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For me, it would stop being cool if it's not useful. It'd make me think of a billionaire buying a fancier yacht, and that's the opposite of cool.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
Its one thing to have artifacts from an ancient golden age that got devastated by catastrophic disaster be hard to reproduce. It another when some guy a few years ago built something in a collegiate environment, but the moment hes missing its suddenly an impossible to reproduce masterpiece noone can understand. Then it's just ridiculous.
Mechanically the Armor of Von Tarnus is at the base level worse than our Aetheric Armor Robes at magic 9. It counts as light armor and our AA counts as equivalent to plate. It does also provide a +5 ward save on top makes it mildly better since the ward save portion of the enchantment works on things that ignore regular armor, but not that much better IMO.
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More seriously I tend to either guaranteed high skill partners that cost no CF for Windherding experiments or more sharing of useful secrets between the Colleges themselves. Mathilde could have chosen both Orb making and Liminal Realm making/expanding to be a Grey Order guild secret. But she didn't. And that she didn't is very likely to be more positive than negative to both the study of magic and the strength of the Empire as a whole. While all Colleges should retain the rights to keep dangerous or embarrassing stuff on a need to know basis, pure academic achievements and magical techniques should be shared, at least to a much wider degree.
So maybe something along these lines:
[ ] Plan Collegiate Solidarity
-[ ] All eight colleges share at least one magical secret of note and value between each other that they strongly suspect to be of use to more than one type of Wind user.
-[ ] They also give at least a genuine and thorough consideration of doing more of the same or maybe even generally less intra-College secrecy.
-[ ] The Colleges not yet part of the Waystone Project make sure that they haven't held anything useful they know about Waystones back.
-[ ] Top enchanters of the Colleges are periodically available for multi-Wind enchantment projects with Mathilde.
@Boney Does this work or is it too many requests in one?
] The Principality of MarienburgMore seriously I tend to either guaranteed high skill partners that cost no CF for Windherding experiments or more sharing of useful secrets between the Colleges themselves. Mathilde could have chosen both Orb making and Liminal Realm making/expanding to be a Grey Order guild secret. But she didn't. And that she didn't is very likely to be more positive than negative to both the study of magic and the strength of the Empire as a whole. While all Colleges should retain the rights to keep dangerous or embarrassing stuff on a need to know basis, pure academic achievements and magical techniques should be shared, at least to a much wider degree.
So maybe something along these lines:
[ ] Plan Collegiate Solidarity
-[ ] All eight colleges share at least one magical secret of note and value between each other that they strongly suspect to be of use to more than one type of Wind user.
-[ ] They also give at least a genuine and thorough consideration of doing more of the same or maybe even generally less intra-College secrecy.
-[ ] The Colleges not yet part of the Waystone Project make sure that they haven't held anything useful they know about Waystones back.
-[ ] Top enchanters of the Colleges are periodically available for multi-Wind enchantment projects with Mathilde.
@Boney Does this work or is it too many requests in one?
I've been assuming that Battle Wizards cloistering themselves happens for reasons other than fear. If I am correct, just how impactful has the Sylvania decree been on Battle Wizard attrition?
The art of creating bespoke airship runes might be lost. But I'm sure that Barrak Varr has access to ship runes that may be applicable whether said ship navigates water or air.
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Hummm.
@Boney how would a tower compare to airship vis a vis minimal crew requied for peak performance ?
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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Sure, it gets overused plenty. But if you don't have an explanation like 'unique artifacts', 'it might blow up every time it's used', 'the collateral damage would too great except in the most dire of circumstances' or 'limited resources' to answer the inevitable question of 'why don't they use this awesome thing at every opportunity they have?', the answer will boil down to some variation of 'because they're stupid'. And I can say for certainty that 'because they're stupid' is infinitely more infuriating as an answer than the eyeroll you give at another relic of the oh-so-great ancients that can never be equaled by their descendants.
For an example, every single actually useful starship and combat vehicle the Galactic Empire was offered in Star Wars and refused to use in mainline service because the Tarkin Doctrine deemed they 'didn't look scary enough'.
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Yeah, mechanically it just seems worse, which is why I'm wondering about the lore. It seems kind of nonsense for it to be a big deal artefact when a decent casting of a Lesser Magic enchantment is its peer.
Unless it being armour as opposed to robes means that it doesn't take up an enchanted item slot mechanically? But that seems like it's leaning on the abstractions we don't want to look at too closely a bit too much.
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NuclearConsensus
Herald of the Thorned One
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I'm still mainly for a flying something, airship or tower doesn't matter, but I will admit that the Armor of Von Tarnus has me intrigued. The fact that it'll stack on top of Mathilde's robes is a big advantage. That, plus the opportunity to study it and potentially gain insights that'll help Mathilde whenever she makes new robes with the spidersilk that's coming out.
Would "A dispensation for the study of using Dhar to manipulate the standard winds and vice versa" be a specific enough ask to not be shot or laughed out of the room? Mostly with Waystone and Windherding nonsense in mind.
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Most things can't get to the flying ship/tower, period.
Most of the things that can, are not significantly greater threat to the ship than to a tower.
