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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Affinity for Wizards: Despite her lingering phobia, Roswita has proven unusually good at managing Battle Wizards.
Hyper-Focused: Roswita's sole goal is the extermination of necromancers and vampires in Sylvania.
Magic Phobia: Despite knowing better, Roswita has a niggling fear that the presence of a Wizard is an enormous and constant danger.
I'm so happy about this.
 
aimlessPolymath said:
Affinity for Wizards: Despite her lingering phobia, Roswita has proven unusually good at managing Battle Wizards.
Hyper-Focused: Roswita's sole goal is the extermination of necromancers and vampires in Sylvania.
Magic Phobia: Despite knowing better, Roswita has a niggling fear that the presence of a Wizard is an enormous and constant danger.
I'm so happy about this.
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That's not actually a spoiler, fyi; thats from last social turn, not this one
 
Abby Normal said:
Edit: Another point in the favour of inline spoilers: I always fuck up thespoiler box tags D=
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Here is a dumb idea; it seems that a lot of the issue people have with inline spoilers is "I don't know it's coming, and then my eyes try to focus on something and can't, and I get a visual cortex segfault." So, what if at the top of one of the Abby Normal Brand (TM) Diff-Checker Posts, you put a great big bold INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD heading as a content warning, so that catches the eye first and people know to expect some weird visual distortion?

INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD

This is a demonstration of what I'm thinking, as a proof of concept.
People that find inline spoilers frustrating (tagging @SakSak specifically, because their thing seemed especially bad), would this help? Or does having the blur on the screen at all still screw with you in an unpleasant way?
 
aimlessPolymath said:
Affinity for Wizards: Despite her lingering phobia, Roswita has proven unusually good at managing Battle Wizards.
Hyper-Focused: Roswita's sole goal is the extermination of necromancers and vampires in Sylvania.
Magic Phobia: Despite knowing better, Roswita has a niggling fear that the presence of a Wizard is an enormous and constant danger.
I'm so happy about this.
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Those aren't new, they've been like that since at least the last update, probably earlier
 
picklepikkl said:
Here is a dumb idea; it seems that a lot of the issue people have with inline spoilers is "I don't know it's coming, and then my eyes try to focus on something and can't, and I get a visual cortex segfault." So, what if at the top of one of the Abby Normal Brand (TM) Diff-Checker Posts, you put a great big bold INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD heading as a content warning, so that catches the eye first and people know to expect some weird visual distortion?

INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD

This is a demonstration of what I'm thinking, as a proof of concept.
People that find inline spoilers frustrating (tagging @SakSak specifically, because their thing seemed especially bad), would this help? Or does having the blur on the screen at all still screw with you in an unpleasant way?
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Hmm, that might work, especially if i make the warning in red like i do the changed stuff in the actual posts; i'll try it out with the inevitable next sneak peek here; even if theres not more wizard club changes, iirc we're checking up on the fief so i imagine when boney is doing the math for its income/coffers/upgrades he'll be updating the org page
 
picklepikkl said:
Here is a dumb idea; it seems that a lot of the issue people have with inline spoilers is "I don't know it's coming, and then my eyes try to focus on something and can't, and I get a visual cortex segfault." So, what if at the top of one of the Abby Normal Brand (TM) Diff-Checker Posts, you put a great big bold INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD heading as a content warning, so that catches the eye first and people know to expect some weird visual distortion?

INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD

This is a demonstration of what I'm thinking, as a proof of concept.
People that find inline spoilers frustrating (tagging @SakSak specifically, because their thing seemed especially bad), would this help? Or does having the blur on the screen at all still screw with you in an unpleasant way?
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Why not ask Xon if it's possible to add an option to automatically convert inline to normal spoilers? Or just black it out.
 
While it's on topic to discuss how spoilers should be marked in the context of this thread, if the blur spoilers are causing this much unhappiness to this many people, it's absolutely something that should also be brought up in the Suggestions subforum. As far as I could tell the topic hasn't been raised there at all.
 
The main reason I prefer inline spoilers is that spoiler boxes often screw up internal formatting. For example, here:
Abby Normal said:
Here's the full DP Sneak Peek:

Mission and traits are new, herbs got put into a spoiler

+1 Stewardship, +1 Learning, blacksmith used to say 'has learned the fundamentals of reshaping metal'

+1 learning, presumably from mechanic

Edit: Also she just went up +2 martial, so boney is in the middle of updating:
Martial: 15 - Increased accuracy and speed has made Adela a genuine threat on the battlefield.

