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Mechanically the Armor of Von Tarnus is at the base level worse than our Aetheric Armor Robes at magic 9. It counts as light armor and our AA counts as equivalent to plate. It does also provide a +5 ward save on top makes it mildly better since the ward save portion of the enchantment works on things that ignore regular armor, but not that much better IMO.
Yeah, mechanically it just seems worse, which is why I'm wondering about the lore. It seems kind of nonsense for it to be a big deal artefact when a decent casting of a Lesser Magic enchantment is its peer.

Unless it being armour as opposed to robes means that it doesn't take up an enchanted item slot mechanically? But that seems like it's leaning on the abstractions we don't want to look at too closely a bit too much.

Armor of von Tarnus would stack with Aethyric Armour.

[ ] Plan Collegiate Solidarity
-[ ] All eight colleges share at least one magical secret of note and value between each other that they strongly suspect to be of use to more than one type of Wind user.

"Hey mystery cult, stop being a mystery cult and be a sharing cult instead."

No.

-[ ] They also give at least a genuine and thorough consideration of doing more of the same or maybe even generally less intra-College secrecy.

No.

-[ ] The Colleges not yet part of the Waystone Project make sure that they haven't held anything useful they know about Waystones back.

If they held it back, they did so for a reason, and that reason would still exist.

I've been assuming that Battle Wizards cloistering themselves happens for reasons other than fear. If I am correct, just how impactful has the Sylvania decree been on Battle Wizard attrition?

There are Battle Wizards that are dead because of it, if that's what you mean.

@Boney how would a tower compare to airship vis a vis minimal crew requied for peak performance ?

You're naming two things that are currently extremely undefined and asking me to compare hard details about them.

Sure, it gets overused plenty. But if you don't have an explanation like 'unique artifacts', 'it might blow up every time it's used', 'the collateral damage would too great except in the most dire of circumstances' or 'limited resources' to answer the inevitable question of 'why don't they use this awesome thing at every opportunity they have?', the answer will boil down to some variation of 'because they're stupid'. And I can say for certainty that 'because they're stupid' is infinitely more infuriating as an answer than the eyeroll you give at another relic of the oh-so-great ancients that can never be equaled by their descendants.

"They have to do bad writing because if they didn't, they would have to do good writing instead" is not actually that great a defence.

Oh, question @Boney if we go for either the boat or the tower, do we get to give input on at least the aesthetics?

Yes.

I do still wonder how it stacks up against ithilmar, assuming the latter works the same way?

The ithilmar armour you'd be comparing it to doesn't currently exist. It measures up pretty well against literally nothing.

Well tbh, it don't actively know that it stacks with robes, he just said it stacks. But it was the only thing that made sense to me.

But why not ask @Boney does the armor of von tarnus stack in that you can wear enchanted robes/clothes beneath it or just that it's stacks with a casting of mage armor?

It stacks with casting. Considering its entire purpose is redundant unless the wearer is capable of casting, I don't see an actual practical difference between the two.

Would it be possible to, using the way stones and insight into how they work to channel the winds, develop a version of the teleporter, that we could build in each of the provinces of the empire (probably in or near each of their capitals)? Imagine it would be something like a fortified Temple, defended by wizards and elite troops from each province, but it would allow not only wizards to travel but also small amounts of elite warriors.

You would need a way to transform someone into Winds, and then to transform them back into their original form. Developing this seems fraught.
 
Something about the update came to me just now. Feldmann must be wondering a little just how much that deal with Mathilde regarding apparition spells may have contributed to the study of Aethyric Vitae. No wonder she was so willing to give up so many skaven study materials, she had something better in the background being worked on.
 
You would need a way to transform someone into Winds, and then to transform them back into their original form. Developing this seems fraught.
I was thinking more of the winds being a power source for the teleporter, and the actual teleporting would be through liminal realms essentially stretching between each of the sites. Would that be possible, or am I misunderstanding how little realms work and the capabilities?
 
Jesus fucking Christ you people talk a lot (he says, hypocritically).

Of the "cash this in for one big favor" options, I think I like the Armor of von Tarnus the best, since it saves us the effort of figuring out how to improve on our robes and stacks with our Aethyric Armour. Plus, the mental image of us rolling up to Nagarythe in armor and a greatsword, being perceived as a pure warrior, and then casually tossing out high-level Ulgu is a great one.

I am deeply uninterested in a flying base of any kind and will actively vote against it. "Support in dispatching battle wizards to one major conflict of Mathilde's choice" also sounds good -- we can use that for either Nexus reclamation or to assist the dwarves (though I suspect the dwarves would not be super thrilled about their propensity to cause high-octane magical weirdness even when they aren't blowing up).

I intend to sit down today and figure out if there is a line-item request that would be good instead of one big favor.
Something about the update came to me just now. Feldmann must be wondering a little just how much that deal with Mathilde regarding apparition spells may have contributed to the study of Aethyric Vitae. No wonder she was so willing to give up so many skaven study materials, she had something better in the background being worked on.
Feldmann must be nerdraging hard, I think. He has no reason to believe we were interested in Apparitions before he told us about them -- we didn't know the Hounds were Apparitions, after all. But then the Golds sold the secret to us, and it looks an awful lot from his perspective like we then started investigating it, got curious about the properties of Apparition blood, and casually solved two major secrets of the Colleges using an insight the Golds already had. Incredible levels of malding.
 
