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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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- Fantasy Users' Choice!
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- warhammer warhammer fantasy fantasy be gay do crimes (gay) female protagonist pansexual protagonist ck2 quest divided loyalties mountain vietnam ranald is real this is a dwarf quest (dwarfs) this is maybe an elf quest this is not a vampire quest this is not an empire quest try it and find out open voting
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[X] MATHILDE: Infiltrate Karagril early, and rampage through enemy lines once battle begins.
[X] DUCKLINGS: Kept together and going into Karagril with the Dwarves.
[X] MAX: Firing from a gyrocopter.
[X] JOHANN: Joining the siege weapon teams.
[X] Leave it untouched.
[X] DUCKLINGS: Kept together and going into Karagril with the Dwarves.
[X] MAX: Firing from a gyrocopter.
[X] JOHANN: Joining the siege weapon teams.
[X] Leave it untouched.
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I prefer Metal Gear Mathilde...
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- his hidden lair
Fair enough, but at the end of the day we're just conjecturing at each other and hoping it makes sense. Furthermore- I don't think it's necessarily the same case with these examples considering most of them were Wizards. And that mean less 'two magical workings are on me at the same time' and more 'I dumped a bunch thorium in my uranium reactor, it acted up a little'.
While I'm not expecting a reply because at this time I can't really add any more to this debate- any chance you would consider formatting future posts with less empty lines? It almost looks like your spaghetti posting with no quotes involved and it makes the content harder to digest.
And that's fair. I don't necessarily disagree with any of that I just want to make sure we come into this thinking 'this would be a neat scene' rather than 'this is my ship and I'm steering as hard as I can for it for the sake of my gratification'. Because even when that does lead to a decent romance plot it also tends to have said ship sail on some rather salty seas if you catch my drift
Anton also is under a lot of social pressure to get married. From his perspective he has to. That's why if he's looking for love he has to be active in pursuing it or he'll never achieve it. The only pressures Mathilde is under are largely ones of her own making. That's not to say there shouldn't be any impetus or active search for a companion, but we can afford for it to be more organic than the thread actively trying to point her in any one direction. It's not about being active or passive participant in the pursuit of romance- it's about romance's role in the story being an outgrowth of the characters involved and the contexts in which they exist and in turn building all that up and exploring it. There's been some factors absolutely but the sheer fact we haven't seen it brought up since Anton or peeked its way into the social turns/personal actions yet implies any ideas on romance are still being milled in the back of Mathilde's head. And so I fight to keep romance in the back of our motivations until it's seemingly time for otherwise.
I'm not saying we should relish being a hermit or deliberately keep all of our relationships platonic or something- I'm just saying vote to hang out with the people you think are neat, and if Mathilde and/or said neat person is interested we can go from there.
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Yes, but we're voting on what happens during those next three updates now, or atleast how they start off.
I'm sorry but that is overdone as shit. Literally the entire expedition to retake 8P we were MGing it up, we did it for the Vampire, hell we just did it to the now former Silver Tooth Warboss.
I hate to say this about a quest I adore, but the constant leadership assassinations every single time it comes up, isn't fun to read anymore. Its repetitive, it's expected, and worst of all It's boring.
That's all I'm saying on the matter since I need to go to bed for work, respond if you want, but don't expect any replies until 22ish hours from now.
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Eh, I'm not so sure; we get +10s in narrow spaces and against enraged/mindless enemies. Against Orcs, we can't count out the possibility of the former, and I'd argue they're pretty mindless if they're fleeing in terror.
Mathilde is actually pretty good at causing routs and mass casualties because making the enemy scared enough to run comes pretty easily with her Dread Aspect. I mean, look at it from the TT perspective as an example- Mathilde's stubborn* so her leadership can never be changed by losing combat, she inflicts fear and terror and she's liable to kill any mooks she hits. Something like 4 attacks if we factor in the Revolver and d3 d6 strength hits means she's going to be killing a few. And only like ~5 of her enemies are actually going to be able go after her at once.
[X] MATHILDE: Infiltrate Karagril early, and rampage through enemy lines once battle begins.
[X] Leave it untouched.
Because 'sudden shadow monster comes out of nowhere and starts eating all the doodz' is hilarious, viable, and to liable to lead to far more shenanigans than merely headhunting bosses. Just look at that one skaven occupied watch tower we waltzed into and tell me you don't want to see orcs fighting each other to get to Mathilde or to run away on a case by case basis?
*God, having a wizard that can give a unit stubbornness? Mathilde might actually be really useful just being in the thick of the melee if Boney is taking that trait to it's logical conclusions. And that would make sense given how the Drakenhof campaign only really continued due to Mathilde driving it onward.
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BoneyM says that greenskins by default count, same as beastmen.
We can assume that Belegar means what he said. Humans are more expendable than dwarves, but not utterly expendable like Skaven or Greenskins use.
Part of the problem of dwarf forces is that they have momentum but tend to be poor at shock. You want human mercenaries marching through the tunnels to get as much out of each push as they can then if they meet stiffer opposition the dwarves behind them would catch up and take over the press to push through.
Not really? Its really cool but it doesn't really add much for its cost.
There is a very small number of Grey Magisters, all engaged in important things.
You'd need a pretty big argument that your one Magisterial problem is All Hands On Deck rather than the half dozen Magisterial problems they're already dealing with.
Also for the matter we didn't need Gambler either back then RIGHT until the big ritual. And we walked right through the whole Mors territory twice without Night Prowler either. We even did an assassination along the way for fun.
Saving it for next turn actions makes more sense, but there isn't really much of those
They actually have better combat skills than Johann. Like, Johann is better solely by dint of being nigh unkillable. They're in the midst of a dwarf warparty who'd cover for them on anything that isn't instantly lethal.
