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Isn't the blue tower redundant with the red tower? If it's overcast we just activate the red tower and use it as a light source as if it were night.

the blue tower is to deal with grey overcast, misty rain, and deliberate magic attempts to block the tower via weather. The red tower is for night, magical dark effects along that line. Both have a purpose.

this threadgoes way to fast for phone.
 
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It's to make clouds between us and our target go away, not between us and our light source.
It's for both. The red tower is highly unlikely to be bright enough for a mildly overcast day. It'd probably work when the sky is solid black clouds, but grey or white clouds diffuse the light a lot more than they outright block it.
 
Something I want to point out from the updated Dramatis Pesonae sheet.

Dreng, Marshal of Karak Eight Peaks

> His name is one letter from meaning 'Slayer'. He's impulsive, hot-tempered, and uncouth. But he has a century of experience across the entire Old World, and his tactical acumen is formidable.
< You kill a lot of Grobi and Thaggoraki. He approves.

Martial: 15

Johann, Magister of the Gold Order

Martial: 15 - There might be a point in the future where you'll regret not stopping this here and now.

I hope that gives a good standard for comparison on Johann's Martial.
 
We're in the mountains. There's good odds the overcast sky will be between us and our target, shielding them from the shadow.
It's to make clouds between us and our target go away, not between us and our light source.
Karag Nar isn't tall enough to be consistently above the cloud line, as evidenced by the fact that it is below the snow line (thanks @Alratan for pointing this out). Besides, the fires of hell should probably be able to burn through clouds, but we need to be able to cast a shadow in the first place.
I hope that gives a good standard for comparison on Johann's Martial.
...thank you, I had not made that comparison, and that's kind of worrying.
 
Something I want to point out from the updated Dramatis Pesonae sheet.

I hope that gives a good standard for comparison on Johann's Martial.

That may something bad about Dreng rather than good about Johann. Note this:

Hubert Denzel, Journeyman of the Celestial Order​
Armament: Sword and lightning​
Speciality: ???​
Mission: Glory​
Martial: 17 - Eager for battle and skilled with a blade.​
Learning: 14 - He's not dumb, but he has no affinity for book learning.​
Magic: 3 - Hubert has yet to fully embrace the gift of magic.​
and this:
Gretel Maurer, Journeywoman of the Amethyst Order​
Armament: Summoned scythe​
Speciality: ???​
Mission: Wealth​
Martial: 16 - Her talents in combat have begun to blossom.​
Intrigue: 20 - She's small, thin, and quiet. It's not easy to look past those explanations to the genuine skill underneath.​
Learning: 17 - She's whip-smart and very well read in the Lores of Shyish and Morr.​
Magic: 3 - She has superb control, but not a lot of power.​

Dreng has worse Martial than two Journeyman probably less than 20% his age.
 
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...thank you, I had not made that comparison, and that's kind of worrying.
That may something bad about Dreng rather than good about Johann. Note this:

Hubert Denzel, Journeyman of the Celestial Order​
Armament: Sword and lightning​
Speciality: ???​
Mission: Glory​
Martial: 17 - Eager for battle and skilled with a blade.​
Learning: 14 - He's not dumb, but he has no affinity for book learning.​
Magic: 3 - Hubert has yet to fully embrace the gift of magic.​
and this:
Gretel Maurer, Journeywoman of the Amethyst Order​
Armament: Summoned scythe​
Speciality: ???​
Mission: Wealth​
Martial: 16 - Her talents in combat have begun to blossom.​
Intrigue: 20 - She's small, thin, and quiet. It's not easy to look past those explanations to the genuine skill underneath.​
Learning: 17 - She's whip-smart and very well read in the Lores of Shyish and Morr.​
Magic: 3 - She has superb control, but not a lot of power.​

Dreng has worse martial than two Journeyman probably less than 20% his age.
Traits are also important. It's not like Dreng has done badly thus far, so he's got something going for him.

Like, he might lose to them in an actual fight, but they don't exactly have command skills.
 
Has anyone else looked at Roswitta and realized that she is a picture perfect Elwctor Count except for wizard phobia
Many people would consider wizard phobia a good thing making her an even better elector count. But yah, she is a pretty good elector count. She has a hang up about "Eastern Stirland" and doesn't like to host balls but other than that she is pretty ideal for the nobles.
 
Hubert might actually have been groomed for command by his family before his magic manifested.
Regardless, I doubt Hubert is a better commander than he is given that Dreng has both existed on screen longer with more time to generate traits and a longer history with which to have better initial traits.