The few things that can get up to the ship, and be a significant threat to it, would also be a threat to the tower, and tower has less ability to just not be there.
Main advantage of a tower over a ship is to become an immobile hardpoint that is able to withstand a protractd siege/battle.
While ships main advantage is to got the places at much higher speed than tower, with much greater supplies than riding or gyrocopter would allow.
Well for one thing you can dispell AA, you can't dispell armor being armor so there is that. That said I think We silk might be able to manage light armor that technically still counts as robes due to the lightness and strength of the material alone.
Boney already said why it's so mythical, it stacks. You can wear it and enchanted robes at the same time.
Oops, missed that. Yeah that is pretty impressive, it would make our protections the equivalent of gromril plate with a respectable ward save on top.
It is very tempting but I do like the idea of getting some ilthimar armor and then throwing it at one of our runesmiths. I want to see those two arts combined!
There's the old question of whether or not the Ambers and the Jades use apparitions in their spells. This update seems to rather heavily imply that the answer is yes at least for the Jades, and their secret might be of particular interest to Mathilde: the Golds think they use The Whispering Darkness, and if so they seem to be doing something fancier than the Golds method of "just put a coat of Gold paint on it", which could be useful if we ever want to try and make some apparition fog-kill spell.
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Oh, I understood that to mean it stacked with a casting of Aethyric Armour, not being able to have enchanted robes at the same time! That's great then, objections withdrawn about it being a big deal. I do still wonder how it stacks up against ithilmar, assuming the latter works the same way?
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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My vote is for a lot of resources to be devoted to researching and refining the aetheric vitae.
Or alternatively book.
Or alternatively book.
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I am willing to vote for anything.
So long as it's an airship.
So long as it's an airship.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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I think ive said this before, but 'fantasy in space' is essentially what 40k always was. the very first 40k material, which was a piece of rogue trader fiction, was a much more blatant copy paste of fantasy. Everything since then has alternated between obscuring that and leaning into it.
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Not going to lie the combat min-maxer in me does want to go for the armor, but it feels a bit too much like 'numbers go up' for a reward as impactful as AV, a research project that has spanned the whole quest.
I've been waiting to see what form this line would take for years.
It does tickle the imagination, doesn't it?
Well tbh, it don't actively know that it stacks with robes, he just said it stacks. But it was the only thing that made sense to me.
But why not ask @Boney does the armor of von tarnus stack in that you can wear enchanted robes/clothes beneath it or just that it's stacks with a casting of mage armor?
avatar11792
Et Sic Incipit
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Actually, this isn't a terrible idea for the Empire as well as ourselves in any wizards.
Would it be possible to, using the way stones and insight into how they work to channel the winds, develop a version of the teleporter, that we could build in each of the provinces of the empire (probably in or near each of their capitals)? Imagine it would be something like a fortified Temple, defended by wizards and elite troops from each province, but it would allow not only wizards to travel but also small amounts of elite warriors.
Obviously if these teleporters needed a lot of power we could tap into the way stones for as much power as we would need, but we also now have the ability to make these orbs of our own, so essentially we could run them off batteries even in the event of a siege by hostile forces that cut us off from the winds.
Also occurs to me that we could establish at least one outlying teleporter station in friendly Nations, such as Kislev, Brettonia, even potentially Karak Eight Peaks at some location that the Dawi are okay with this building on.
The strategic benefits of these would be immense. Imagine having the ability to rapidly call on friendly supporting forces from almost any location, they use the Winds in the local area this further reducing what gets outputted to the Vortex and the world in general, and would create unprecedented amounts of mobility for Imperial elite troops and wizards on a scale never seen.
Granted, I am assuming there will be limitations to this. You probably could not teleport whole armies for instance, that's why I'm assuming small amounts of elite troops. I'm assuming there would be a limit of 50 to 100 people at a time, and the recharge time I'm assuming would be significant. But still, 50 to 100 wizards, or other kinds of elite troops, that's a lot of potential firepower and badassery that you can shuffle around the board at will. Heck, imagine teleporting all Imperial steam tanks across the Empire at will! That's a heck of a lot of firepower being dumped on somebody's head with little to no warning.
This would be a version of a mega project, that we could legitimately claim is inspired by what the Dawi have created and what we have seen of them in our adventures. Not only would this be tremendously useful to us in our travels, but it would also be of immense strategic benefit for the Empire and the strengthening of the forces of order. Friendly Nations could much easier come to the aid of the Empire and vice versa, if Brettonia has some massive issue the Empire could send troops to them if need be.
Obviously this is such a large scale mega project that it goes beyond the realm of wizards and into Imperial and international politics. This would become an issue that the Colleges would have to not only present to the Emperor and the Elector Counts, but also present a united front on supporting building to aid the Empire and it's military efforts.
Mathilde I imagine does not necessarily have to be at the forefront of said proposal, just that she was the one who created the circumstances for building it and was the one who proposed the project. I figure that's enough credit that we should take on our own, and the benefits of establishing a teleporter Network would be of such monumental positive change for so long into the future that it would pretty much cement our name into history even for non-wizards.
Anyways, what do y'all think?
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Tasoli
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