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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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BoneyM said:
Yes. Every type of magic is.
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Right-o then, that's a hole in our library we need fixed ASAP. I suggest people vote for my vote, which now includes it:

[ ] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels. Dwarf Texts: Antiquarian Skaven, Antiquarian Greenskin, Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven Magic, Extensive/Antiquarian Greenskin Magic, Extensive Romance Novels. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

I removed Antiquarian Grey Magic in favor of Extensive/Antiquarian Skaven and Greenskin magic, bringing us up to an unfortunate but necessary 4 College Favor/8 Dwarf Favor spent.

We're a Wizard. We need reference material on this stuff.
 
Also I've been seeing a few different people talking about a 25 favour weapon, or any commissioned weapon, essentially commemorating the reconquest of K8P, but crucially forgetting that it hasn't actually been reconquered. We took a little over a fourth of it, but there are still six more peaks to take; any weapon we commission now from the dwarves is highly unlikely to be anything nearly as expansive and commemorating the recapture of all of K8P because that hasn't happened yet. It's more likely to commemorate our particular contributions so far or the two peaks so far taken, or maybe our act of Kragg approved dispelling that essentially single-handedly turn the battle for the Citadel into a clean-up job.
 
Alratan said:
Apparently we can get a Greatsword Trait but not a Greataxe Trait.

Also, if we leave the sword purchase for later, we're very likely to fritter our favours away and make that impossible.

We're also probably not settling into a long period of study, unfortunately. The decision to focus on the EIC combined with the many urgent threats on our doorstep make that unlikely to be honest. We're in a part of the world where the kind of magical threats Karak Eight Peaks faces are likely to be enemy casters or magical monsters that need to die.
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Shame about the axe, but I'm not too fussed.

We'll gain and spend favours as time passes - a sword frankly isn't the most appealing thing we could spend favours on, so I don't really mind if we decide to prioritise something else, really.

We absolutely bloody well are going to be spending turns studying, even if we're only putting 3 actions a turn into it.
 
primemountain said:
That...makes some amount of sense. I'm still against a sword. And I think if you are going for the whole inspirational uniti thing for K8P, it should be of K8P. If you really want a symbol, make it a dwarven one. Ask Kragg to make an axe worthy of a King of K8P. Spend 25 favor points on that. That is how you get the inspirational story thing.

As long as you are getting it for Mat, I don't think it works. All that inspirational stuff and then? Then she became the Court Wiazrd and talked to some spiders. Can you feel the failed expetation? It might have worked if Mat was the K8P inner marshal, but I just don't think the story works they way you think it will. The runefangs founded the Empire, a human realm. If you want something for K8P, make it dwarven.
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a 25 point item will take two years to forge, by then I dare say we'll have found our way towards killing more skaven or greenskin leadership we practically trip over them when scouting any way.
 
Alratan said:
and neither is his fire breath
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While on TT such runes indeed protect from dragon breath (and fluffed as invented for that purpose), there was a WOG that it may or may not be true in the quest (it was pre-hiatus, somewhere near "juggle warpstone" clarification). BoneyM said that dragon's breath is not normal fire because dragons are inherently magical and thus rune is not guaranteed to protect us from it.
 
Alratan said:
Why not? Why not plan to assassinate the Warboss of Black Cragg? Or the Warlord of Clan Mors? Or several of the only 169 Grey Seers in the World? Or given we have Dhar immunity, shatter one of the irreplaceable Screaming Bells if they bring one within reach? All of these should be things that a top tier rune weapon should make much more possible, and all are pretty legendary deeds.

Even more, why not aspire to avenge the Runelords of Thunder Mountain by sneaking into its heart and slaying Azorgaron the Black*?

We've already accomplished a legendary deed by murdering the right person at the right moment.

* thanks to having fire immunity, the environmental hazards of the lava aren't a problem, and neither is his fire breath. The Coin and her spells allow her to sneak past the cultists. As he's a spellcasting dragon, the Spelleater rune is also perfect against him. The rune weapon is the final major piece of equipment she needs. As he's asleep, she can almost certainly sneak in and get the first blow without him being alerted, but after then she's just survivable enough that with a good enough weapon she can finish the job and take him out when that first blow wakes him up. She's not there yet, but it's something we can aspire to.
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Because it's not our focus, our job or our responsibility. If You wanted Mathilde to do things like that, You should push towards her at Spymaster role. Not court wizard.

Just to be clear: I wanted to go that route. I wanted Mathilde go around and remove threats. I belived it would be awesome. I voted for it. Unfortunately, that vote lost, and Mathilde function in K8P is researcher and problem solver. It does not include sabotage and assasination.
 
