Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Clearly now is the the time for the theoretical cat project to shine!
Even if not intergrating them finding out what exactly about them scares Skaven should be interesting!
Even if not intergrating them finding out what exactly about them scares Skaven should be interesting!
- Location
- Earth
[ ] FIEF: Leave the current and future money be.
Let's give the steward opportunity to make our little fief better.
[ ] [TOWER] Complete
Our tower is done, I'd say. It works at day, it works at night, it works with bad weather.
[ ] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
This is really something to look at. A united Skaven underground would suck.
[ ] PROJECT: Dragon
This has to be done before it wakes up. And we do not know when it will.
[ ] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
Weird stuff is the Wizard's job.
[ ] PROJECT: Cartographer
This would be nice, but isn't a priority
[ ] PROJECT: Kvinn-Wyr
Also nice, but it does protect our flank nicely till we know what is going in at Mhonar.
[ ] PROJECT: Defence
This is always something to think about. Perhaps couple it with some more enchantment training.
[ ] PROJECT: Offence
Let's give Silvania time to fully finish up before we do that.
[] Plan Mysteries
-[] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[] PROJECT: Dragon
-[] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
-[] PROJECT: Defence
The three mysteries and a more traditional add to the defences option.
The bonus with our defenses is, that they will not be typical dwarven defenses.
Let's give the steward opportunity to make our little fief better.
[ ] [TOWER] Complete
Our tower is done, I'd say. It works at day, it works at night, it works with bad weather.
[ ] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
This is really something to look at. A united Skaven underground would suck.
[ ] PROJECT: Dragon
This has to be done before it wakes up. And we do not know when it will.
[ ] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
Weird stuff is the Wizard's job.
[ ] PROJECT: Cartographer
This would be nice, but isn't a priority
[ ] PROJECT: Kvinn-Wyr
Also nice, but it does protect our flank nicely till we know what is going in at Mhonar.
[ ] PROJECT: Defence
This is always something to think about. Perhaps couple it with some more enchantment training.
[ ] PROJECT: Offence
Let's give Silvania time to fully finish up before we do that.
[] Plan Mysteries
-[] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[] PROJECT: Dragon
-[] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
-[] PROJECT: Defence
The three mysteries and a more traditional add to the defences option.
The bonus with our defenses is, that they will not be typical dwarven defenses.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Personal Wealth: 255 Stirlandian gold crowns, 342 K8P gold coins, 442 silver ingots to be spent within the Karaz Ankor, 322 silver ingots that can be spent freely.
we've 1500 dwarven GC that can only be spent in the Karaz-Ankor. My plan proposes to spend 200 beyond the budget we're given each turn.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
Pickle's Promised/Threatened Library Effortpost
Here's a rundown of things we might be doing next turn and what library topics might be useful for each. Due to the stipend mechanic, we are rewarded for planning carefully and not stocking up too much ahead of time -- overspending our stipend with stuff we'll want three turns from now is a waste of our stipend two turns from now. Obviously, we don't know yet what our task will be next turn, but we have some ideas of things that are happening in the Karak and what our personal projects are.
Skaven Politics/Queekish
Useful library topics: Skaven (general), Anatomy (Rosetta stone for the Moulder book), Linguistics (building a Queekish lexicon)
Currently: Skaven +11 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive and Antiquarian Dwarven; Anatomy +6 - Extensive Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven; Linguistics +9 - Extensive and Esoteric Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Proposed purchase: Skaven (Dwarf Esoteric): 50gc, 2DF; Anatomy (Imperial Esoteric): 150gc
We can't increase our Linguistics bonus without paying Favour. We could use our stipend to gain +2 more in Linguistics rather than +1 more in Skaven, but Skaven is a more generally applicable bonus , so I think it's actually more efficient when you consider how many rolls it applies to. Spending to bring Anatomy up to its pre-Favour maximum seems wise, since that book is a big project with a lot of rolls.
Aethyric Vitae
Useful library topics: Daemons (theoretical basis for wtf it is), Sevir/Winds of Magic (inducing transformation into Winds), Aethyr/The Warp (more theory), Chemistry & Physics? (states of matter)
Currently: Daemons +4 - Extensive Dwarven & Imperial, Sevir - The Winds of Magic +6 - Extensive and Antiquarian Imperial / Extensive Dwarven, Aethyr - The Warp +2 - Extensive, Chemistry +2 - Extensive Dwarven
Proposed purchase: None
Some relevant Word of Boney citations:
A lot of these run into the "have to spend Favour to get more books" problem,
Chemistry/Physics I'm unsure about; we didn't roll with them last time, but they did feature in the narration, and if we do the transformations option it may be relevant.
Rejected topics: Chaos Mutants, Beastmen, Powerstones. While @BungieONI did raise a great point about the desirability of researching other kinds of mutation if we do the "test it on living things" action, we can't get the books that actually cover the theory behind Chaotic mutations without special dispensation, for which we would have to justify our interest. Maybe the Chaos Dwarf anatomy text will help? And Powerstones aren't useful to have in our library until we start trying to make some of our own; we might take a class on Powerstones next turn (I know @Quest wanted to find the AP for it), but our library bonus won't help us take the class (when we took Enchanting class last turn, our library bonus didn't kick in).
