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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[X] [UNDUMGI] Make no recommendation.
[X] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.
 
I'm partial to either Francesco Caravello, or Soizic.

Francesco has experience with Caravan guarding and traders, and also with standard merchant smuggling. Though we may want to keep an eye on him to ensure his sympathies don't extend to depriving the 8 peaks of their rightful cut.

Soizic, I mostly just find interesting. That said she clearly has some knowledge of where ideal meets reality. Which would be important for a leader of the Undumgi.

Not sure about the spiders.
 
Personally speaking, I prefer the... Estalian? over the other two. Martial experience, sure, but he's also got a background as a trader and a reputation in Barak Varr for quality service. Sounds like a winner to me. Oswald's not much of a thinker, and I'm not sure how well the Bretonnian will operate.

Edit: My read on it is that Oswald is a pure martial choice, the Tilean? is Martial-Stewardship, and the Bretonnian is Martial-Diplomacy.
 
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I think that anything dealing with alliances regarding the spiders will be difficult without having an Amber wizard nearby to translate for the representatives. Given that I don't know how long our current Amber wizards will remain, I'm skeptical of any alliance being beneficial.
 
Honestly though...it's one thing to say that giant spiders can be allies, another thing for the Karaz Ankor to accept that. Spiders have been the mounts and war beasts of goblins since time immemorial. This could be a very bad bit of propaganda against Belegar and Karak Eight Peaks. Grudges could become involved from lack of understanding. It would probably be better to just let them go.
 
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EVA-Saiyajin said:
Honesty though...it's one thing to say that giant spiders can be allies, another thing for the Kara Ankor to accept that. Spiders have been the mounts and warbwasts of goblins since time immemorial. This could do be a very paid bit of propaganda against Belegar and Karak Eight Peaks. It would probably be better to just let them go.
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NEIN! I will have my spiderbabies, or I will have death!

And we know Dhar now, dying might no longer be enough to stop us!
 
EVA-Saiyajin said:
Honesty though...it's one thing to say that giant spiders can be allies, another thing for the Kara Ankor to accept that. Spiders have been the mounts and warbwasts of goblins since time immemorial. This could do be a very paid bit of propaganda against Belegar and Karak Eight Peaks. It would probably be better to just let them go.
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On the other hand wolves have been the mounts of goblins for just as long and you don't see anyone objecting to the Ulricans. Let's play up the cooperation card that has helped Belagar for so long, not give in to fear and anticipated prejudice.
 
BoneyM said:
[Advanced Morrite Lore acquired]
[First Secret of Dhar acquired]
[Second Secret of Dhar acquired]
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For the curious:
BoneyM said:
Advanced Morrite Lore: You know the secrets no Priest of Morr should have ever put to paper. +1 Learning
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BoneyM said:
First Secret of Dhar: Dhar is inherently unstable, everyone knows that. What they don't know is how to turn Dhar against itself. You do. And now you'll never not know it.
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Second Secret of Dhar: Dhar could be made more unstable. A tiny nudge in just the right way and Dhar unravels in just the right way to unravel more Dhar, and so on until nothing remains.
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These spiders kinda reminded me of GIFTS (Giant Intelligent Friendly Talking Spiders) from Avernum.
(Imagine Giant Spiders that scuttles everywhere, speaks with high pitched voice and found humans very adorable and cute.)
Also hecc yeah Anton, it seems we can leave him alone for time being, although occasional check up on him will be good.
About the Skaven, I know people joked about bringing herd of cats to K8P but that idea sounds very promising now.
 
Thor's Twin said:
I think that anything dealing with alliances regarding the spiders will be difficult without having an Amber wizard nearby to translate for the representatives. Given that I don't know how long our current Amber wizards will remain, I'm skeptical of any alliance being beneficial.
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They might be able to learn the language, and they're probably fascinating enough to keep around.

agumentic said:
@BoneyM
If the armour ends up being reforged, and we ask for a 25 sword, is there a possibility that the armour will be reforged into our sword?
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That would be a punchy political move. Reforge the armour into a weapon for each the major contributors to the expedition.
 
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So here are my thoughts:

[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.

One of these two basically. Maybe the second one, actually. Spiders hunting rats seems right, somehow. I do not think the We are "a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.". They're far too alien.

[ ] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant

I know a lot of people are going to be tempted to jump on the Questing Knight bandwagon, but interactions with merchants are going to be a huge part of Undumgi business. Someone who understands caravans, how they operate, what they need, and what reasonable prices for guards are seems like the best possible option.

[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

This really seems like an internal dawi matter. I'd make no recommendation. Let's just enjoy the credit for bringing it back and not stick our noses in exactly which dwarf wears it.

Thoughts?
 
