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I'd have been totally happy to just lock them in, I'm not really sure why people wanted to go for a HVT when we're on the cusp of victory.
Because we want to stab something!

Because we want the sorceror's corpse and their stuff...

Well Teclis is one of the most skilled practitioners of the greatest magical tradition on Malus bar the lizardmen. If you are going to believe anyone it should be the elves and when the elves Chaos and vampires agree on something (the nature of gods and the warp) I'd say it's pretty solid.
I don't trust anything the vampires or chaos say is true most of the time.

As for Teclis as I already said, I'm more than willing to say that he's telling the truth, just that he hasn't told us the full story, why? I dunno maybe the full truth wasn't something important to the situation so he decided not to say anything, maybe he felt humans weren't ready for it, maybe he forgot he's a busy person.

The point is that I'm willing to accept its the truth, but not the whole truth.

It might come as a shock to some people, but when you build a character focused on assassination, with stealth magic and legendary equipment to boot, it is very likely that the character will be used for assassination. Why, some might even expect such a character to actually be good at the thing they are specced for.
Yeah, but typically you don't to try and assassinate other assassins.

That's like stabin people in the neck 101.

per children of the horned rat, no- its only castable by grey seers though, in the Lore of Warp
Additionally, the rp rules do count it as a Dark Lore, so they get Chaos Dice (a malus to the miscast roll)
For the Lore of Stealth it's a simple spell.
Right...so basically in order to match it in mobility we have to continually cast a battle/fiendishly complex magic and it just has to spam a simple spell...

Welp that's not good.
 
I don't trust anything the vampires or chaos say is true most of the time.

As for Teclis as I already said, I'm more than willing to say that he's telling the truth, just that he hasn't told us the full story, why? I dunno maybe the full truth wasn't something important to the situation so he decided not to say anything, maybe he felt humans weren't ready for it, maybe he forgot he's a busy person.

Well yes I would not trust vampires or Chaos in isolation either, but they hate each other and both hate the high elves, so why would they all three come up with the same lie about the warp and the nature of gods?
 
Right...so basically in order to match it in mobility we have to continually cast a battle/fiendishly complex magic and it just has to spam a simple spell...

Welp that's not good.

Skitterleap is just better in every way. It doesn't have a range restriction, you just need to be able to see where you're going, and you can teleport other people with it, while also being a simple spell.

Presumably the Lore of Stealth is just better at teleportation, which makes sense as using Dhar to destroy distance is more in theme. It's the same way that other lores are better at weapon creation than Shadow is.
 
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Believing Teclis and believing people's summaries of books are a bit different things. =/

There's also the Elementalism thing. The Elves probably knew it, and Teclis probably decided to teach Color Magic theory in order to rush to Battle Magic (a suggestion I find compelling) but... that did result in Imperial Magisters not knowing much about Elementalism. So Imperial Magisters aren't always all-knowing and infallible.

That said, people have been happy to disagree with Teclis and Volans' judgment/decision on whether the Colleges should worship Gods or be a secular organization whenever that perspective's come up. Pretty frequently I see "melding magic and miracles" as a running theme in quests, a belief pretty directly against what Volans thought should happen.

So, I mean...

These very things that crop up a lot in threads -- tons and magic+miracles -- themselves are sort of... counter or defiance of Imperial magic or most of established lore. It basically came about due to theorycrafting and people making a lot of assumptions -- chief among them the idea that if Chaos Sorcerers can gain magical power from worshipping their gods, why shouldn't others? alongside a few other bits and pieces (Damsels, Nehekhara... And also sometimes talking about miscast risks. Though they've got the same levels thereof on tabletop.)) -- and just running with them.

It's... The ideas sound interesting, sure. Some arguments might or might not be compelling. But -- *sigh*.

Hell, it might even work out and succeed in a thread one day, but... Gah.
 
Right...so basically in order to match it in mobility we have to continually cast a battle/fiendishly complex magic and it just has to spam a simple spell...

Welp that's not good.

The main drawback to Skitterleap is that you have to have a 2 yard (about 1.8 Meters) distance between you landing spot and any creature/obstruction.

At this point I feel sorry for Mors, with how often they are shit on by the dice.
 
ahh... Where is this coming from? We haven't talked about the Liber Mortis for hundreds and hundreds of pages.
I brought it up when people discussed Mathilde's Will.

Or, well, technically I was just talking about an unspecified book to be given to Greta and definitely shouldn't be used to teach her any Dark Arts that can solve any nasty "death" poblems.
 
Well yes I would not trust vampires or Chaos in isolation either, but they hate each other and both hate the high elves, so why would they all three come up with the same lie about the warp and the nature of gods?
You say that like people can't make the same mistakes independently.

Skitterleap is just better in every way. It doesn't have a range restriction, you just need to be able to see where you're going, and you can teleport other people with it.
Yikes.
Noting that its still casting a spell and that means Poke For Miscast is going to be a game they both play here.
I imagine poking to blow up a battle magic is easier though.

The main drawback to Skitterleap is that you have to have a 2 yard (about 1.8 Meters) distance between you landing spot and any creature/obstruction.
That's not as big a draw back compared to ours though.

...wait a minuite is that Mors hunting us or is that Mors hunting Esshin?
 
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