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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Seriously speaking, the moment when world literally starts overflowing with undead to the point of expanding into Lustrian sphere of influence is roughly the same moment as when Mazdamundi and His Jolly Good Toad Friends feel the disturbance in the force and decide to make that great flying warpstone pyramid start drilling into the center of the earth, upside down.
 
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Robotninja said:
I have to wonder. If the war of the beard never happened but Nagash pulled off his ritual just fine, would the Elves and Dwarves have been able to defeat him?
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Probably. Wouldn't have been easy, but the two Elder Races were pretty damn powerful in their prime, and their gods would probably have been powerful enough to protect their own dead from Nagashes grasp.
 
Robotninja said:
Remember, Chaos has corruptive effects. So once you get the first hit you start to lose agency. Meanwhile, Nagash freely chose to destroy and ruin everything he touched for his own selfish purposes. No god pushing him onwards.

He wanted to enslave everything in the world. If not for the Skaven, he may have actually pulled it off, too.
I have to wonder. If the war of the beard never happened but Nagash pulled off his ritual just fine, would the Elves and Dwarves have been able to defeat him?
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In terms of raw mystical weight class, almost certainly. On the other hand, Nagash would have near inexhaustible cannon fodder, while Dwarves and Elves are probably the worst races in all of Warhammer at absorbing casualties.
 
Garlak said:
Adela got +1 Learning and the mechanic trait.
Mechanic: Adela has begun to learn the basic applications of the Six Machines of Morgrim.

EDIT: Ah, she also learned the spell Flashcook.
EDIT: Also, Adela got +2 Martial. Here's the side-by-side comparison.

Martial: 13 - Military training has elevated badness to mere mediocrity.
Martial: 15 - Increased accuracy and speed has made Adela a genuine threat on the battlefield.
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Impressive. I'd like to give her our next Duckling action, like we did for Gretel after she impressed us with her Intrigue last turn. It would set a nice precedent: do something cool, get Mathilde's support in doing more of it.
 
ichypa said:
In terms of raw mystical weight class, almost certainly. On the other hand, Nagash would have near inexhaustible cannon fodder, while Dwarves and Elves are probably the worst races in all of Warhammer at absorbing casualties.
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High elf Loremasters could probably deduce the Second Secret of Dhar, or they may have already known it, at which point giant undead hordes are rather less of a threat.

Nagash learned the secrets of manipulating Dhar from an elf, after all.
 
ichypa said:
In terms of raw mystical weight class, almost certainly. On the other hand, Nagash would have near inexhaustible cannon fodder, while Dwarves and Elves are probably the worst races in all of Warhammer at absorbing casualties.
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On the other hand, the hypothetical war would have been more like Dwarves + Elves + Skaven vs. Nagash. The Under-Empire was already fighting him for Cripple Peak, IIRC
 
Depending on the timeline point, honestly. Pre-War of the Beard Pre-Sundering Elves and Dwarfs would probably roll Nagash with absurd fleets of dragons and hordes of the elite infantry.

Basically all elder races in WH could reasonably be argued to be post-apocalyptic remains of their former glory. Dwarfs got hit considerably harder by geomancy-induced total collapse of their civilization, but it is not like Elves did not live through the Sundering, War of The Beard, and couple thousands years of unrelenting, never-stopping civil war with their neighboor next door.

It took a lot for the "Elves and dwarves are dying races" narrative to start ringing true in WHFantasy, is what I am saying. Even in modern WH they are mostly the way they are because world just keeps kicking them down.
 
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Would now be a good time for an effortpost about library purchase planning, or would people prefer to wait until after the social turn hits and we enter the purchase phase planning moratorium?
 
Prospalz said:
Depending on the timeline point, honestly. Pre-War of the Beard Pre-Sundering Elves and Dwarfs would probably roll Nagash with absurd fleets of dragons and hordes of the elite infantry.

Basically all elder races in WH could reasonably be argued to be post-apocalyptic remains of their former glory. Dwarfs got hit considerably harder by geomancy-induced collapse of their civilization, but it is not like Elves did not live through the Sundering, War of The Beard, and couple thousands years of unrelenting, never-stopping civil war with their neighboor next door.

It took a lot for the "Elves and dwarves are dying races" narrative to start ringing true in WHFantasy, is what I am saying.
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haha.. does that mean we are the elf and dwarf Eloi?
 
Alratan said:
High elf Loremasters could probably deduce the Second Secret of Dhar, or they may have already known it, at which point giant undead hordes are rather less of a threat.

Nagash learned the secrets of manipulating Dhar from an elf, after all.
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I would bet on Nagash vs Second Secret of Dhar tbh. If he knows the weakness then he's almost certainly put in counter measures.
 
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As somebody figured out earlier, Nagash went evil because the Mortuary Cult never gave him any favour for his papers.


We clearly should continue this fine tradition of academic bullying. Every uncited paper is a contribution to the source of emotional anguish keeping Nagash too sad to resurrect himself.

Better, we should miscite him.

"The problem with quotes found in Black Books of Nagash is that they are often not true" - Nagash, probably.
 
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Prospalz said:
As somebody figured out earlier, Nagash went evil because the Mortuary Cult never gave him any favour for his papers.


We clearly should continue this fine tradition of academic bullying. Every uncited paper is a contribution to the source of emotional anguish keeping Nagash too sad to resurrect himself.
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That'd be moi. :V

ichypa said:
tfw every atrocity Nagash has ever committed can be traced back to nerdrage over how he came up with a Shattering topic, wrote the book on it, wrote the book on it eight more times, and then got zero Mortuary Cult Favor for it.
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aimlessPolymath said:
Question: What sound effect does our tower make when it activates? I've been picturing ZORCH, but I know that's not really accurate.
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Based upon the fact that shadows don't make noise but the screams of those burning in the flames of Gazul are audible if you listen closely to the hellfire pipe, I believe the sound effect would be "tortured shrieks of the eternally damned of dwarf-hell, unleashed upon the living so that they may witness a brief glimpse of their agony".

This effect remains audible until we turn it off.
 
The true tragedy of Nagash is that based on his motivations, he would have been happy locked up in his room with a waifu pillow and playing The Sims, he had to develop Necromancy because he was born in the wrong time.
 
So something I have been wondering, would you all say that Mathilde is a Legendary Lord Level character yet and if not what does she still need to reach that height? I ask because at the very least she has the magical items for it, so I am rather curious what she is missing.
 
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Estate Upgrades:
'The Shadowkeep' is what the locals have taken to calling the collection of buildings encompassed by a wooden bailey that has become the center of their community, but as it's said with pride instead of fear, you leave it be. The keep itself is fairly modest, built atop a fairly small artificial hill, made of wood, and only a couple of stories tall, but the ability to fire sling-stones at any interlopers from safety would deter any threats the area is likely to face. The ground floor of the keep is your home should you choose to claim it, and until then is home to the 'Steward', which is a fancy title for a local lad who travelled all the way to Tarshof to learn numberin'. Apart from the local tradesfolk, the bailey also contains a number of newly-built huts and cottages.
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