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- [X] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
-[X] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
-[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
-[X] [LIBRARY] No purchase.
-[X] [RUNE] No purchase.
-[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

My reasoning, as follows:

  • The spiders mentioned how they love Greenskins. Coincidentally, I'm sure we have a map of all the nearby Greenskin holds. Even if we just want them to move out of K8 Peaks into a Greenskin hold, giving them options to consider is sure to be enticing. Especially if we offer a deal of "Don't attack us, we won't attack you", add in that occasionally, greenskins come right to us, meaning you basically could get in home delivered food...... They'll consider it.
  • I'll be blunt, a guy named Oswald Oswaldson is not who we want as our leader. Also he has a habit of screaming his name to the heavens, and has little accomplishments to his name. As for our Questing Knight, well, she has a distinct issue. Namely, while she sounds like a good warrior (Yeah, fun fact, they don't get the Lady's blessings, IE, the resistance to bullets and other fun stuff), I doubt her actual skills.
  • Simply put, while it'd be poetic and nice to reuse the armor or remake it into something new, it's far more fitting to return it. To show the other Holds that we're making progress, and uncovering lost relics. The diplomatic relations helps far more then one piece of kit.
  • As for everything else, well, we did just spend a buttload of coin, which we can afford, but I don't see a real need for. Plus, we'll be here some time. No rush to fill up the shelf of books, there's no real call for enchanting gear until we start doing R/D work, and runes, well, I don't think we need anything else yet.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Well isn't that interesting.

If I read that correctly it's not only useful for unbinding Undead, if we manage to do that under battlefield-conditions we can counterspell anyone using Dhar, with a high chance to harm the hostile caster in the same move.

Propably harder to do that to read, but who doesn't love to see a Sorcerer or Necromancer headsplode under our gaze?
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Considering what she did to the Ork Shamans and the effects of Kragg's belt, I wonder if Mathilde's going to develop a reputation of causing hideous consequences to any enemy who tries to use magic on or around her?
 
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"Welcome addition" maybe could happen if they prove themself in combat against the skaven with an excellent couple of rolls, and we invest some time into figuring out what they are good for in peacetime.

Otherwise, it temporary military alliance seems best.
 
Not voting yet, as I'm still considering.

[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the greenskins.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a powerful military ally against the Skaven.
[ ] [SPIDER] The We can be a welcome addition to the multispecies community of Karak Eight Peaks.
[ ] [SPIDER] Make no recommendation.
Here I'm leading to making no recommendation or scuttering off to never be seen again. My worry is that if/when Seija and Esbern head off the Hold will be without a realiable way to communicate with the spiders. While they have sort of worked out how to remember things long term, it also sounds prone to loss. Could be dangerous.

[ ] [UNDUMGI] Oswald Oswaldson, Imperial veteran
[ ] [UNDUMGI] Francesco Caravello, Tilean ex-merchant
[ ] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight
Tilean looks best to me, though Oswald Oswaldson is simply magnificent if only just for the poetry of it.

[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be worn by the first Ironbreaker of the reborn Karak Eight Peaks
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be reforged into a worthy commemoration of the Karak's rebirth.
[ ] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.
[ ] [ARMOUR] Make no recommendation.

I think we should either return it to the Hold is was stolen from or have it reforged into a commemoration; though as the two with the most widespread effects.

As for the stuff still under moratorium; I don't particularly think we need to spend on anything yet.
 
[X] [SPIDER] The We can be allowed to scutter off into the Underway, never to be seen again.

I think this approach is best. As much as I'd love to incorporate them into our hugbox, a species that difficult to communicate with and with that much difference in perspective is going to be hard to really integrate with, and I am worried that if we try to make them military allies, what will actually happen in "our side treats them as expendable cannon fodder, because they're weird creepy bugs." Better to just let them go do their thing somewhere else.

[X] [UNDUMGI] Soizic, Bretonnian Questing Knight

I love the cut of her jib. I think she and Mathidle could get along really well, and if we're serious about Plan Repair Ranald's Reputation, she's a great model for an unconventional Protector.

[X] [ARMOUR] It should be returned to the Hold it was stolen from, to build strong ties among the Karaz Ankor.

Success breeds jealousy. It seems to me really important that the early days of K8P successfully communicate to the broader dwarven community that Belegar's success doesn't just mean rewards for him and his, but rewards for all of dwarfkind. Defeat their ancient enemies and recover lost treasures.

EDIT: and now that moratorium's been lifted:

[X] [RUNE] 25 Favour Sword

I didn't have strong feelings, but @TotallyNotEvil convinced me. I'm a sucker for a good narrative.

[] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Romance Novels, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Romance Novels, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons. Brettonian Texts: Extensive Romance Novels. Tilean Texts: Extensive Romance Novels.

It is deeply, profoundly important to me that we be 1) a well-equipped court wizard 2) low-key horny on main.

EDIT: 1 is more important to me, which is why I have dropped my vote for this in order to try to compromise on a moderate plan:

[X] [LIBRARY] Imperial Texts: Extensive/Esoteric Skaven, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Greenskin Magic, Antiquarian Grey Magic (2 College Favor), Extensive Amber Magic, Extensive/Esoteric Linguistics, Extensive Warpstone, Extensive Morr, Extensive Karaz Ankor. Dwarf Texts: Extensive Greenskin Magic, Extensive Skaven Magic, Extensive Linguistics, Extensive Daemons

[X] [ENCHANTMENT] No purchase.

If the We sticks around, we'll get Belegar's take on what the budget will cover and what we need ourself.
 
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