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Midnight Conversations
Midnight Conversations

Cordula von Halstedt was woken up by an odd sensation. A disquiet, of the kind hard to describe yet known to every person in the Empire, when the Cursed Moon shined. Like a brush of something off, unnatural. Her eyes blearily searched the room and in the light of the half-moon found nothing but shadows. Her mouth tasted foul, sour like from a celebratory drink, so she roused from bed and made her way to her desk. A mug filled with tepid water helped alleviate her problem when she froze.

The moon cast a long shadow from the shutters, and her own stretched over the table. But it was not alone. Tendrils of shadow moved and danced on her desk, undulating like some wicked monster, stretching from behind her and she was suddenly certain she was not alone. Her lips opened involuntarily, yet before she could scream a calloused hand sealed them, without even a whisper of cloth.

With her heart hammering in her chest she would have struggled, fought, done something. But even past the monstrous shadow, another fact lodged in her brain and paralyzed her completely. The body she'd been pulled up against wasn't taller than her and had a distinct softness to it. As well, with how close they were she could just glimpse the edge of a Witch Hunters hat, in the edge of her view. But what paralyzed her was the mist. In the moonlight, it looked like the clouds come to earth. A chill wind entered through the open window, silently stirring her Grey Robes.

Cordula felt herself slowly spun about. She didn't resist. There was no resistance in her. Not even the thought of it. For it was said the Grey could read minds. The face she'd never seen in person, but she did not need the large hilt peeking over her back to name this one. She prayed, silently, to Sigmar. To deliver her from this, to show her where she had failed to earn this response and grant her mercy. She looked into those cold eyes and found none. Some sane part of her mind informed her she needed the privy.

Stuck between impossible choices, she silently giggled, overcome. Speak and die. Not speak, and she'd go mad. The blank empty eyes, the gates of death…blinked. The head tilted, leaving the hat comically askew and a calm and somewhat bemused voice asked: "Are you quite alright?" The gale of howling, hysterical laughter that triggered summoned company quite rapidly.

It took a while before she'd convinced everyone she was just having a nightmare. It helped, that she believed it. It was just a waking one. Who would she tell? And how would it make any difference? Once everyone was gone, the Grey Magister, Dame Mathilde Weber walked back out of the shadows behind her dresser. "We need to talk."



"Anton is a good man, and a dear friend. Now I'm glad he's standing up for himself, but he shouldn't have to face all this. He can be a miracle maker, he has worked miracles. Stirland, and all of the Empire owes him a debt for all the support he gathered for the campaign that finally put down Drakenfalls. He brought Asarnil. He was sent, expecting some pike, or other sellswords and he brought a Dragon. He brought the greatest concentration of cannon even seen. If you truly seek to become his wife, you need to understand what he did, for all of us."

The Magister remained calm, leisurely, like talking about the harvest.
"So understand me that I say this in friendship and out of kindness. I wish you well. I wish you happiness. I wish you the best. I wish this for whosoever becomes his wife in the end. He deserves it."

The tone didn't even change. "But understand as well. His gift has ever been one of friendship. He has friends. I hope we never have to meet like this again. But you understand yes? I have to be sure, because some people can be quite dense, certain in their own immortality, or that it will never be them, that they'll never be caught. I wish you well, I wish you the best."

Like a grandmother talking about her aching bones.
"But if you manage to beguile that man, abuse and humiliate him, for the debts I owe him, and his service to the Empire as a whole, I'll come again. And if I have fallen in some dark cave I'll leave instructions for another of mine to come. You'll never see the sun again, nor any other fool stupid enough to play such games. There are fates far worse than death in the Shadows of the College. Don't become one of them." Then she was gone. Disappeared in the blink of an eye.

In the morning she would think that perhaps she'd dreamt it all. If not for a silk grey shawl, left on her desk, with a silver pin in the shape of a great sword. Reminder and warning both. A number of such would appear at the next court ball. All in the hands of young maidens, the pins all fine dwarven craftsmanship. Yet no one was foolish enough to ask. It caused quite a stir. Those who were stupid enough, need but see all the color drain from their faces, to know better than to ask again. The few maidens pressed by their parents were presented shawl and pin, with blade prominent and given but a few whispered word: "Grey.Kiesinger."