Edit: Another point in the favour of inline spoilers: I always fuck up thespoiler box tags D=

Edit 2: Wow boney updated the page again while i was typing this stuff XD
Adela now has:
Martial: 15 - Increased accuracy and speed has made Adela a genuine threat on the battlefield.
Was
Martial: 13 - Military training has elevated badness to mere mediocrity.
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The quotes within the boxes can't be expanded, so they're cut off and completely unreadable. Even if I had an issue with the blur, I'd think that a bit of annoyance in reading was better than being outright unable to read it.
 
picklepikkl said:
Here is a dumb idea; it seems that a lot of the issue people have with inline spoilers is "I don't know it's coming, and then my eyes try to focus on something and can't, and I get a visual cortex segfault." So, what if at the top of one of the Abby Normal Brand (TM) Diff-Checker Posts, you put a great big bold INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD heading as a content warning, so that catches the eye first and people know to expect some weird visual distortion?

INLINE SPOILERS AHEAD

This is a demonstration of what I'm thinking, as a proof of concept.
People that find inline spoilers frustrating (tagging @SakSak specifically, because their thing seemed especially bad), would this help? Or does having the blur on the screen at all still screw with you in an unpleasant way?
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The thought is appreciated, and it might be helpful for me. Hard to say offhand.

But anyway, no need to start changing things for me specifically, and @primemountain already made a thread about it to the staff communications forum so they can take a stab at it. Because I think it is a good feature, I'd just prefer a slightly different implementation option (like a fully opaque redaction bar as an alternative you could tick in the personal options).

Anyway, looking forward to what wacky hijinks our fellow mages have gotten to with the Strigoi :)
 
Here there be (Very Very Major) inline spoilers!

(no seriously, this is Big Shit news, not just stat changes, it spoils a major plot point in the upcoming social turn that will be relevant to the council meeting and general situation as well)

BoneyM said:
Diplomatic Relations:
Barak Varr: Eight Peaks has already enriched Barak Varr greatly, both from being the primary trade partner of Eight Peaks and Karak Azul, and from allowing greater trade with the distant East.
Karak Azul: Between opening up the world to them and empowering their beloved King's heir, Karak Azul can be considered the strongest of allies.
Karak Hirn: The current heir was on the Expedition, and earned enough glory on it to clear... whatever murky drama there was surrounding him.
Karak Izor: They were one of the biggest backers of the Expedition and Princess Edda now sits on the council.
Karak Kadrin: The Slayer Hold approves more of King Belegar's deeds than they disapprove of his priorities.
Karaz-a-Karak: Though not formalized in any way, there is a frosty rift between Karaz-a-Karak and Eight Peaks due to the disagreement between their Kings.
Nuln: Saving the life of an Elector Count during a botched attack on a Skaven under-city isn't typically how diplomats operate, but it definitely worked here.
The Empire: Though occupied with internal matters, King Belegar has made a point of showing generosity to those few that did help, and the Emperor seems well-inclined towards Eight Peaks.
Ulrikadrin: Though they tend to be formal, they're aware of how much they owe their current and continued existence to Karak Eight Peaks, and can be counted on for cooperation and mutual defence.
Zhufbar: They're mostly focused on matters closer to home, but Prince Gotri's position of power ensures a good relationship.
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Well that happened.
 
On my end, I generally prefer your usage of spoiler boxes Abby. If it's easier to use ispoiler for you though, hm. ... Actually, given your posting style, it'll be really obvious and easy to know where to click, heh.

Hmm... Although, one benefit of the spoiler box is that... ... it hides just how much information there is. i.e. If you suddenly start ispoilering large quote boxes and stuff, that gives some things away.

Which may or may not be a bonus or a detriment.

Spoiler boxes hide all. Not just the words. But also the amount of them. A more thorough form of concealment. For good and for ill.
 
BurnNote said:
Why not ask Xon if it's possible to add an option to automatically convert inline to normal spoilers? Or just black it out.
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That's a good idea, but I was trying to think of a short-term solution for this thread that did not harm accessibility for people while also allowing Abby the benefits of inline spoilers for their big diffcheck posts.

