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Well sorry some us of quit rightfully find it unsettling when it comes to direct parentage, especially after lost the first crush and all of the feelinbg of 'replacement goldfish' that comes with it.
It's been years in game, if it had been something that happened when she showed up first you might have something of a point.

And I'm going to be honest your use of the term rightfully as though your subjective opinion is objectively correct really doesn't make me anymore likely to agree with you.
 
By cross referencing it with other anatomy books that we have plus the fact that the book isn't encrypted?

Max is even better than Mathilde in translating the book.

Sure, now what will you do when the pet Skaven asks how do you pronounce that word? Or how does the grammar work? Or what kind of etymology is it coming from? What are the different meanings of that same word? What are the forms of speech used when speaking to a superior, a subordinate, an enemy? What is considered polite or insulting?

Cross-referencing is good to identify the meaning of an ensemble of letters in a given document, nothing more nothing less, if you think you can deduce an entire language from that in less than decades of work or even achieve the most basic of competency in it, you are hilariously underestimating the complexity of linguistics. Anyone with two neurons would realize you aren't learning the language from a live person easily. Having spent years studying the subject, I almost find this insulting. This isn't some kind of light work or child's play, languages are complex constructs that have ontological and societal ramifications and I can't think of any kind of magic in WH that could serve as a shortcut to achieving what you are hoping for.
 
Comparative analysis of contents with other anatomy books. Its how people do it IRL for historical texts in lost languages
By cross referencing it with other anatomy books that we have plus the fact that the book isn't encrypted?

Max is even better than Mathilde in translating the book.
Fair point, though I doubt it'd be that easy. I think it'd be worth spending college favor on this. A wizard specializing in languages (especially considering spell masteries) could get more out of it than us or max could and an interested magister is only 5 favor.
 
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It's been years in game, if it had been something that happened when she showed up first you might have something of a point.

And I'm going to be honest your use of the term rightfully as though your subjective opinion is objectively correct really doesn't make me anymore likely to agree with you.
Emotional wounds can take a along time to heal and yes I do think it's rightful to be concerned with the underpinnings of 'I had crush on your father and he's dead but I'd like too get together with you' I'm not going to condemn you for not being that way but I'm certainly not going to say anyone sharing the concern is unfounded and I highly doubt that most people would feel comfortable getting together with someone that had a thing with their parents.

Edit: My apologies if I have let my temper get the better of me and I have done you wrong but I cannot possibly see a relationship with a dead crushes child ended well, someone you love dying, the nature of Roswitta being directly related to someone Math loved, and the natural complex feelings of a relationship just don't feel like it could possibly end well, its not just the sort of grounding I could see for any sort of healthy relationship.
 
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This basically. You should only be feeling boredom when in a state where you are capable of learning. Long periods of low mental activity don't count, anymore than people get bored while asleep.
The Dragon Ogres we witnessed recently appear to be at least semi-active,if not at full power.
And while the WH Dragons are sleeping most of the time, there are other settings where Dragons can be awake much of their time and still be contend to spend the time on their hoard, with no social contacts and little other stimuli.

WhatI wanted to say is that you shouldn't automatically assume every sapient being in a fantasy world to be capable of boredom, better test it like Mathilde.
 
eating increasingly improbable things or from the deeps
remove "or" (Really enjoying the diary series, by the way.)
Honestly none of the current Romance options do anything for me, the only one I could honestly get behind would be Roswita after a long period of getting past the barriers she puts up because of the whole wizard thing.
I concur that nobody we know well at the moment does it for me, which is part of why I'd like to get to know some of the other characters in K8P, whose names we know but precious else.
The only established character I see any chemistry and likely happy future with is Anton. I've been voting to get to know more of the characters, but of those we have seen so far none really fit into the romance slot for me. Least of all Roswita, whom I see nothing more than an emotionally distant relationship with, before even getting into the complicated feeling both have for Roswita's father.
Some of us voted to marry for love in the hopes that we would develop chemistry with him
The very fact you say that acknowledges that there was a notable lack of chemistry with Anton
I don't know about you, but the idea of getting with someone you don't have chemistry with in the hopes that chemistry will manifest is not a sound endeavor
I really would be on board, the moment he expressed interest. Like, if he hits on us at all, I'm there, but until I see something on going to hesitate for the same reasons I voted against Anton.
@ you three:
I think this is the wrong approach. As an artifact of the quest, I don't think BoneyM is likely to ever write the sort of blooming chemistry / beginning of romance that one would expect from naturally getting to know a character. From an OOC perspective, BoneyM presenting us with someone Mathilde is interested in has two likely outcomes: 1) Lots of salt from readers hoping for someone else. 2) That character winning the romance options by default, since people want to vote "in character".