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
 
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LockedMind said:
While on TT such runes indeed protect from dragon breath (and fluffed as invented for that purpose), there was a WOG that it may or may not be true in the quest (it was pre-hiatus, somewhere near "juggle warpstone" clarification). BoneyM said that dragon's breath is not normal fire because dragons are inherently magical and thus rune is not guaranteed to protect us from it.
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I bet it'll try its little runic heart out, but if Deathfang wants us to burn, it's just one little belt, it can only do its best.
 
Gworn said:
So something like drugs, prostitution or gambling. We definitely know that gambling is allowed (we did it in the middle of the campaign). Alcohol is also fine with dwarves. I'm not sure whether there are other drugs that have a high demand. With prostitution I don't know what the rules are so that might be a possibility.
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Halflings in general are ok with prostitution and the humans are mercenaries. Dwarfs would look down upon it though.

Alratan said:
The Empire is really not very progressive. Really, really not progressive. Probably in an everything not explicitly allowed is forbidden style.We can't assume the common law concept with the opposite presumption.
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In 2e and 4e, the description that says Ranald earned Shallya's love also says that Ranald's gender is a topic of debate. In 4e, one of Rhya's strictures is "Never judge whom another loves." I don't think it'd be fully progressive but it won't be as bad as real life medieval times.

chocolote12 said:
That sounds more like the Imperium you're thinking of, to be honest. Mathilde got a knighthood under the Air Bud rule, you know.
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The Imperium has no official stance on LGBT stuff. It doesn't care. How it's thought of varies from world to world.

Omegahugger said:
And since this is a fantasy setting, there's probably also at least one spell for that.
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The only spell I know of requires that a birth be biologically possible. For something biologically impossible, it'd probably require a Ritual or a Storm of Magic spell.

Omegahugger said:
I resent that remark!

As I do not ship MathildeXAbelXAntonXRanald, it means that I am officially not the most rabid shipper in this thread! That's almost literal slander!
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DiceOfStupidity said:
Because it's not our focus, our job or our responsibility. If You wanted Mathilde to do things like that, You should push towards her at Spymaster role. Not court wizard.

Just to be clear: I wanted to go that route. I wanted Mathilde go around and remove threats. I belived it would be awesome. I voted for it. Unfortunately, that vote lost, and Mathilde function in K8P is researcher and problem solver. It does not include sabotage and assasination.
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I think we are still going to be doing quite a bit of that on the side, though. See scouting this turn. Plus, a lot of the magic shit we'll need to deal with is likely to be in the form of enemy mages and/or 'orrible gribblies.
 
Omegahugger said:
I am going to study the most dangerous and explosive kind of known magic. TIME TO BRING OUT THE BOOZE!
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Its a very Stirlandian response.

Alratan said:
If we had a twenty five point runeweapon our options and choices are likely to be different. We can take a more aggressive path to chasing down skaven leaders for example.

The fact that Mathilde didn't hunt them down or look for targets of opportunity to kill or destroy shows the need for the runeweapon, as she doesn't feel confident that she can with her current toolkit.
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Alratan said:
Mathilde should be actively hunting down and trying to kill enemies like that, as it's much better than facing them on the open field or having them come to her. Azorgaron the Black is literally sleeping inside Thunder Mountain and Mathilde with a super-killy weapon is one of the vvery few people that would be able to sneak inside and put an end to him.

Mathilde shouldn't be soling bloodthirsters, because they pretty much manifest on the field of battle, but she should be prepping to kill Bonegrinder Giants or Dragons after sneaking up on them when they're asleep, as that's when they're most vulnerable and doing so makes an enormous difference, and it's something that a Runefang would be completely inadequate for.
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Alratan said:
Why on earth would we ever become a murder hobo? Mathilde is deeply embedded in the society of Karak Eight Peaks. She's started building a home here. I'm sure there'll be plenty of murdering if she gets the sword, but no hobo-ing, as she'll be murdering the enemy of her states as part of the government.
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Eh, I will be honest and say that your argument of lets go kill the big Black Dragon in Karag Dron doesn't jive with the "why on earth would we become a murderhobo", which in my context is "spending a lot of our time murdering stuff" which your argument seems to be pushing. I'm sorry, but no thanks.


NavySeel said:
Francesco seems like the best leader to me, Osward sounds like a good person to put under him for the infantry while Soizic can command any cavalry force that ends up forming.
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I think Oswald would make a ludicrously great captain for the Deathwatch. Louis Armstrong as Gomez Addams is too powerful to be put anywhere else.

Now the argument that actually swayed me was TNE's because that one actually called on some interesting historical legends and was less about "And then we murder everything" in my view.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword
[X] [RUNE] A 25 favour sword to commemorate Mathilde's part the in retaking of Karak Eight-Peaks.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] An item enchanted with Talk With Beast to give to the spiders (3 favors)

I also really like @Candesce suggestion for a 25 favor sword. I also really really really think that if we want to take on the spiders as an alliance that we should go about the set up for that now and not next turn when our action slots are so tight and having a measure like an amulet we can give them would be a huge relief on the urgency of everything and make it all much more doable.
 
