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Talking to the dragon is more of a "if it gets close enough to us to talk to it" otherwise we command the garrison and let it and the Skaven party inside Yar.
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Talking to the dragon is more of a "if it gets close enough to us to talk to it" otherwise we command the garrison and let it and the Skaven party inside Yar.
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Haha no. We are not getting our troops mulched fighting the dragon if we can possibly avoid it.
I definetly want to do this eventually, but doing it while the dragon is in battle rage mode seems unwise. Better to wait for it to mop up Yar and then ask it what's up afterwards.
... all entrances? That's pretty unwise, the Dragon is absolutely going to bust out of there once it's done and head back to it's hoard, and some dinky dwarf sentries absolutely aren't going to stop it.
So yeah, it defaults to this, which I think makes sense. Once the dragon finishes getting its revenge and leaves, we can move in.
Even without Ulgu tricks, Mathilde's a more skilled infiltrator than the rangers, and is more likely to be able to not fuck up diplomacy if spotted by the dragon, so she should be the scout.
Seems like the obvious choice. There's only a dozen of them, so they won't be able to hold off the Red Fang - we either clear the mountain now, or we have to spend way more time and effort clearing it once the orcs move in.
For what purpose? Just clear it and get ready to fortify the mountain itself.
I'd wait to see what the dragon does before we move troops into the mountain. Having a bunch of new ants move into it's apartment might push the dragon back into exterminate mode.
Mostly pointless. The dragon is going to get back to its hoard, one way or the other.
Maaaaybe? Just to fill any fleeing Skaven with crossbow bolts, I suppose. And hopefully they'll be hands off enough to not irritate the dragon, while still keeping enough of an eye on things to let us monitor its location.
And this might be too far the other way. We do want to keep an eye on the dragons movements.
So in conclusion, my votes are:
[ ] YAR: Make no move until you've scouted the Karag Yar battle.
-[ ] Personally.
[ ] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[ ] ZILFIN: Cordon the mountain with Rangers.
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As far as canon goes, I'm pretty sure dragons give no shits about Wind rivalries.
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We have a pretty good reason to attack the trolls: if we do that, we don't need to garrison against them anymore.
Also, there are only a few dozen left. Mop them up, and now we don't have to worry about them at all. Simplify the board.
Beside, we want to fortify the Caldera entrance to Rhyn for when the Red Fangs arrive, so we need to hold the mountain anyway. A few trolls won't be enough to hold off a Waaaagh.
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Dozens, not "a dozen." Fifty trolls are still a lot to murder without specialized forces to do it with; much easier to set up defenses against them now and then collapse the overland entrances before the Waaagh gets here. We can clean them out later.
moratorium for another thirty minutes friendo
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Rhyn has entrances from the Caldera. Kill a dozen trolls, fortify the exterior, and we claim a mountain. Why wouldn't we do that?
Don't think it actually works that way, especially when it killed those Skaven for its own reasons.
Even if Belegar were radical enough for this (which I'm not sure about), we might be looking at dwarven excommunication after all.
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So, to be clear, the way I think we should handle Rhyn is as follows:
Step 1: fortify and garrison the entrances
-If the trolls take exception to us, being on the defensive is the safest way to handle it. Attacking trolls gets people killed, defending against them with field artillery support is great.
Step 2: After we've figured out what the hell is going on with Yar (i.e. not in this vote), collapse or otherwise block off the overland entrances to Rhyn, to deny it to Red Fang.
-If the trolls take exception to us doing this, we will already have a bunch of forces and field artillery pointing in their direction.
Step 3: After we survive the Waaagh, whistle for a Bright or three to blow up the remaining trolls.
-Zero reason to get dwarves killed fighting what is essentially a pack of dangerous animals.
Step 1: fortify and garrison the entrances
-If the trolls take exception to us, being on the defensive is the safest way to handle it. Attacking trolls gets people killed, defending against them with field artillery support is great.
Step 2: After we've figured out what the hell is going on with Yar (i.e. not in this vote), collapse or otherwise block off the overland entrances to Rhyn, to deny it to Red Fang.
-If the trolls take exception to us doing this, we will already have a bunch of forces and field artillery pointing in their direction.
Step 3: After we survive the Waaagh, whistle for a Bright or three to blow up the remaining trolls.
-Zero reason to get dwarves killed fighting what is essentially a pack of dangerous animals.
Mostly I was thinking that it is currently murdering a lot of rats who shroud themselves in invisibility magic and it might be a poor time to be someone who relies on invisibility magic if we don't want the dragon to be annoyed with us by default.