Anton Kiesinger II, Baron of Blutdorf was quietly touched by the new fashion, as the pressures that had hounded him for months… well, they didn't stop. But they were really ,really polite and considerate now.

AN: Or Mat passing on the message of how much Anton has friends. So be nice. Or else.
 
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I don't object to a 1000 GC reserve. My fear is that we'd keep spending until we find out we don't even have a reserve, especially since we haven't budgeted crucial items such as the penthouse. The windfall might look large, but it's not infinite. Judging by how the last two big expenditure votes had no costing estimate, it feels to me as if the thread is treating the windfall as if it is infinite, with things like 700GC romance novels collections based on an entertaining meme being emblematic of this phenomena.

It isn't infinite but Mathilde is also getting money from her role as Court Wizard and she's also getting a bit from her properties in Stirland. Once her debt for the EIC is payed off in a couple years she'll need to spend hundreds of gold per turn just so she doesn't get unacceptably wealthy.

We still don't know how many floors we want to go for - how many towers, how many underground rooms, their purposes and so on. I believe that vsh made the most developed plan right now, but there's surprisingly little discussion on this. Then again, once the option to build our penthouse emerges, I expect debate to begin.

Well we aren't going to need a two dozen room palace. A few hundred GC for half a dozen floors seems like more than enough.
 
Idea: These spiders would make for great underground skirmishers and raiders. Which is something dwarfs lack. And what dwarfs are great at these spiders aren't good at.

Symbiosis is a wonderful thing.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
 
I finally give up on reading all the posts and am skipping the last week and a half of discussion. Which is four hundred and some pages.

Hopefully I will manage to keep up now.

Anything critical I might be missing?

You may want to read the following post when it comes to the rune/not rune weapon debate and for what to do with the Gromril armour we just recovered.

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I ask that you, who's made so far into the discussion, bear with me for a minute. There are two ways to approach the Sword issue: mechanics and narrative. Some points blur the line, but I will try to start with the former and end up with the later. The fist thing one realizes upon comparing...
 
Each Tower room is 100gc, basement room half that.
We might spring for high quality dwarf equipment for another 100-200 gc each for the lab and workshop.
Up to 500gc expectation on extravagant vault(on the basis that a fortress would have cost a thousand), panic button and wards construction, most of the cost here is probably the runes Favor expense though.
Survey is paid in Favor I think.

Hmm, how much would your plan add up in total? I am going to try to make an estimate, but do correct me if I'm wrong, because I may not fully understand how the penthouse expenditure work:

Up(Tower 1):
Three rooms? 300 GC?
- Study: just furnishing cost, 50 GC?
- Workshop: 200gc
- Observation Point: 50GC? Free?

Up(Tower 2):
2 Rooms? 200 GC
- Lab: 200 GC
- Ritual Chamber: 200 GC

Down 1: Library, 50 GC
- Furniture , 50 GC

Down 2: Vault/Residence, 50 GC
Vault : 500 GC
Residence: 50 GC

Total Cost

300 + 50 + 200 + 50 + 200 +200 +200 + 50+50 + 50 +500 +50 = 1900 GC

Down 3: Future Apprentices/Journeymen/Visitor Quarters + Guest Labs?
50 GC + 50 GC + 200 GC = 300 GC

Hmm, I think as a ball park figure, we might want to reserve something like 2500 GC for the penthouse, in case we want to make 300 GC more additions. Personally, I'd actually make Mathilde's private quarters above ground, at the base of one of the three towers, so she can have easy access to her lab/study/ritual chamber/observation point/workshop. Ideally, I'd actually put her quarters in an expansion of the penthouse, next to the sitting quarters, with direct access to her vault only from her secured private quarters.

Also if we want to make a public library, we must make this section distinct from our own private library. So, we might be actually looking at another room here, either underground or tower, ranging from 100-150GC.

So yes, 2500 GC sounds like a good number to budget for the penthouse, if my math and understanding of the costs work out well. 3000 GC if we want to keep 500 GC more margin of safety/want to house more journeymen/magisters in the future.