IMO we should err on the side of accessibility, which is why I've switched to just regular spoilers, but inline has some formatting advantages for larger posts, and if it is possible to gain those advantages without giving people reading this thread literal headaches, it's good to find out.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
The main reason I prefer inline spoilers is that spoiler boxes often screw up internal formatting. For example, here:

The quotes within the boxes can't be expanded, so they're cut off and completely unreadable. Even if I had an issue with the blur, I'd think that a bit of annoyance in reading was better than being outright unable to read it.
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Actually, this sort of thing sometimes happens with quote boxes in general. Sometimes quote boxes just don't work properly. It might happen more often with spoiler boxes, I dunno. On the other hand, that might just be because spoiler boxes sometimes tend to have a ton of quote boxes, in some cases. Or... hm. Might happen more often with quotes in spoilers? Not sure.

Anyway. To fix that, I usually try refreshing my page. =/
 
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Deathbybunnies said:
The main reason I prefer inline spoilers is that spoiler boxes often screw up internal formatting. For example, here:

The quotes within the boxes can't be expanded, so they're cut off and completely unreadable. Even if I had an issue with the blur, I'd think that a bit of annoyance in reading was better than being outright unable to read it.
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Ah, dammit...i'll go through and see if i can fix that in a bit then. Prolly just de-spoiler the internal ones?

SakSak said:
The thought is appreciated, and it might be helpful for me. Hard to say offhand.

But anyway, no need to start changing things for me specifically, and @primemountain already made a thread about it to the staff communications forum so they can take a stab at it. Because I think it is a good feature, I'd just prefer a slightly different implementation option (like a fully opaque redaction bar as an alternative you could tick in the personal options).

Anyway, looking forward to what wacky hijinks our fellow mages have gotten to with the Strigoi :)
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Garlak said:
On my end, I generally prefer your usage of spoiler boxes Abby. If it's easier to use ispoiler for you though, hm. ... Actually, given your posting style, it'll be really obvious and easy to know where to click, heh.

Hmm... Although, one benefit of the spoiler box is that... ... it hides just how much information there is. i.e. If you suddenly start ispoilering large quote boxes and stuff, that gives some things away.

Which may or may not be a bonus or a detriment.

Spoiler boxes hide all. Not just the words. But also the amount of them. A more thorough form of concealment. For good and for ill.
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Well, for now i tried it out on this, so lemme know any feedback for it? I'll keep using spoiler boxes other than this test for today, and if theres any consensus over if the warning is enough to help i'll go back to inline?
Abby Normal said:
Here there be (Very Very Major) inline spoilers!

(no seriously, this is Big Shit news, not just stat changes, it spoils a major plot point in the upcoming social turn that will be relevant to the council meeting and general situation as well)


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Well that happened.
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The glass might not be entirely empty, but that is still a botched attack on a skaven undercity. Hopefully, other three went better.
 
Ah. Hm. More stuff.

Under Kazrik's diplomatic stuff.

Nuln: Saving the life of an Elector Count during a botched attack on a Skaven under-city isn't typically how diplomats operate, but it definitely worked here.

Well, shit. That sucked.
 
Well shit. I hope the fuckup was on the tip of the spear and not on our end with bad or poisoned intel. I really want Qrech's story to end happily, not "And then he was a traitorous fucker like every skaven ever, the end."
 
picklepikkl said:
Well shit. I hope the fuckup was on the tip of the spear and not on our end with bad or poisoned intel. I really want Qrech's story to end happily, not "And then he was a traitorous fucker like every skaven ever, the end."
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Well, it says 'botched attack' rather than an ambush so it probably wasn't on our end.
 
Hey everybody. I have been reading the thread and I have noticed that I am not the only one whom is annoyed with blurtext. With that in mind I started this thread and I would like you guys to support finding alternatives to this problem.


Cheers.

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BurnNote said:
Why not ask Xon if it's possible to add an option to automatically convert inline to normal spoilers? Or just black it out.
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BoneyM said:
While it's on topic to discuss how spoilers should be marked in the context of this thread, if the blur spoilers are causing this much unhappiness to this many people, it's absolutely something that should also be brought up in the Suggestions subforum. As far as I could tell the topic hasn't been raised there at all.
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Ahah I am ninja'd by the thread. But great minds I suppose.
 
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Quest said:
Wel, it says 'botched attack' rather than an ambush so probably wasn't on our end.
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Sure, but it might have been a botched attack because they weren't actually weak and distracted like our intel suggested they were. We don't know yet. I hope that's not the case and that the extremely serious-faced military types just screwed the pooch.
Also what @D.Rockstar said.
 
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