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If we're going to assault one mountain and not both (and I think we should be going for both, personally) we should be hitting Zilfin, not Rhyn. Skyre have been beaten down much harder than the trolls have taken casualties, are theoretically able to recover their cohesion now the dragon is gone, and can bounce back in numbers much more quickly in the long term.
Alectai
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[] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [] Mathilde
[ ] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[ ] ZILFIN: Cordon the mountain with Rangers.
Long story short, Yar and Rhyn need to be secured and locked down for the upcoming Waaagh!, Rhyn is going to be as vulnerable as it'll ever be on account of the only remaining defenses being a handful of trolls about to go into a food coma , so let's clean them out while they're distracted and gorged on fresh meat. Zilfin is largely swept thanks to the Dragon but we want to avoid intruding on its territory just yet, and also it's not a major keystone of our upcoming campaign so we can wait on an assault until we know where we stand with the dragon, and just keep tabs in the meantime.
Yar however, is locked into a thunderdome, with two fully invested warring factions going to the knife and now a HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER in the form of an Emperor Dragon--there is a problem with this however in that very few things can convince fully invested Skaven to stop fighting each other and run away at once--and an Emperor Dragon is it. While they're largely exhausted and going to take further casualties yet from the angry dragon, the possibility exists--especially with the presence of both sides having Lords in their camp--that they make a break for safety--what we want to do is close the door on them when they try this, and for that we need to have Mathilde in play to counter any Eshin shenanigans or Sleek turning out to be scary even as an ancient skaven potentially on crutches. Her Fighting Style would give her full benefits in this environment, and she'd be able to close the door on any Lord-backed breakout attempts without necessarily tripping over the Dragon (But Mathilde would be on hand in that case anyway, and if it's going to attack the ones who are keeping its prey from escaping, I don't imagine talking to it would have gone much better, this would give us damage control without giving the remaining Skaven an inch to wiggle out of.)
We close the door on Thunderdome, but otherwise let it play out, that seems to be the best move we can make there.
- [] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [] Mathilde
[ ] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[ ] ZILFIN: Cordon the mountain with Rangers.
Long story short, Yar and Rhyn need to be secured and locked down for the upcoming Waaagh!, Rhyn is going to be as vulnerable as it'll ever be on account of the only remaining defenses being a handful of trolls about to go into a food coma , so let's clean them out while they're distracted and gorged on fresh meat. Zilfin is largely swept thanks to the Dragon but we want to avoid intruding on its territory just yet, and also it's not a major keystone of our upcoming campaign so we can wait on an assault until we know where we stand with the dragon, and just keep tabs in the meantime.
Yar however, is locked into a thunderdome, with two fully invested warring factions going to the knife and now a HERE COMES A NEW CHALLENGER in the form of an Emperor Dragon--there is a problem with this however in that very few things can convince fully invested Skaven to stop fighting each other and run away at once--and an Emperor Dragon is it. While they're largely exhausted and going to take further casualties yet from the angry dragon, the possibility exists--especially with the presence of both sides having Lords in their camp--that they make a break for safety--what we want to do is close the door on them when they try this, and for that we need to have Mathilde in play to counter any Eshin shenanigans or Sleek turning out to be scary even as an ancient skaven potentially on crutches. Her Fighting Style would give her full benefits in this environment, and she'd be able to close the door on any Lord-backed breakout attempts without necessarily tripping over the Dragon (But Mathilde would be on hand in that case anyway, and if it's going to attack the ones who are keeping its prey from escaping, I don't imagine talking to it would have gone much better, this would give us damage control without giving the remaining Skaven an inch to wiggle out of.)
We close the door on Thunderdome, but otherwise let it play out, that seems to be the best move we can make there.
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I had to put my fucking phone down when I clicked the link and saw that roll. Mathilde is going to get credit for the perfect storm of coincidence that caused most of our enemies to shoot eachother in the face.
I first said this when Snekbox happened. It remains true.
I first said this when Snekbox happened. It remains true.
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...is that a thing for trolls? Like, skaven, sure, the Black Hunger, but trolls?
Valid thinking. I just really don't want to give Skryre time to scrape anything together.
Unlike the other mountains, you need to specify what forces you're committing to this, otherwise it's just Mathilde jogging from entrance to entrance on her lonesome.
