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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Zero Gravitas said:
The Bursar wasn't exactly what I'd call encouraging. She okayed the whole thing because Mathilde did everything above board and because the Grey College does need funds but then gave the spiel about the fish.

She obviously doesn't want to pull the rug beneath a Grey Wizard that's contributing quite well but at the same time there was absolutely zero encouragement of further financial shenanigans despite said shenanigans being profitable for the College.
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No, she was just warning us that there actually is a line that we can cross, and to be mindful not to cross it.
 
You know I just realized I have yet to cast a vote for book purcharses so is there any one willing to trade my suport for their prefered LIBRARY for changing their vote to reforging the armor ?
 
CuttleFish2.0 said:
This is a deliberate misinterpretation of my point, and you know it. The potential problem is not which gaining more information, it is with gaining more information in a way which is not the intended normal flow of information for Turns.
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the intended process for gaining new information is to look at the results for this turn, and try to anticipate our task for next turn so we can buy books appropriately, we do not have any more information than we would on any normal turn result update, and trying to argue that a vote shouldn't exist after we've been debating it for a whole day seems rather rude.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
 
noliar said:
Mathilde is good at translation. Once her Khazlid is up to it, translating some of her Dawi library into Reikspiel may make some good papers for the college. Writing up MAP and flexible enchantment take priority on the writing front though.

We have enough money to hire a top combat instructor to come to K8P. The hold is full of people with a bit of money who'd value improving their skills so there's plenty of business for when they're not teaching us. Which is not to say we shouldn't buy the odd fechtbuch too, but live instruction is better.
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If you check the character sheet, Mathilde has already learned Khazalid.
 
notanautomaton said:
It's a bonus to all rolls using or researching Grey Magic. You know, the thing we use? As a Grey Wizard?
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I really don't appreciate your condesending tone.

When applied to a magical discipline as young as the colleges "antiquarian" conjures up images of a collection about hedge mages from before the colleges were founded who might possibly have used something vaguely resembling grey magic at some point before they exploded into Dhar.

Which could be interesting but not worth the favour expenditure.
Mopman43 said:
Antiquarian refers to the extent of the bonus given, a +5 in this case I believe, and it would be useful for a lot of different rolls involving grey magic.
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Thank you, this is much more helpful.
 
@BoneyM

If you are around could you give a little prompt on why we're getting the vote about the Armour, is it because Belegar feels obligated to at least listen to the one that found it, because we're his adviser and he values our opinion, both?
 
Arbit said:
They're listed somewhere beyond item 100. If you're on a mobile browser you probably can only see them when merging votes. I can't see beyond item 100 on the tally on my tablet.
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I am on a desktop, and I'm poking at a copy of a tally I copypasted to notepad ++ . And the tally I can see extends all the way to 1-voter options.

Searching for armo (case insensitive) gives me
79 people have voted
[y] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
77 people have voted
[y] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
54 people have voted
[y] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
5 people have voted
[y] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
2 people have voted
-[y] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

Edit: ah, found at least one of them in the single-voter please-load-additional-tally boonies. Why do you do this to me, Zero Gravitas?
 
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Humbaba said:
When applied to a magical discipline as young as the colleges "antiquarian" conjures up images of a collection about hedge mages from before the colleges were founded who might possibly have used something vaguely resembling grey magic at some point before they exploded into Dhar.
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The Colleges were founded by Teclis so they'd have access to some old elven lore alongside modern research.
 
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  • Apocrypha
    • wrecksalot said:
    seems like us being associates with Edda due to trashy romance contributed a lot.
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    Interviewer: So, Dame Weber how did you become so preposterously rich?
    Mathilde: The most important thing is faith. Faith in the gods, and faith in yourself.
    Interviewer: How inspiring. As expected from a great hero.
    Mathilde: The second most important thing is romance novels.
    Interviewer: ...romance novels?
    Mathilde: Romance novels. Dwarfs love romance novels. You give a dwarf a romance novel, and you'll have a much better time.
    Interviewer: Ahh, thank you for that insight into our stalwart allies. Now, -
    Mathilde: That ties into the next best way: Shit and Piss.
    Interviewer: I beg your forgiveness? How does that lead to fortune?
    Mathilde: I shall consider it. And you take that piss, and you sell it to dwarfs. Dwarfs love high quality piss.
    Interviewer: Please, Dame Weber, tell me how I have angered you, and I will repent.
    Mathilde: Now the third way to gain a fortune is to rip apart a malignant tumor of a trading cartel, and take it's place as a benign growth.
    Interviewer: Is this about Marienburg Import And Export.
    Mathilde: Mmhh.
    Interviewer: I will deliver you message.
    ...
    Interviewer: Can we still do the interview? I really want to hear about the Flensburg swap. And I probably should hear about the League. Uhm, so I can deliver your message with greater impact. Can you autograph this original incriminating paperwork?
    Mathilde: Sure, I always like to meet a fan who knows that what's bad for the Empire is bad for him.