Aboard the Dreadnought Protector
How have I misses this before, it's great! Damm threadmark shifting

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It's funny, because they could

[] Rainbow throng for second Silver Roads war
[] Rainbow throng for Skaven hellwars

Still not sure if that might not blow back on our dwarf rep if some fool miscasts on battlefield with dwarves but... You know. Collegiate marching to war would be cool. First is soon-ish, second is god knows when.
I misread "throng" and my mind went way off tangent

How far could we go with this?

[ ]: Say, how about a betrothal with Teclis.
Be an intresting twist on one of my MAGDA WESSEN stories, we're not Teclis' bride-price, he is our!

Since it's unlikely our tower will ever be attacked
Laughs

There are so many beasties that can fly, and would attack a floating anything on sight, it's not funny.

but also allows us to make Marienburg shit bricks.

Marienburger: "They got so fed up with their navy having to pay tolls they started to make their ships fly?"

The future of the Empire as a major naval power rests in our hands people, we must rise to meet this challenge.
The equivalent of driving your new ride by your rival's house so they get jealous, except we're flying a magical and armed ship over their city.

I am slightly surprised that some variety of Book is not leading the discussion.
Böök is eternal, but... we can always do with shiny stuff.

My suggestion is a magical tower... that can transform into an airship... or a giant mammoth mech.

Pleases the largest number of people.
 
Obvious fallback option is just to convert to ordinary College Favor, but that's boring as hell.

Has anyone compiled a list of potentially worthwhile magical secrets to ask for?

Possibly ask for someone to go handle the Iron Orcs problem so we can bring a Damsel in, but all that's doing is saving an AP and removing an adventure arc, so I'm not sure that'd be worthwhile.

Could look to convert into political favors with groups each college has influence with? Pop open a new Favor Economy section?
 
@Boney , did you see my ideas? Are they viable?

-Assistance with windherder research

-collaborate on extracting non-dhar knowledge from the skaven(engineering, medicinal, strategic about shared enemies, etc)

-collaboration with cython on researching a way to achieve their "next step" of attunement to a wind. I.e. becoming more magical and less material
 
-Assistance with windherder research

Can be done with CF, we even have the rates.

-collaborate on extracting non-dhar knowledge from the skaven(engineering, medicinal, strategic about shared enemies, etc)

Is already being done by the Gold College.

-collaboration with cython on researching a way to achieve their "next step" of attunement to a wind. I.e. becoming more magical and less material

This has been asked before and the answer was that while study into the precise mechanisms to soul transformation would likely be worthwhile there really aren't any ethical paths open to do the testing. Not a lot of people cuing up to let you violently poke their souls in the name of science.
 
I think I'm currently leaning towards Flying Tower over Von Tarnus' armour, but one benefit of the latter is that if we have it on us, we also have the opportunity to examine it and see if we can figure out how the enchantment works.
 
To be fair to GW that is more of a general fantasy thing which is inherited from the related myth of the Golden Age.
Ehhhhh... I think that's too narrow an origin you're attributing there.

Sometimes unique loot from a lost age happens for narrative constraint reasons that loot, of many kinds, can be viewed as a sort of timeskip-in-a-box.
You could show a protagonist working for years to get rich, or have him find a chest of coins or an ancient inheritance. You could show a protagonist working for years to get swole, or have him find a super soldier serum that buffs him over night. You could show a protagonist working for years to study a topic, or have him find a memory crystal that dumps its knowledge into his brain. And so on.
These are useful storytelling tools because they allow an author to level up one character without progressing the whole setting, keeping time-sensitive things fresh and working elsewhere. Xianxia stories in particular have a tendency to shower the protagonist with timeskip-in-a-box pills, to compress the centuries of training allegedly needed to become a Spirit-Severing Sword Saint or whatever, into the timespan of building a relationship with the love interest. :tongue:

But in order to level up one character (or a small handful) rather than the whole setting, the loot has to be limited in quantity and near irreproducible to avoid a plothole. Maybe the super soldier serum kills most people who take it, or the memory crystal has burned out after use, or there's just one of the thing in existence for other reasons.

Sometimes authors just move on and disregard the plothole (cough, superhero comics, far too many things should be distributed and aren't), sometimes a flavor of 'lost golden age' is used as the explanation for the loot, sometimes there's other explanations like 'crashed alien ship' which it's reasonable for Earth to only have one of. This isn't all inherited from the myth of the Golden Age, it has its own reasons to exist.
 
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Of the "cash this in for one big favor" options, I think I like the Armor of von Tarnus the best, since it saves us the effort of figuring out how to improve on our robes and stacks with our Aethyric Armour. Plus, the mental image of us rolling up to Nagarythe in armor and a greatsword, being perceived as a pure warrior, and then casually tossing out high-level Ulgu is a great one.

A note here, we do not really know high level Ulgu by elf standards, we know two low battle magic spells which is respectable, but not pinnacle of the art or anything.
 
Honestly with the talk of getting out of the Vow of Poverty and the Airship/Tower vote I just want this scene.


"It's a flying death library! How is that obeying the Vow of Poverty?!"
"It is of immediate and practical use."
"How?"
"I understand it is very good for say... sleeping in?"
"That's what Inns are for."
"Transport?"
"God invented Horses for a reason. Anyway don't you have some magic horse spell?"
"And of course immediate access to reseach materials is always useful to a Lady Magister."
"Poor people do not own flying death fortresses."
"I think it might technically belong to the EIC? They just loaned it to Lady Magister Weber. Permenently."
"AARGH!"
 
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