Karag Mhonar
Useful library topics: ???, ???, Undead??? (???)
Currently: Undead +7 - Extensive and Obscure Imperial / Extensive Bretonnian / Extensive Dwarven
Proposed purchase: None
Some people think Belegar is going to want us to investigate this next turn because seriously, what the actual fuck is going on in there. Some people think he'll be content to let it sit. So far the best theories I've seen for what's going on is "one specific kind of undead called a Mournghul" and "angry dwarf ghosts that never got proper burials." Since we don't know if we'll get this job next turn, and we don't know what's going on in there, and we don't have better ideas than a thing we've already got a lot of in our library, I'm content to let this sit.
Dragons
Useful library topics: Dragons (because dragons)
Currently: Nothing
Proposed purchase: Dragons?
There's a dragon hanging out in the Karak. A really, really, really badass one. Scouting it out might be our problem next turn; we don't know. Our library does not cover dragons at all, so we can spend up to
EDIT: We cannot get Imperial Obscure/Antiquarian/Esoteric without spending College Favour, thanks @DarkLight140 for the citation. I don't think we should spend Favour on dragons until we know if it's our task.
tl;dr:
I think a "just the basics" plan of Skaven (Dwarf Esoteric), Anatomy (Imperial Esoteric),
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We had four other Grey Wizards there, including the Patriarch himself. We do not need more pentesting. @DarkLight140 I have amended my posts. Here are my new recommendations: [] [LIBRARY] Skaven - Dwarf Esoteric, Anatomy - Imperial Esoteric, Dragons - Dwarf Extensive This uses up our stipend...
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- Location
- Before the Ninth Gate
[ ] PROJECT: Aethyric Vitae
[ ] PROJECT: Queekish
Both of these save us AP by virtue of being things we already plan to do.
[ ] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
[ ] PROJECT: Dragon
[ ] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
These are investigations I definitely want to be a part of. The dragon idea has the highest upside, I think.
[ ] PROJECT: Kvinn-Wyr
I'm not really sold on whether we are going to do anything special in the taking of this. Trolls are too dumb for us to manipulate, separated from enemies, and we aren't particularly good at fire. Sure, we can help out a little, but not as a project.
[ ] PROJECT: Defence
So my immediate idea for this is Panoramia making barbed wire equivalents with thorns, which combine well with the grapeshot from Gotri's guns.
[ ] PROJECT: Cartographer
Never really been interested in this.
[ ] PROJECT: Offence
Recruitment drives aren't something we have a comparative advantage with vs. other councilors now that we have access to gyrocopters, and we have worse diplomacy as well. This is not where we can be most helpful.
[ ] PROJECT: Queekish
Both of these save us AP by virtue of being things we already plan to do.
[ ] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
[ ] PROJECT: Dragon
[ ] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
These are investigations I definitely want to be a part of. The dragon idea has the highest upside, I think.
[ ] PROJECT: Kvinn-Wyr
I'm not really sold on whether we are going to do anything special in the taking of this. Trolls are too dumb for us to manipulate, separated from enemies, and we aren't particularly good at fire. Sure, we can help out a little, but not as a project.
[ ] PROJECT: Defence
So my immediate idea for this is Panoramia making barbed wire equivalents with thorns, which combine well with the grapeshot from Gotri's guns.
[ ] PROJECT: Cartographer
Never really been interested in this.
[ ] PROJECT: Offence
Recruitment drives aren't something we have a comparative advantage with vs. other councilors now that we have access to gyrocopters, and we have worse diplomacy as well. This is not where we can be most helpful.
- Location
- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
We really, really don't need this money. Leave it for re-investment and/or if an emergency of some kind comes up.
We were given a year, and we've used it to the utmost and will be able to wildly overdeliver. No sense in continuing at this point.
Both of these are rock-solid projects that will let us make major progress in things we wanted to do anyway.
This is a big one - it's potentially really important, and we can file actions spent learning Queekish under this umbrella as well. In fact, to keep option bloat down, and since we've already made enough progress that dedicating a whole project to Queekish is possibly overkill, I'll advocate for including this over "just" the "translate Queekish" option.
I'm going to very strongly advocate for including this in whatever plan we end up presenting to Belegar. Even if he doesn't select it this turn, knowing that "Mathilde has a crazy Wizard plan for maybe not getting everybody killed fighting a dragon" is valuable information that will inform what orders he gives other people regarding it.
And this falls squarely under our jurisdiction, to the point that Belegar will probably have questions if we don't propose letting us have a crack at it. Because it involves needing to scout out a single peak in detail, I think it makes sense to "replace" Project Cartographer with it on Belegar's voting menu.