Its not like, barring the "the elevator is on fire" crit fail, he's done badly.


..thank you, I had not made that comparison, and that's kind of worrying.
I'm supremely not worried, given that he's been fine up to this point and we were given no reason to worry before we knew about it. Its not like anything has physically changed about him, we just know more. What he's achieved consistently is the more important part imo.

Its interesting running a comparison by Edda who has 20 Stewardship, and then looking at her traits and the narrative and seeing "Ah yeah, that matters very little with her traits as they are" because it shows how traits hold primacy over raw stats.
 
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According to Panoramia, K8P suffers from low water availability. That suggests low precipitation. As does the Caldera not being a lake. Combine that with peaks where one can live in a penthouse and still visit the rest of the hold on foot on a daily basis and the fact that the Worlds Edge mountains are the source of major rivers flowing west.

That all suggests to me that the K8P complex is lower than the peaks to the west of it and is in their rain shadow. Of course it's more complex than that - Karagil gets enough precipitation to sustain the silver tarn (unless that relies on ancient magic / engineering) for instance - the complex covers a very large area and different parts will have their own microclimates. The Caldera might get both more direct rain than the East Valley and more runoff from the Karags - unfortunately we aren't in a position to farm it.

Then there's groundwater. Even with relatively low annual precipitation, hundreds of thousands of years shaped like a big funnel could have filled a substantial aquifer - just because there's no caldera lake at the surface doesn't mean water hasn't been collecting. Indeed we know that the K8P of old used it, until the Skaven poisoned it.

When the hold was at its fullest, the Caldera, the East Valley, the slopes, Death Pass, and any usable land in the surrounding region would all have been under cultivation. Cities have hinterlands.
 
I'm supremely not worried, given that he's been fine up to this point and we were given no reason to worry before we knew about it. Its not like anything has physically changed about him, we just know more.

Its interesting running a comparison by Edda who has 20 Stewardship, and then looking at her traits and the narrative and seeing "Ah yeah, that matters very little with her traits as they are" because it shows how traits hold primacy over raw stats.

Well, yes and no. Both Traits and Skills make up a substantial contribution to stats. The higher stats, the much more likely a person is to have positive traits and high skills levels.
 
She is an economical nightmare, is what she is.
People said that a lot when we first talked to Wilhelmina after the expedition, but I don't agree. She leased or sold off long-term revenue-generating assets for short-term cash-in-hand because she was desperately trying to keep a lid on a Sylvanian situation that we found out later was much worse than we expected, and she didn't have the ability to print money in order to pay her troops.

Hopefully what we did gets things under control, she gets her taxation rights back and can afford to keeps them, and she can stop bleeding money.
 
People said that a lot when we first talked to Wilhelmina after the expedition, but I don't agree. She leased or sold off long-term revenue-generating assets for short-term cash-in-hand because she was desperately trying to keep a lid on a Sylvanian situation that we found out later was much worse than we expected, and she didn't have the ability to print money in order to pay her troops.

Hopefully what we did gets things under control, she gets her taxation rights back and can afford to keeps them, and she can stop bleeding money.
For that matter, i dont think we ever even had confirmation that selling the tax rights was something roswita directly ordered, or just the result of having hired (or been 'convinced' to hire, given precedent...) an excise man as steward and telling him to 'do what he has to to get the tax situation settled and slow the treasury bleedout', with the 2-year tax right sales being his solution
 
She is an economical nightmare, is what she is.
Abelhelm's Stewardship was 4. Her's is 10. She's fine.

Like, the absolute worst thing she's done is let the EIC basically run Western Stirland, which is noticeably underdeveloped economically, and mostly under the direct control of the Elector Count. As long as the EIC acts in the interest of Stirland, it's no problem at all, and we've turned the EIC into Patriots.

She's basically letting Wilhelmina do all the work of increasing the development of Western Stirland, and Wilhelmina responded by ensuring that Stirland would become the Empire's new trade-hub.
 
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I have now found the time to read through the sidestories as well (I beliefe they are canon while the apocrypha are not) and still have not found how Dame Weber obtained the titels of The Dämmerlichtreiter and Sängerkritisch. They kind of appeared after taking down the trader leage and for the second I am uncomfortable to put it time-wise there at all. Can someone point me to their origin or explain please?
 