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Im pretty sure that us , angrund and the braganza mercs would be enough to murder the remaining trolls with minimal casualties since there is under 50 of them left and they are feasting on greenskins atm so they shouldnt be grouped up aswell to make them more available. And would be a thing to do to claim a freaking mountain for almost free . When before we have had thousands casaulties for claiming each , i imagine here this might be under hundred at worst.
Dont love doing things zilfin when its the dragon mountain for now and not to piss it off by exploring it.
Since the mhonar mystery isnt around for now i think and i dont think trying preventive diplomancy might not be best idea with the current mood of the dragon since it went into another mountain.
Noone is prepping if the dragon attacks us tough and we kinda need to think about this.
And i kinda recommend leaving under caldera after we are done cleaning it of skaven and only defend the foothold to it.
People the caldera underway entrance was closed by skaven according to gm and there probably is a entrance in either zilfin or yar to defend and might be both.
Dont love doing things zilfin when its the dragon mountain for now and not to piss it off by exploring it.
Since the mhonar mystery isnt around for now i think and i dont think trying preventive diplomancy might not be best idea with the current mood of the dragon since it went into another mountain.
Noone is prepping if the dragon attacks us tough and we kinda need to think about this.
And i kinda recommend leaving under caldera after we are done cleaning it of skaven and only defend the foothold to it.
People the caldera underway entrance was closed by skaven according to gm and there probably is a entrance in either zilfin or yar to defend and might be both.
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If it hasn't got any grudges called on it I wonder how much Dwarf favour all this got it?
I really hope we can befriend it. The idea of 50 years down the line K8P being a multicultural community of Eight Dwarven Mountains, The Second Moot, multiple Human Cities around and between the mountains and the We beneath said mountains is looking actually likely, and adding a friendly freaking dragon to that may be possible.
Don't suppose anyone knows a way to attract Lizardmen? Befriend a Slann, maybe Nakai? If we can do that, get some Dwarf accepted Elves in there and create Clan Fluff that would be the absolute dream, Capital of Order right there.
(Actually wait Dragon, Dwarf, Halfling, Human, We, Elf, Lizardmen, Clan Fluff, that's eight races for eight mountains right there, doubt we could actually get each a mountain but the symbolism ahhh please best timeline.)
Alectai
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Thanks for the catch, adjusting.
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I have a great deal of emotional investment in the idea of one of our early sentances explaining everything to Belegar to be "well, I wanted a gas mask for reverse-engineering. And some books too, I suppose"
This, the confluence of luck to bring this outcome so far. Is ridiculous.
I sincerely hope we can make friends with he dragon, desire to take over Orc spaces before the surviving fungi mature to full orcs, Still feel that the best offense against trolls is a good artillery set up untill we hire a few brights or just chip away at them later unless there is a pressing reason to attack now.
Considering the argument that the Eshin/Mors battle might be broken by the Ice Dragon, if we could make a cordon to prevent Skraven fleeing, that seems like it might be useful.
Regarding grudges - take a chance on friendship, consider that there is a thing that can be called "restitution, as expressed by killing Skraven" presuming that there are any applicable grudges at all. Assuming there are not untill later seems the wiser option imo.
Related to this, I do not think we should poke where the dragon has been nesting as that could be considered rude and make diplomacy harder.
I wish Anton were here.
This, the confluence of luck to bring this outcome so far. Is ridiculous.
I sincerely hope we can make friends with he dragon, desire to take over Orc spaces before the surviving fungi mature to full orcs, Still feel that the best offense against trolls is a good artillery set up untill we hire a few brights or just chip away at them later unless there is a pressing reason to attack now.
Considering the argument that the Eshin/Mors battle might be broken by the Ice Dragon, if we could make a cordon to prevent Skraven fleeing, that seems like it might be useful.
Regarding grudges - take a chance on friendship, consider that there is a thing that can be called "restitution, as expressed by killing Skraven" presuming that there are any applicable grudges at all. Assuming there are not untill later seems the wiser option imo.
Related to this, I do not think we should poke where the dragon has been nesting as that could be considered rude and make diplomacy harder.
I wish Anton were here.
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@BoneyM, two more questions before voting opens:
1) If we take "[ ] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven", will this involve sweeping the parts of the mountain previously reserved for the dragon (i.e. above Caldera level) or just the surface and below where Skryre previously nested?
2) Did the rangers that scouted Rhyn say anything about how clumped up the surviving trolls were? I feel that it makes a difference, when deciding about assaulting, if it's "dozens of trolls, but spread out in ones and twos all over the place" or "dozens of trolls, mostly in a couple of the big caverns."