I won't be able to argue my case properly for this round of voting, since I'll be in the middle of takeoff at the 12 hour mark, but my preferred plan would look something like:
[ ] Plan Redshirt Example
-[ ] PROJECT: Aethyric Vitae
-[ ] PROJECT: Skaven Politics
-[ ] PROJECT: Dragon
-[ ] PROJECT: Karag Mhonar
Spending 2 College Favor on a de-smoking item is pretty critical in my opinion, and I like the idea of buying the Bright Lord Magister who adapted our spell a toast. For books, I'd like to see a bunch of books on Dragons, Anatomy, and stuff relevant to the Vitae - probably Power Stones, maybe Physics?
Books on Dragons are extra important if we want to put out that bounty on dragonbones.
NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
Hopefully the dragon won't wake up next turn if we do this; we don't know how the dragon is being handled, but if I had to guess it's probably something like the Wisdom Asp, and BoneyM rolls a hidden dice to see if it decides to wake up each turn. And while the odds of it happening next turn specifically are probably pretty low, 'pretty low' isn't zero. So I guess the question is, how likely do we think the dragon is to wake up and cause problems, and how long do we think we can risk holding off on making it priority number one?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Not only would we be able to do go work on a Lexicon and thus put effort towards research or self-improvement, it's quite likely to get picked given we've already made solid progress on it.
- Location
- Around here
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Are these supposed to be different?
Karak Azgaraz isn't really big enough to interact meaningfully with King Belegar, so they'll probably trade the favour on to Karak Norn, which is.
- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
I'm gonna confine myself to arguing about the Library stuff this turn (see my rundown above) and let other people make their cases for other spending, but I want to remind you all about this:
Every purchase plan had better have this! It's only 5gc and it's a gesture of appreciation for someone who did a good turn for us!
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
- Location
- Vermont
I don't think it is, really. Boney has said we can get rid of the smell with a bath, and for scouting, Greenskins don't rely on scent as far as I'm aware, and our scent going from 'human' to 'smoke' is an upgrade when it comes to scouting Skaven. Most people wouldn't become suspicious on smelling smoke, smoke is everywhere.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
- Location
- United States
Favor trade is like that, never know where it's going to end up by the time you to call it in.
Oh right it might not be super horrifying... but figuring out what the heck is going on with the Undumgi post Rune magic.
We are already locked into a magic style personally but we all know how mutable humans are.
We are already locked into a magic style personally but we all know how mutable humans are.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
So I feel it's very unlikely to wake up in the next few turns, but I'm of the opinion we'll need to make it priority one Soon. How soon I couldn't say exactly but dragons are the sort to operate on long time frames I expect the Dragon to continue to be a non-issue until we end up poking it and god damn do we want to make sure we're properly prepared when we do that.
The horror peak can also be left alone. It's not hurting the Rangers so for now it's safe to leave be. Queekish is time sensitive and the earlier we focus on it the better. Skaven politics project is premature, with out being able to properly read or speak queekish correspondence or listen in we can't properly manage it. I agree it's important to know but it's not going to help much if we're not able to actually learn anything of value.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
This, basically.
Smelling like smoke in tunnels that largely have torches for illumination is an asset for infiltrating Skaven territories, because it means you smell like the background aroma instead of smell like human.
Anyway, at least two Skaven Undercities purged, that's a good job of work, and evidently it doesn't get traced back to us, even if it cost us some overall Favor for the op.
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NSMS
Probably evil, unfortunately.
- Location
- A rapidly widening tear in the fabric of reality
On the other hand, 2 favour is cheap, having the option of not smelling like smoke while we're out and about in everyday life is nice, and there are situations in sneaking where being able to remove our accumulated scent is useful.
SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
It's important because we're likely to raid Skyre this coming turn having a way to deal with poison gas is a must.
Alectai
Speaks Words of Wisdom... On occasion
It's not a big deal in Eight Peaks TBH, Mathilde's bathhouse mostly covers it, and the important places are rune-lit instead of torch lit.
- Location
- Canada
Wolf is a lot larger than I thought he was if he's eye to eye with a man sitting down
Granted I've seen wolves in person before and they can be pretty huge, so maybe Mathilde's puppy vision is infecting me
Also the unintentionally intimidating meeting invitation and meeting with a Grey Magister who was honestly just trying to be casually professional and welcoming
Kragg just let us clap him on the shoulder in consolation
...Kragg the Grim, just let us clap him on the shoulder in consolation
A Lung? Huh, I didn't know Warhammer Fantasy had Eastern style dragons
... Quick google search
Flint Glass, it's a thing, characterized by its luster, clarity and high refractive index
Neat
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- Location
- New Brunswick, NJ
- Pronouns
- He/Him/His
OK, but
I'm pretty sure an item of Cleansing Glow, to remove the scent of smoke from our robes, is not going to protect us from poison gas.
It's a misnomer; the flint has nothing to do with it. Flint glass is just called that because high-quality glass in England used to come from flint as a source of pure silica. What it actually is is leaded glass, often called "crystal" or "crystal glass."
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SuperSonicSound
Shadowmancer of the Shadow Cabal
Bugger, I must have got the spells mixed up, can't remember the right one off the top of my head.
*cough*Crown of Sorcery*cough*
- Location
- Around here
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Today... today, we give out the headpats. A grave responsibility.
Loving her enthusiasm.