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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

I can always hope :V
[X] [RUNE] Ranger's Greatsword 15 Favor

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

I'll keep this until the silliness ends
[ ] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
 
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[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

I see reforging the armor as necessarh for the sword.

And the less way say, the more room Kragg has to work with. No more is needed to convey our intent beyond "25 favour sword".

Give the master smith room to work.
 
primemountain said:
That...makes some amount of sense. I'm still against a sword. And I think if you are going for the whole inspirational uniti thing for K8P, it should be of K8P. If you really want a symbol, make it a dwarven one. Ask Kragg to make an axe worthy of a King of K8P. Spend 25 favor points on that. That is how you get the inspirational story thing.

As long as you are getting it for Mat, I don't think it works. All that inspirational stuff and then? Then she became the Court Wiazrd and talked to some spiders. Can you feel the failed expetation? It might have worked if Mat was the K8P inner marshal, but I just don't think the story works they way you think it will. The runefangs founded the Empire, a human realm. If you want something for K8P, make it dwarven.
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I don't think the type of the weapon matters for the legend. It does matter for Mathilde, personally.

And speaking about legend cycles, after the ark we are in the "and she served him faithfully for many years" intermission. One arc is finished, the other has not begun yet. I fully expect that most of our years as a court wizard will be worth no more than a sentance or two.
 
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[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[x] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
Put the We in the right position an there ain't no Skaven coming in that way.

[x] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
Any of them can do the military command but Francesco has the best CV for mayor of a trading center

And finally, the World's Edge Armour, a trophy snatched back from Clan Mors. It belongs to the Dwarves, of course, but as you recovered it and are held in good esteem by the Dwarves, you might have a say in its fate. You don't know its origin, but you've no doubt the Dwarves would be able to deduce it.

[x] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[x] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
Gromril that we retrieved but diplomacy is important too.

[x] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.

[x] [RUNE] 16 Favour greatsword
Shenanigans in Kharag Lhune!
[x] [RUNE] 20 Favour greatsword
S10 rune would be sweet.

[ ] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
Ordering a communication item should be done after Belegar's decision
 
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Edit EDIT: Because cooler sword is cooler.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth
[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

Sure. I want to see an awesome-cool-amazing sword that cuts Magic in half and plays a custom soundtrack wherever we go.
It's less economical, but more cool and killy. So in Warhammer, it's perfectly reasonable.

[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

Sure, I want a hivemind to fight another sorta-hivemind.
Skaven are weaker, but they are more kunnin, so it's high Intrigue fight.
Orks feels better, at least when it comes to ambushing smaller warbands.

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Briefvoice said:
Don't forget to vote for enchantment and library. If you're not sure, a "no purchase" is always safe.
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Ah, sure thing.

[X] [LIBRARY] Extensive library of romance novels (Both imperial and dwarf)
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

Spiders will be handled next turn, and I find Mathilde being a romance novel enthusiast funny and... realistic, speaking from experience.
 
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These Library votes are looking pretty minimalistic, guys. Unless people are just shy of spending cash?

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

tl;dr Shore up our bonuses in a bunch of useful areas in exchange for a pile of cash, spend 2 college favor on our own Wind's textbooks (which will be critical in spell development and magical research), grab some Linguistics for next turn's job, buy tons of romance novels.

In more detail: This list shores up our Skaven- and Greenskin- related checks with knowledge of their magics. It burns 2 College Favor on Antiquarian Grey Magic, because guys, if there is one single book topic that we should be willing to burn College Favor, it's our own damn Wind of Magic. Adds in Amber Magic because we are now using an Amber spell as the keystone of our first major professional project and it could be important, as we're likely to continue doing so. Romance Novels are heavily invested in for critical character personality reasons. I'm aware that we don't speak Brettonian or Tilean, but I am entirely in support of learning them via romance novels. Warpstone and Daemon information is shored up as best we can without spending favor. Linguistics texts are purchased for teaching spiders how to communicate, which is our anticipated action next turn. We get knowledge on Morr because we just got a lot of knowledge on Morr and need the excuse. And we kick up our Karaz Ankor bonus to 4 because dwarf lore is relevant to our interests.

@BoneyM, I would like to inquire if, once we have a proper library and reading room to store all our books in, we can hire a librarian minion (for cash) and charge other people for library access, as I am reasonably sure that Mathilde has now acquired the most extensive collection of books anyone can find without traveling to Barak Varr or Karak Azul. This may or may not be practical but I found the idea amusing.


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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.
[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons.
 
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