Well we aren't going to need a two dozen room palace. A few hundred GC for half a dozen floors seems like more than enough.

I made abit of a quick and rought attempt at costing based of Veekie's plans. Do you have any thoughts on the costing estimate or any corrections you think I should make? Thanks!
 
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One more reason for so many books: We are going really heavy on the stick for Johann so far and really, there is only so far we can push him. The books we are getting this turn apply to his own research and are an excellent carrot to keep him working under us.

Besides that, I'm definitely considering hiring Esbern and Seija/Panoramia for permanent positions next turn. I definitely noticed the Ghur duo taking notes on the spiders this turn and alongside skaven economy, we have two more papers we can write up. With journeymen, we can turn one personal action spent into two work-related or paper writing actions. This seems like the best way to get more free time to focus on the things we want to do.
 
Hmm, how much would your plan add up in total? I am going to try to make an estimate, but do correct me if I'm wrong, because I may not fully understand how the penthouse expenditure work:

Up(Tower 1):
Three rooms? 300 GC?
- Study: just furnishing cost, 50 GC?
- Workshop: 200gc
- Observation Point: 50GC? Free?

Up(Tower 2):
2 Rooms? 200 GC
- Lab: 200 GC
- Ritual Chamber: 200 GC

Down 1: Library, 50 GC
- Furniture , 50 GC

Down 2: Vault/Residence, 50 GC
Vault : 500 GC
Residence: 50 GC

Total Cost

300 + 50 + 200 + 50 + 200 +200 +200 + 50+50 + 50 +500 +50 = 1900 GC

Down 3: Future Apprentices/Journeymen/Visitor Quarters + Guest Labs?
50 GC + 50 GC + 200 GC = 300 GC

Hmm, I think as a ball park figure, we might want to reserve something like 2500 GC for the penthouse, in case we want to make 300 GC more additions. Personally, I'd actually make Mathilde's private quarters above ground, at the base of one of the three towers, so she can have easy access to her lab/study/ritual chamber/observation point/workshop. Ideally, I'd actually put her quarters in an expansion of the penthouse, next to the sitting quarters, with direct access to her vault only from her secured private quarters.

Also if we want to make a public library, we must make this section distinct from our own private library. So, we might be actually looking at another room here, either underground or tower, ranging from 100-150GC.

So yes, 2500 GC sounds like a good number to budget for the penthouse, if my math and understanding of the costs work out well. 3000 GC if we want to keep 500 GC more margin of safety/want to house more journeymen/magisters in the future.
We already spent 100gc on a lab and quarters for the journeymen/visiting magisters, it was the first thing we did. So you can cut that Down 3 part. I also dunno if we really need a vault, we're sitting on tons of silver with no problems as-is.
 
You may want to read the following post when it comes to the rune/not rune weapon debate and for what to do with the Gromril armour we just recovered.

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I ask that you, who's made so far into the discussion, bear with me for a minute. There are two ways to approach the Sword issue: mechanics and narrative. Some points blur the line, but I will try to start with the former and end up with the later. The fist thing one realizes upon comparing...
That is a good post, thank you.
 
I made abit of a quick and rought attempt at costing based of Veekie's plans. Do you have any thoughts on the costing estimate or any corrections you think I should make? Thanks!

That seems about right for an extensive, top quality option. It should be taken into account that it'd probably take multiple turns to build since, let's face it, we're only ever going to use the free action on it.

We already spent 100gc on a lab and quarters for the journeymen/visiting magisters, it was the first thing we did. So you can cut that Down 3 part. I also dunno if we really need a vault, we're sitting on tons of silver with no problems as-is.

The vault could be used for magical materials and enchanted items.
 
We already spent 100gc on a lab and quarters for the journeymen/visiting magisters, it was the first thing we did. So you can cut that Down 3 part. I also dunno if we really need a vault, we're sitting on tons of silver with no problems as-is.

I'm quoting the vault cost from Veekie's proposed plans, and I presume (though I can't speak for him) that the vault is meant to store highly sensitive artifacts Mathilde might come across in the future, as well as things she doesn't want others to know she has such as the Liber Mortis.