They're as fine as it can get while still being useful in battle.
I feel the biggest problem with Protector is that we've never seen it in action. We've had similar arguments over Deciever before we saw it in action. Its all arguing from ungrounded suppositions.
Because when we're assassinating something worth significant Favor, the argument is that its too risky, as its a hard fight while isolated, so we should use Night Prowler or Gambler.
Because when we're assassinating something that's not a clear and present threat to people, it doesn't count for Protector, they have to be at the least an active oppressor. So if its not difficult enough it likely wouldn't count.
Because when we're fighting a battle, the argument is that Gambler is important because lives are at stake.
Because when we're scouting its too indirect to count for Protector.
This here is literally as easy as we're likely to find a battle, unprepared orcs, no significant enemy casters, open field portion completely covered by dwarf artillery, large numbers of people we're protecting by assassinating bosses right before their attack.
If Protector is not appropriate here, its simply never appropriate.
This is a misconception on spaghetti posting(an important one, I'd be banned like ten times over on points alone if it worked like you think it does).
Spaghetti posting refers to deliberately breaking up an argument into incoherent segments by selective quoting which you can then defeat or ridicule in detail. Its something that mostly happens in the political debates, its more rarely doable in quests. As long as each quote is one or more distinct points you are responding to, you are fine.
Really it should be called pasta posting, any Spaghetti chopped up like that is an abomination!
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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It also gets into the larger point that Dwarf society as a whole could really use an ablative layer of manlings between them and the gribblies. In order to not die out and all that.
Really, if we can only get the Karaz Ankor as a whole to take one lesson away from everything that's happened in the 8 Peaks, it should be that.
As far as our own running away enhancement magic goes, Pall of Darkness cast just behind us is a good choice. Most people won't run into a zone of impenetrable blackness and those that do still can't see where we've gone and can run into walls and so on. Moderately complex so we need 2 more levels of enchantment to make a ring of it so we don't have to cast on the run.
Also moderately complex is Burning Shadows. If Johann, Max or an engineer can make us non-magical flares or torches that we can easily light on the run and hold in front of us - remember we're fireproof - anyone chasing is in our shadow and thus fucked. If people in front of us come to see what the light is about then we drop it behind us and burn them.
On the battlefield there might be a combination play. The Pall itself doesn't count as a shadow (no Hunger of Hadar
) but if we can cast one above ground level, it will cast a shadow. Using one spell on another has risks but at least they're both ulgu.
Also moderately complex is Burning Shadows. If Johann, Max or an engineer can make us non-magical flares or torches that we can easily light on the run and hold in front of us - remember we're fireproof - anyone chasing is in our shadow and thus fucked. If people in front of us come to see what the light is about then we drop it behind us and burn them.
On the battlefield there might be a combination play. The Pall itself doesn't count as a shadow (no Hunger of Hadar
) but if we can cast one above ground level, it will cast a shadow. Using one spell on another has risks but at least they're both ulgu.
Griffons.
Pegasi.
Empire 8th said:
My guess would be you need to prove yourself to the mount enough to gain it's true loyalty, if you fail then it's a constant battle of wills to keep it under control. Also you probably need to dedicate a fair amount of time to it. Once you have a griffon's loyalty though then it's better than a force of greatswords at your back.old world bestiary said:
Pegasi.
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old world bestiary said:
storm of magic said:
Pegasi seem to be about as easy to ride as other more mundane horses although they appear to be more intelligent and significantly more powerful.Empire 8th said:
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That is true, but in general mercenaries accept that they're going to be the front ablative bumper already(after all, thats why you pay them rather than raise more dudes yourself), and its polite not to mention it.
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I'm against getting any kind of mount. Over in another Warhammer Fantasy quest, we had this amazing magical horse and he was great, but that greatness was entirely overshadowed by the dragon we eventually got. I don't want Wolf competing for attention with a pegasus or griffon or dragon, I want him to be the only animal to care about.
EDIT: And Wolf gets little enough screen time and attention as-is. He never comes with us when we leave Karak Eight Peaks and we've dedicated ourselves to leaving him behind whenever we go to battle because of his weakness. I don't want to dilute those few moments we get with him even further.
EDIT: And Wolf gets little enough screen time and attention as-is. He never comes with us when we leave Karak Eight Peaks and we've dedicated ourselves to leaving him behind whenever we go to battle because of his weakness. I don't want to dilute those few moments we get with him even further.
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Incorrect in my opinion, someone raised a very good point that if we want to use it as a means to signal we're still alive while on a distant campaign dealing with distant things that need reinforcement its great.
Its also good for making a good first impression on Bretonnians and other human nations if we flip that on and take a walk in their forests before finding the closest city.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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We should take him with us to the next Council Report. He could use a walk.
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- his hidden lair
Then she can absolutely go for mass indiscriminate carnage against Orcs.
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- The Star Kingdom of Manticore
[X] MATHILDE: Infiltrate Karagril early, and rampage through enemy lines once battle begins.
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- some computer lab
I love this, "Ain't no rule that says dogs can't be priests."
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You know what, sure. This seems incredibly fun:
[X] MATHILDE: Infiltrate Karagril early, and rampage through enemy lines once battle begins.
[X] MATHILDE: Infiltrate Karagril early, and rampage through enemy lines once battle begins.
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- his hidden lair
@BoneyM
Given the bonus for fighting in narrow spaces from our style is described as;
Given the bonus for fighting in narrow spaces from our style is described as;
Could we get that bonus while fighting in center of the front ranks of a relatively tight formation? I understand if you don't want us to try and rule lawyer this, but it seems like a sort of situation which might play to her style's strengths surprisingly well.