This was less of an issue in the beginning of the quest, when BoneyM was still establishing Mathilde as a character. Even then, Abelheim/Mathilde would never have taken it further from either of the characters without the explicit approval of the voter base.

Normally I'm all for voting in character. The romance option is one exception, where the result will retroactively make it so that two characters would fit together romantically. I could see BoneyM trying to get out of this issue by starting to include very tentative hints at possible romance as a result the thread constantly talking about romance, but I doubt that we will ever see definite unambiguous chemistry between anyone and Mathilde in that way.
Wizard Lord 300-800 gc/year
On the one hand, this could be useful. On the other, people keep proposing purchase plans that would eat through any amount of money, no matter how large.
I don't see the purpose of making a post like this, and I say that as someone not voting for Roswita this turn. "I think you guys should vote for this thing, and here is why" is a productive comment. "I think you guys shouldn't vote for this thing, and here is why" is a productive comment. "I am glad that this option is losing because I hate it" feels like the sort of thing that can have no effect except to make the people who like that option and are unhappy it's losing more unhappy, and why would we want our fellow questers to be unhappy? There's no need to rub it in.
Meh, I think it's fine to be happy the votes you like win, or that the votes you find boring lose. Not every post has to be an argument for or against something, some just want to express their feelings. If you are worried about toxicity, I find posts calling out others for not expressing their feelings in the proper manner more toxic. It's not even like that was a new sentiment expressed here.
Perpetuals can't muster the kind of power, if its something a Perpetual could use then Magisters would have been independently reinventing it constantly.

Its more likely a role suited to Greys, people who have proven themselves trustworthy and skilled at magic but incapable of leaving the College anymore.
I'm fairly certain mostly depends on which "branch" of the Grey college you work in and how trustworthy you are. If you are an internal spymaster like Mathilde's Mentor, you get more access to spymaster spells. If you leave the Empire like Mathilde, you won't. I also doubt that Magisters would keep reinventing those spells. You would need to have specific traits gained from working in that field to invent them. I'd expect most Grey Magisters working as a secret police and focusing on the mind affecting aspects of Ulgu would also be those who get the spells in the first place.

There might be one or two Magisters who invent a similar spell independently, but I don't think it would ever be enough to become a major issue.
 
The results of overuse are unpredictable but universally bad to the sanity. It's an open question whether it's Ulgu side-effects or a result of the brain being locked in place for extended periods.
@BoneyM not sure how relevant this really is but it's certainly interesting.
www.newscientist.com

Completely paralysed people use thoughts to say they are happy

Many assume that people “locked-in” by ALS have a low quality of life, but a non-invasive device that can read “yes” and “no” thoughts has found the opposite

I would like to point out that Roswita is far more likely to legally own a herd of goats than Johann, making her the clearly superior choice.
But is Johann more likely to illegally own a herd of goats than Roswita? Because if so then it's plainly obvious who's the worthier romantic interest.
 
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Least of all Roswita, whom I see nothing more than an emotionally distant relationship with, before even getting into the complicated feeling both have for Roswita's father.
I would find it amusing and sweet if Mathilde essentially became a parental figure to Roswita. She deals with problems too big for Roswita to handle, gives her sage advice on what she suppose to do, and had a close relationship to her actual father. It also helps that while Roswita looks up to Abelhelm, I do believe that he was rarely there for her and the closest actual parental figure she would have is the witch hunter.

I hope we hold off on the 'choose a date' option for a few more social turns.
Hear hear. While I'm all for romance, I rather have it come naturally. At least in my eyes at the moment, the best candidate would be Johann considering their shared interests and how well they bounce each other. Though currently, their relationship is more like treasure hunting buddies than anything romantic though. Aside from that though, can't really see anyone that Mathilde would have feelings for at the moment.