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I have now found the time to read through the sidestories as well (I beliefe they are canon while the apocrypha are not) and still have not found how Dame Weber obtained the titels of The Dämmerlichtreiter and Sängerkritisch. They kind of appeared after taking down the trader leage and for the second I am uncomfortable to put it time-wise there at all. Can someone point me to their origin or explain please?
The first was for riding so fast she wrapped up the entire Stirlandian League in one day. The second means "Singing Critic" for killing the Singing King (a Strigoi that yelled constantly while he fought) during the purge of the Haunted Hills.
 
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I have now found the time to read through the sidestories as well (I beliefe they are canon while the apocrypha are not) and still have not found how Dame Weber obtained the titels of The Dämmerlichtreiter and Sängerkritisch. They kind of appeared after taking down the trader leage and for the second I am uncomfortable to put it time-wise there at all. Can someone point me to their origin or explain please?
Dämmerlichtreiter came from Jack, if I remember right - he revealed that we were thought of among the people as this terrifying protective dusk-creature riding a shadow-horse.

Sängerkritisch came about when we beat the Singing King.

Edit: Grey Wizard'd
 
Well, yes and no. Both Traits and Skills make up a substantial contribution to stats. The higher stats, the much more likely a person is to have positive traits and high skills levels.
To a point. The single highest bonuses of our Martial benefits however are situational and are not added to the final stat, which is important to note because we are talking about Martial in particular.

The planning and command things garnered by experience and education:
Strategy: You know the basics of planning and executing a military campaign. +1 Martial
Strategy - Skaven: You know the strategies of the ratmen. +5 to command and planning rolls while fighting or leading Skaven armies.
Strategy - Undead: You know the strategies of the living dead. +5 to command and planning rolls while fighting or leading Undead armies.
Tactics - Skaven: You know the tactics of the ratmen. +5 to command and reading the battlefield while fighting or leading Skaven units.
Tactics - Undead: You know the tactics of the living dead. +5 to command and reading the battlefield while fighting or leading Undead units.

And the style:
Master Swordswoman: You have blended sword techniques from the Empire and the Karaz Ankor into a style entirely your own. +10 martial when fighting against enraged or unthinking opponents, or when holding a physical choke-point such as a doorway or tunnel.

So I fully expect that Dreng has perfectly reasonable bonuses we simply haven't seen yet.

I'm also just generally weary and wary of reasoning that leads to "Are we sure they're competent?" in any respect. Because by all counts we've been fine, and the consequences of "Are we sure?" is "We should do it for them" as shown by how frequently it once came up that the thread wanted to do other people's jobs before they got characterization and deeds to their name and the zeitgeist realized "Wait, they can do their jobs". Which is completely untenable, we don't have the time.

Its sort of the reverse of the thing I was mentioning to picklepikkl about "We have new information on a character, which that character has had for some time and they haven't changed" but instead is "We have only incomplete information on a character, and do not know what they have in full detail." Making changes to an approach to a character because of the revelation of the stats that let them do everything we've seen them do in the past makes no sense. Making assumptions on their capability when we have incomplete information and indications of competence also makes no sense.
 
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I have now found the time to read through the sidestories as well (I beliefe they are canon while the apocrypha are not) and still have not found how Dame Weber obtained the titels of The Dämmerlichtreiter and Sängerkritisch. They kind of appeared after taking down the trader leage and for the second I am uncomfortable to put it time-wise there at all. Can someone point me to their origin or explain please?

While I don't know when we got the former, I can point you towards when we got the latter.
[Title gained: Sängerkritisch]

Edit: Found the former as well.
"The Dämmerlichtreiter," the man breathes.

You blink in surprise at him. "The what now?" You had been prepared for all sorts of reactions, but not calling you that.

He stares, wild-eyed, pointing accusingly. "You! The Rider of Dusk! The woman who rides the coming of night across Stirland, bringing ruin to the enemies of the Hunter-Count!"

You stare back, and a delighted smile spreads across your face. "I mean... gosh. I hadn't realized people had been noticing. The Rider of Dusk? That's... wow." You bask for a moment, but duty calls. "Anyway. Not why I'm here."
 
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I have now found the time to read through the sidestories as well (I beliefe they are canon while the apocrypha are not) and still have not found how Dame Weber obtained the titels of The Dämmerlichtreiter and Sängerkritisch. They kind of appeared after taking down the trader leage and for the second I am uncomfortable to put it time-wise there at all. Can someone point me to their origin or explain please?

Dämmerlichtreiter was for riding our shadow horse during the raking if the leauge assets and Sängerkritisch was due both Mathilde and Kasmir criting while casting against the vampire, melting him instantly.

Edit: Mathilde'd
 
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