    A.N: This... kinda spiraled out of control. It started as a three line joke.
     
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    • wrecksalot said:
    the intended process for gaining new information is to look at the results for this turn, and try to anticipate our task for next turn so we can buy books appropriately, we do not have any more information than we would on any normal turn result update, and trying to argue that a vote shouldn't exist after we've been debating it for a whole day seems rather rude.
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    I mean I would have liked to have thought of the problem earlier, but I didn't. If I see something that is a problem I'm going to bring it up, not simply ignore it; Boney will do what they want with the information.
     
    DragonParadox said:
    Well as of right now, no purchase is three votes ahead and we are very close to the deadline so I would call that likely.
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    This is something of a hilarious turn of events if you think of it as an in character thought process. Our obsession with romance novels is so great that we refuse to buy books unless we spend hundreds of gold on romance novels we can't read at the same time.
     
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    I keep seeing arguments advocating for a 15 or 25 favour sword. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but have people considered a compromise of 20? It would still be "dead killy", more so than the 15 favour kragg would make a "mediocre" weapon for, but is not as huge an investment as some are leery of comiting to.

    Feel free to tell me I'm talking out my arse as I am still well behind in reading the thread.
     
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    Zero Gravitas said:
    The Bursar wasn't exactly what I'd call encouraging.
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    I do, in fact, find her reaffirmation of trust in us and confirmation that we did absolutely nothing wrong to be fairly encouraging. The flat "you are playing with big money now" warning is not a slap on a wrist for being naughty.

    If EIC growing and us investing money into making money was a problem - something that Bursar most assuredly knew by the time we talked - was a problem, Bursar would've made a very unsubtle hint for us to stop this nonsense. She did not.

    I understand your reading of the situation, but I disagree with it.

    wrecksalot said:
    narratively, we have this money due to trashy romance novels. the fact that at the time our collection was too small for a mechanical bonus is not relevent.
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    You are misusing the word to represent a minor character quirk as a major part of her character and story told. I outlined the reasons as for why Mathilde has these money previously.
     
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    NibblyGribbly said:
    I keep seeing arguments advocating for a 15 or 25 favour sword. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but have people considered a compromise of 20? It would still be "dead killy", more so than the 15 favour kragg would make a "mediocre" weapon for, but is not as huge an investment as some are leery of vomiting to.

    Feel free to tell me I'm talking out my arse as I am still well behind in reading the thread.
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    The 25 favour voters have a pretty overwhelming lead over every other option so I doubt they'd be willing to compromise on it speaking as one of those voters I know i'm not.
     
    NibblyGribbly said:
    I keep seeing arguments advocating for a 15 or 25 favour sword. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but have people considered a compromise of 20? It would still be "dead killy", more so than the 15 favour kragg would make a "mediocre" weapon for, but is not as huge an investment as some are leery of vomiting to.

    Feel free to tell me I'm talking out my arse as I am still well behind in reading the thread.
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    We've considered it, but the vote is almost closed (less than an hour left), and 25 favor has a massive lead.
     
    NibblyGribbly said:
    I keep seeing arguments advocating for a 15 or 25 favour sword. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but have people considered a compromise of 20? It would still be "dead killy", more so than the 15 favour kragg would make a "mediocre" weapon for, but is not as huge an investment as some are leery of vomiting to.

    Feel free to tell me I'm talking out my arse as I am still well behind in reading the thread.
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    Yes, but that bugs the 25 as being only 5 less than max, and the 15 people as still way too much. Worst of both worlds.
     
    NibblyGribbly said:
    I keep seeing arguments advocating for a 15 or 25 favour sword. Please forgive me if I'm wrong but have people considered a compromise of 20? It would still be "dead killy", more so than the 15 favour kragg would make a "mediocre" weapon for, but is not as huge an investment as some are leery of vomiting to.

    Feel free to tell me I'm talking out my arse as I am still well behind in reading the thread.
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    most of the arguments for a 25 favour weapon is for the narrative of one of the heroes of the expedition forging a masterwork for another, and I feel like a 20 favour sword wouldn't have the same oomph
     
    I'd be willing to change my vote to buying the smaller library collection, but would like some confidence that we would stop buying > 1000 Gold worth of books a turn.
     
    Kornet said:
    I am on a desktop, and I'm poking at a copy of a tally I copypasted to notepad ++ . And the tally I can see extends all the way to 1-voter options.

    Searching for armo (case insensitive) gives me
    79 people have voted
    [y] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
    77 people have voted
    [y] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
    54 people have voted
    [y] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
    5 people have voted
    [y] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
    2 people have voted
    -[y] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

    Edit: ah, found at least one of them in the single-voter please-load-additional-tally boonies. Why do you do this to me, Zero Gravitas?
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    The other one uses the wrong task tag. [ARMOR] instead of [ARMOUR].
     
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