But is Johann more likely to illegally own a herd of goats than Roswita? Because if so then it's plainly obvious who's the worthier romantic interest.
Don't forget that Johann just got five good shepherding dogs. Someone can manage a large herd with that amount of dogs at your beck and call, something that man-with-larger-herd would wholeheartedly agree.
 
Hear hear. While I'm all for romance, I rather have it come naturally. At least in my eyes at the moment, the best candidate would be Johann considering their shared interests and how well they bounce each other. Though currently, their relationship is more like treasure hunting buddies than anything romantic though. Aside from that though, can't really see anyone that Mathilde would have feelings for at the moment.
I was ok with it but I will admit it's been dragging on me.

Beyond that? I think I pull for Jonann personally, him being a magister as well actually makes me feel more like the two are equals while all of our other fellow mages are bellow us in rank enough that I am very wary of the potential power dynamic.
 
The only established character I see any chemistry and likely happy future with is Anton. I've been voting to get to know more of the characters, but of those we have seen so far none really fit into the romance slot for me. Least of all Roswita, whom I see nothing more than an emotionally distant relationship with, before even getting into the complicated feeling both have for Roswita's father.
Honestly I find the prospect of a romantic relationship with Anton creepier than one with Roswita since he seems like a little sister.
And I don't see how having a sort of distant relationship with Roswita now means anything about the future, and it's far less distant than it was just a turn or two ago I see her and Mathilde almost on the verge of being friends right now.

I'm also into relationships that need a certain amount of work and between people who contrast so the two of them are interesting.


People against going for Roswita seem to keep bring up her father, which doesn't really factor into it for me, she's her own person and I honestly find who her father was to be the least interesting part of her character.
 
Beyond that? I think I pull for Jonann personally, him being a magister as well actually makes me feel more like the two are equals while all of our other fellow mages are bellow us in rank enough that I am very wary of the potential power dynamic.
I do feel the same way regarding that. With Max and Panoramia, Mathilde interacts with them like a senior or upperclassman. While with the ducklings, she acts like a parent or a teacher. Both cases have Mathilde treating them as juniors, then an equal. The closest person she treats as an actual equal who is not a leader nor a dwarf is Johann, which does makes sense. He is probably the only other stationed mage that has an equal or even longer experience as a Magister than Mathilde. This of course resulted in Mathilde dragging Johann to adventures considering he has the desire and experience to join in. Hmmm, if this trend continues, I can see Johann becoming a close friend to Mathilde and has the potential to be the few people that actually realize how much of a dork Mathilde is, much to Mathilde annoyance.
 
Here's a thought: use the Deciever to claim that the Empire already has an accurate translation for Queekish, and that our problem is that we aren't allowed to see it. Ask for a translation, saying we want to read this interesting book about Chaos Dwarves and that we wouldn't be able to share it anyway without very uncomfortable questions being asked, and maybe we're slightly interested in hearing more about this Horned Rat. Promise to mindhole and dump him in the middle of nowhere when we're done.

He'll be in a position where he believes teaching us Queekish isn't a betrayal of the Skaven as a whole, and that his survival depends on cooperating. The only failure state I can see is literally Grey College levels of paranoia and not believing a perfect lie, which seems unlikely.
 
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Sure, now what will you do when the pet Skaven asks how do you pronounce that word? Or how does the grammar work? Or what kind of etymology is it coming from? What are the different meanings of that same word? What are the forms of speech used when speaking to a superior, a subordinate, an enemy? What is considered polite or insulting?

Cross-referencing is good to identify the meaning of an ensemble of letters in a given document, nothing more nothing less, if you think you can deduce an entire language from that in less than decades of work or even achieve the most basic of competency in it, you are hilariously underestimating the complexity of linguistics. Anyone with two neurons would realize you aren't learning the language from a live person easily. Having spent years studying the subject, I almost find this insulting. This isn't some kind of light work or child's play, languages are complex constructs that have ontological and societal ramifications and I can't think of any kind of magic in WH that could serve as a shortcut to achieving what you are hoping for.

