greatest asset" sort of rationalization.
They still can and do feel loyalty to various things, it just happens that somehow the best way to express those loyalties is usually to help themselves.
 
One thing I do fine hilariously Skaven is the fact that in the middle of this Thunderdome of a situation where everything is trying to kill everything else, the Skaven Sorcerer chooses now of all times to try and betray someone.
 
Sinsystems said:
One thing I do fine hilariously Skaven is the fact that in the middle of this Thunderdome of a situation where everything is trying to kill everything else, the Skaven Sorcerer chooses now of all times to try and betray someone.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
considering all the numerology thing the skaven have going for them, us entering the brawl up the number, thus making some skaven decided that it stop being a stable number and the situation is the perfect time to shank rival to get ahead
 
Last edited:
Pipeman said:
Yeah, the thing with Skaven loyalties seems to be that they're very prone to the "Destroying my personal enemies who are part of the same institution is actually to the overall benefit of the institution, because they're treasonous fools and it helps me who is the institution's greatest asset" sort of rationalization.
They still can and do feel loyalty to various things, it just happens that somehow the best way to express those loyalties is usually to help themselves.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Skaven: "everyone else is an idiot, so off them first before they mess everything up forever, for both myself and the group too"?

... I'd buy it. I mean IIRC megalomania is another trait of some Skaven -- notably Thanquol, really -- I suppose. It's not just paranoia alone after all. Thanquol's the worst/best about it though, by far. A real overachiever that one.
 
Doomed Wombat said:
I'd say if they're particularly smite happy then that's a pretty good reason and seemingly most gods don't have the level of easy smite access the horned rat does.

Though to go by this does this mean that we'll eventually see Sigmar split into a version of himself that isn't a massive prick, and does support magic?

Was that a splinter aspect? I thought that was mostly Gork and Mork have an actual quarrel not a part of gork split off to become only gork?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Okay, so lets take Sigmar as a readily available example.
-Sigmar started as a barbarian warlord-smith-hammerguy devotee of Ulric, who was open minded enough to seek blessings from the other gods, tolerant of other races and had the aid of a questionably friendly witch. This guy would have been pretty bewildered by the modern take on Sigmar, especially how the church is fighting with the church of Ulric. He'd have no idea how the fuck you'd even treat a wound beyond asking Shallya or a witch for help. Heck, he'd probably have been just as mystified at the modern Ulricans objection to ranged weapons, they didn't really have much good ranged weapons back then, the modern selection is pretty cool.

-Over the course of his adventures, he united the many tribes into a single Empire, and got them all matched set of runeswords to act as a bond of brotherhood. Given the original era, he probably had his children married with their children to cement the alliance. This was early Sigmar-the-God, God-Emperor of the Empire he made.

-As God of the Empire, his priests needed powers to protect the Empire in battle, so thats what they got. Powers to heal, to smite the greenskin, the beastman, the undead, and the witch. Especially the witch, as all the rest could be handled with thews, but his proto-church were the main option for counterspelling.

-In granting these powers, he changed, his definition shifted. He went from Good Against These Enemies to Hates These Enemies. Thats just cultural drift...but its not like he liked those guys to begin with, so he wouldn't act to tell them "no, this isn't me".

-Then his Church got organized, as they were influential and powerful, and he again shifted. Maybe an earlier Sigmar might have opposed it, but Sigmar God of the Empire of Man isn't the same person, and wouldn't make the same choices as Sigmar God of The Barbarian Federation anymore than Loremaster Mathilde, who uses magic liberally to support her conventional skills, compared to Journeyman Mathilde, who would rather use practical mundane skills and equipment instead of risking miscasts.

And all this...isn't all that different from a person changing as duties and skills are honed.
 
Last edited:
Nix's Warden said:
Hilariously someone re-added the Mountain Vietnam tag, but for the first time, we're the ones committing a gurrilla offensive/blitzkrieg on the Skaven. Feels Good Man.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Pointed it out previously, but Clan Mors is currently literally experiencing all the typical things happening to a falling Dwarfhold.

All the way down to their dependents assaulted and slain to the last by an unexpected attack.
All the way down to holding off another endless horde at the same time, beset on all sides.
All the way down to their last King, surrounded by the most loyal, well equipped and skilled warriors taking the desperate fight to the enemy to either win free or do as much damage to their enemy as they can on the way out.
 
Garlak said:
... I'd buy it. I mean IIRC megalomania is another trait of some Skaven -- notably Thanquol, really -- I suppose. It's not just paranoia alone after all. Thanquol's the worst/best about it though, by far. A real overachiever that one.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
It seems to be why Qrech has so little bitterness over Mathilde destroying the local Moulder forces, even though he's definitely a Moulder loyalist.
Getting his personal vengeance is a big part of why he's bothering to rationalize in the first place, of course, but my reading is that he does his rationalization by assuring himself that the incompetent fool who betrayed him never had a realistic chance of making Moulder be the victorious faction in the first place, so there's no need to hold a grudge against Mathilde.

And though he's a Skaven loyalist overall, he still justifies helping outside forces scoring victories against Eshin and Skyre, because those two are stopping Moulder from leading Skavendom to true greatness and so on.

They need a personal incentive and then they're remarkably efficient about rationalizing why it's actually a good thing for all the things they really care about.
 
Last edited:
wait, there a council member here ?

cause the roll is for who is with them
 
Aaaaaaaaa

That was... Yikes

The 6 was a direct agent of the Warlord-General of all Skavendom

The 1 was A fucking Verminlord

Thank fuck neither of those landed. We couldn't afford the 6, and the 1 would still have good odds of killing everyone in this mountain. Dragon included
 
Last edited:
I love how "Council Agent" and "Council Agent (Loyal)" are separate things. Also, I really hope that things line up such that Mathilde can arrange for both the agent and the sorcerer to die - having an Agent of the Council report back on all the stuff happening in K8P would be unfortunate.
 
Last edited:
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Voting is open
Remove ads
Back
Top