That seems about right for an extensive, top quality option. It should be taken into account that it'd probably take multiple turns to build since, let's face it, we're only ever going to use the free action on it.

I'd like to suggest if we get an option to, we should earmark a penthouse building fund, to be spent over multiple turns. There are probably going to be more proposals for more modest labs out there, but given that we are looking at the 2k -2.5k GC range for a top-line option, that's probably a sum of money that needs to be set aside ahead of time, or invested into over time.
 
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... I guess? I mean, right now all our research materials, enchanted items and the Liber Mortis could just fit in the Liber Mortis trunk. Since all we've acquired are the helldrake scales, the Liber Mortis and personal enchanted items, and all.

EDIT: Also, why are the workshop and the lab different rooms? What's the difference between those two?
 
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... I guess? I mean, right now all our research materials, enchanted items and the Liber Mortis could just fit in the Liber Mortis trunk. Since all we've acquired are the helldrake scales, the Liber Mortis and personal enchanted items, and all.

EDIT: Also, why are the workshop and the lab different rooms? What's the difference between those two?

One is presumably for research, the other is for enchanting, they'd probably have different equipment but I can certainly see there being overlap as well.
 
So, one magically inert and one steeped in ulgu? Makes sense I guess.

There's also setting up the shrine/tavern that we can use as a money sink.

EDIT: Of course, enchanting takes a month action to finish one item and we can only enchant spells we can cast, so it's practically useless. We don't have an apprentice to equip, we can't equip a whole platoon or even an adventuring party, and the thing we're starved for most is the action economy.
 
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AN: Or Mat passing on the message of how much Anton has friends. So be nice. Or else.
While this is funny, it also strikes me as a severe violation of the Articles of Imperial Magic for personal petty feuds. Anton is cute but he's not "Did you have a good reason to extort the nobles of Sigmar's Holy Empire?" cute when someone complains and the Grey Order starts investigating.
 
On a side note, as an argument against the book vote.

Mathilda is currently tied into a network of romance novel exchanges. Buying a ton of romance books and loaning them will destroy that entire subculture. See, the network of the exchange relies on the idea that you have many people all with something to exchange. Mathilde however, with her library, will have everything and need nothing. Meanwhile, the worth of everyone else's collections will be effectively 0 because Mathilde has more and better copies.

In effect, having 1 extremely powerful node in the exchange grid basically tears it apart. Instead of a web of equals, you create a hierarchy where Mathilde is lonely at the top, and everyone else is functionally irrelevant in comparison.
 
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If we really must get rid if our money soon, I imagine that now that we expanded EIC to k8p there will be all kinds of opportunities to invest in k8p industry and infrastructure.
 
In effect, having 1 extremely powerful node in the exchange grid basically tears it apart. Instead of a web of equals, you create a hierarchy where Mathilde is the controller.

The counter is that Mathilde uses the 700 GC to turn the book exchange into a public library, with the 700 GC of romance books being presented as a donation she makes on behalf of the community, and the expenditure justified to the Grey College bursars as "networking".


If we really must get rid if our money soon, I imagine that now that we expanded EIC to k8p there will be all kinds of opportunities to invest in k8p industry and infrastructure.

Remember, earmarking funds for our penthouse is also going to be a significant outlay.
 
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Extort? A pleasant conversation is not extortion.

On a different topic.
Dhar Bad. Zombie Abel Would be Sad.

Time to reorient our goals to Life/Heavenly lore instead and/or pray for Ranald to steal a single soul from the garden of Morr.

It's not necromancy if we invent/finagle a favour for a true ressurection.

We can rebuild him. We have the technology magic and/or divine favour!
Even if it costs One Thousand Favors!
 
The counter is that Mathilde uses the 700 GC to turn the book exchange into a public library, with the 700 GC being presented as a donation she makes on behalf fo the community.
Still destroys the subculture.

You go from a distributed informal exchange network to a hierarchy focused on a single institution. Why exchange your own books for something when you can just loan from the library?
 
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