Why would Mathilde ask Qrech how to pronounce stuff and betray her lack of understanding when the point was to drop hints of her knowledge to make him think that she knows far more than she is telling? The assumption is that Mathilde would approach Queekish in a circuitous manner.

As for your second point:
(A) Max has the Law of Logic, so he does have magic to help him even without taking into consideration his Patient trait interplay with his Chamon nature.
(B) I would argue that Max as a Warhammer Wizard is far better at studying than a real world scholar. Mallus humans are not real earth humans, even without the conceit of this being a quest.
 
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Here's a thought: use the Deciever to claim that the Empire already has an accurate translation for Queekish, and that our problem is that we aren't allowed to see it. Ask for a translation, saying we want to read this interesting book about Chaos Dwarves and that we wouldn't be able to share it anyway without very uncomfortable questions being asked, and maybe we're slightly interested in hearing more aboit this Horned Rat. Promise to mindhole and dump him in the middle of nowhere when we're done.

He'll be in a position where he believes teaching us Queekish isn't a betrayal of the Skaven as a whole, and that his survival depends on cooperating. The only failure state I can see is literally Grey College levels of paranoia and not believing a perfect lie, which seems unlikely.
The Deceiver: Lies you have developed beforehand will be delivered perfectly. The listener may believe you to be mistaken, but they will never believe that you are lying. Cannot be used to tell truths.
The issue I see with most plans to use The Deceiver is that it does not make the target believe us, it makes the target think we think we are telling the truth. If the skaven firmly believes that The Empire does not have a translation he will simply think we have been tricked into thinking they do.
 
Hm. You think it would be a security risk if we decided to commission some wooden figures to play tabletop strategy games with Qrech? Military strategy seems to be his major area of interest, and Mathilde seems to think it fun and educational as well.

Also, playing Warhammer in the Warhammer world always tickles my fancy.
 
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Oh wow, 5th (Edda) and 6th place (Roswitta) are literally one vote apart at the 24-hour mark, and if Interacting with Edda loses due to any last-minute vote changes it means since it means the thread has just narrowly rejected interacting with any of the councilors for the second turn in a row. I strongly recommend that people who want to interact with a member of the Council try to rally support behind the most likely member to win the social vote, because recent voting patterns make it clear that it's very hard for an interact with Council social to pass even with optimal conditions (it makes narrative sense, the particular option is unique to the turn, we are directly spending half AP to help the Councillor this turn, etc), and that the thread likely has the appetite to interact with no more than one councilor per turn. Please don't let perfect be the enemy of the good.
Adhoc vote count started by REAPER35 on Nov 7, 2019 at 5:17 AM, finished with 955 posts and 245 votes.
 
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it does not make the target believe us, it makes the target think we think we are telling the truth.
I really, really don't get this argument. It's like the Fate meme that goes "People die when they are killed". In what possible situation would someone think you are telling the truth, yet not believe you? That's literally impossible.

EDIT: I suppose in this case I should say "People believe you if they think you are telling the truth."
 
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The issue I see with most plans to use The Deceiver is that it does not make the target believe us, it makes the target think we think we are telling the truth. If the skaven firmly believes that The Empire does not have a translation he will simply think we have been tricked into thinking they do.
...No, in this case the much more likely assumption to make is that we have access to information he doesn't, since we're a Grey Magister and he's an enemy agent. The failure state you describe is for lies so outrageous and "obviously" untrue that our being mistaken is more likely, which this is not.
 
An excerpt from the journal of Soizic d'Karak, Questing Knight-
I find these very well written and enjoyable, kudos.
Even though I know this is your take, and Boneys wouldn't necessarily be the same, it still makes me wish circumstances had led us to have more contact with Soizic, Dismounted Questing Knight.

(Won't it be fun for poor Soizic to see two more of these Empire wizards- rough ones dressed in skins- obtain monstrous Demigryph mounts.) :)
 
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I really, really don't get this argument. It's like the Fate meme that goes "People die when they are killed". In what possible situation would someone think you are telling the truth, yet not believe you? That's literally impossible.

"The sky is green."

Okay, i believe that you think you are telling the truth, but i can easily confirm that you are wrong. Are you insane, or is something wrong with your eyes?
 
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