1) If we take "[ ] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven", will this involve sweeping the parts of the mountain previously reserved for the dragon (i.e. above Caldera level) or just the surface and below where Skryre previously nested?
2) Did the rangers that scouted Rhyn say anything about how clumped up the surviving trolls were? I feel that it makes a difference, when deciding about assaulting, if it's "dozens of trolls, but spread out in ones and twos all over the place" or "dozens of trolls, mostly in a couple of the big caverns."
Yar needs scouting, but just from what we already know to be present it's the sort of situaton we can't afford to march an army into blind.
The situation in Rhyn will keep for a day or two. A few dozen trolls won't change back into hundreds overnight - to minimize losses, better to cordon it off for now and go in with specialized equipment later.
Zilfin on the other hand... It needs recon, preferably in force, or a flat out mop up operation. The main reason I'm hesitant is that the dragon may want to come back to roost. At the very least, I'd say we need to know whether the dragon took out any Skryre Breeders potentially there.
The situation in Rhyn will keep for a day or two. A few dozen trolls won't change back into hundreds overnight - to minimize losses, better to cordon it off for now and go in with specialized equipment later.
Zilfin on the other hand... It needs recon, preferably in force, or a flat out mop up operation. The main reason I'm hesitant is that the dragon may want to come back to roost. At the very least, I'd say we need to know whether the dragon took out any Skryre Breeders potentially there.
Alectai
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Edited in my force distributions. Long story short, what we want for the cordon are strong heavy infantry with a good ranged game, with a reserve of beatsticks to handle any enemy force concentrations. But we want enough free forces loose that we can reasonably expect to secure Rhyn in this opening, so we need at least one strong force to run in there and clean up any greenskins left over. the Besiegers look like the best suited to handle that, while the Border Prince Mercenaries provides a bit of extra mass and skirmishing potential for them (They might be able to get some help from leftover Undumgi and Halfling Fieldwardens while they're at it).
We should have time to fortify, so we can grab Karak Izor's forces and the Throng of Karak Azul to form our cordon with, Clan Angrund to serve as a reserve. This is no longer a battle of mobility, but a siege battle where we want to keep them bottled up without getting stuck in--it's dwarf work to the hilt, not a cleanup where their armor is a liability. The Besiegers should be good for Rhyn however as their shields seem like they could keep Troll Vomit off, while they've got the crossbows to tear them apart at a relatively safe distance--it's an assault on a broken defense, their natural hunting ground. Seems only right to give them a shot, no?
We want high force concentration with the cordon on Karag Yar, because the Skaven are going to try to book it, and we need to make sure they fail at this role--and if the Dragon decides to start shit with us, we want to have a force present that could conceivably defeat it, in prepared fighting grounds.
We should have time to fortify, so we can grab Karak Izor's forces and the Throng of Karak Azul to form our cordon with, Clan Angrund to serve as a reserve. This is no longer a battle of mobility, but a siege battle where we want to keep them bottled up without getting stuck in--it's dwarf work to the hilt, not a cleanup where their armor is a liability. The Besiegers should be good for Rhyn however as their shields seem like they could keep Troll Vomit off, while they've got the crossbows to tear them apart at a relatively safe distance--it's an assault on a broken defense, their natural hunting ground. Seems only right to give them a shot, no?
We want high force concentration with the cordon on Karag Yar, because the Skaven are going to try to book it, and we need to make sure they fail at this role--and if the Dragon decides to start shit with us, we want to have a force present that could conceivably defeat it, in prepared fighting grounds.
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Just the Skaven-held parts.
Most are spread out, but there's a few clumps of five or so at what was the larger battlefields.
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....I wonder what kind of face Belegar will make if he returns to find Mathilde has conquered the rest of the peaks while he was gone.
"You were in charge for a day! How?!"
Alectai
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Yeah, Besiegers and Border Prince Mercenaries to do the sweeping then I think.
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [X] Mathilde
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
Actually, wait, one sec.
@BoneyM , what's the current defense in Under-Karagril to deter the remaining Mors forces from breaking out and/or catch the Greenskins when they break through?
[X] YAR: Fortify and garrison all entrances to the mountain.
- [X] Clan Angrund, Throng of Karak Azul, Karak Izor Immigrants
- [X] Mathilde
[X] RHYN: Assault the Trolls now.
[X] ZILFIN: Assault the mountain to slay any surviving Skaven.
Actually, wait, one sec.
@BoneyM , what's the current defense in Under-Karagril to deter the remaining Mors forces from breaking out and/or catch the Greenskins when they break through?
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