Adrian XXIV
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How much Sigmarite Priesthood will be enraged if Mathilde named her Airship/Flying Tower "Sigmar's Subtlety"? 😉😈😈
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Damnit I'm torn between a tower and a airship. The tower would give much more room to build superweapons but not being as mobile would prohibit it from anything but big campaigns. The ship on the other hand could swoop in to whatever interested us whenever, no setup needed, but would be more cramped...
Depends how big the ship is!
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Honestly, besides the Flying Tower, I'd most definitely support the notion of a Wizard Emperor, and having the Collages push to be more mainstream. Which is technically quite risky due to unrest, given the that the Everchosen Bowl is going on, and I can already see some people being turned of the grounds of not wanting a Wizard Emperor.
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Warhammer is infamously full of artefacts with one of a kind 'lost technique' effects. I'm aware we can commission something new - I brought it up in my first comment. What I'm asking is if anyone with more familiarity with the wargame is aware of some existing item with such an effect that we might want. Because we can always commission enchanters for new items, but a boon like this is the only way to get stuff that the colleges own but dont know how to reproduce. Stuff like Elspeths trapped god-bits.
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Omegahugger
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Unfortunately, Lore of the Deep is both a Total War exclusive and not something the colleges are likely to have notes on.
I like the style of it, though. It would've been a worthy addition to Mathilde's arsenal.
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I think the elfcation fans might start a riot if we start talking about how we should delay it until our cool airship is complete...
If we could ask for an exemption on Dhar use, I'd sooner go for something like permission to go back to the "Ulgu tongs to manipulate other Winds, Dhar being necessarily involved to bind the two Winds together" thing - iirc, Mathilde seemed to consider it fairly safe and doable without the typical risks of corruption. The problem was just that it would break the Articles.a few people said:
I think "ulgu tongs that involve Dhar but dont actually wield it" would be an easier sell than a straight up Dhar exemption(especially when Dhar's attractant properties have already been accepted in Waystones), would be more useful, and is a place where official permission would actually be very valuable because it would be much easier to figure out how to wield other Winds with the support of the Colleges dedicated to those Winds.
...but, well, "easier sell" is an extremely relative statement here. Accepting the involvement of Dhar in Waystones, which are a known quantity and also necessary for saving the world, is one thing. Accepting the involvement of Dhar in Mathilde's pet project would be quite another.
So yeah, I'm deeply skeptical that we can ask for even that without getting torched, because, uh, the Articles are kind of a big deal. I don't think asking for any kind of "Dhar permission" is remotely viable here.
Somic
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As an Elfcation fan, this is the only delay I could accept nowI think the elfcation fans might start a riot if we start talking about how we should delay it until our cool airship is complete...
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They know the difference between human flying towers and druchii black arcs. Especially since asur have their own flying towers and villas.
Mopman43
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@Boney, could we use this Boon to have Dwarfs from Karaz-a-Karak work together with the Colleges to create a commensurately grander airship?
I'm imagining that the Colleges would be able to manage greater magical wonders if the airship is kept in the air by liftgas instead of purely magic.
pucflek
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The thing about Boneycanon is that such lost techniques are not always lost, and may occassionally be surpassed. While Von Tarnus was an incredible genius of enchanting, there is precisely zero reason why someone from the collegiate might not be able to surpass his work. And his work is the Armour you mentioned and Silver Seal, an incredibly potent warding amulet.
Combining boons was mentioned and i think the verdict was that one boon would make something as good as it could possibly be.
Dhar poisoning goes beyond dhar poisoning. The mindset necessary to wield it is inherently cancerous, so while it would not be compounded by actual metaphysical corruption, it would still take toll.
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Somic
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Imo, a blimp just wouldn't be anywhere near as stylish. It takes a huge amount of liftgas to lift a comparatively smaller weight, the aesthetics are completely different (and, imo, inferior in coolness when we could actually have a fully flying airship)
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I feel that needing liftgas creates 2 weaknesses.
You need liftgas, and therefore need to refuel.
You need liftgas, and therefore can be grounded by fairly mundane means.
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Since the first half of the update, where we reminisce about Van Hal's fall from grace, reminded me, I'll ask:
If we ask for 'retroactive permission to study the Liber Mortis', how many steps will we be allowed to take out of this room?
If we ask for 'retroactive permission to study the Liber Mortis', how many steps will we be allowed to take out of this room?
pucflek
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All of those necessary to reach a dungeon i expect
I don't think you can do that. To turn a wind into dhar, you need another wind. That's why the colleges are mono-wind environments. If you force a wind to stay in place, you either have an enchantment or a type of power stone.
pucflek
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Or it slowly becomes earthbound.
The talisman slot has the belt. You could replace it if you wanted to.
No. Their secrets are still their secrets. You can barter for access to individual ones, but not the whole slate.
Funding for what? Backing how?
You might be able to get specific dispensations to investigate specific things, but not carte blanche to touch the magic that turns you evil when you touch it.
No. That would be a lot of extremely powerful Wizards that could otherwise be out doing a lot of good for the Empire that you'd have just twiddling their thumbs.
Mathilde would have to learn how to move in armour, but yes.
Armour of von Tarnus would stack.
Not in absolute terms, but it could, say, have more destructive power because it's better attuned to causing destruction than the original Wind was.
Probably not. I don't see something as large as an airship being one 'item' that a single Rune could encompass, I think artillery is about the size limit. Though their could be 'airship runes' in the sense of runes designed to be applied to specific parts of an airship.
The Collegiate perspective would be that 'Ulgu Tongs' already exists in the form of the Grey Wizard in question putting down their spellbook and going and talking to another Wizard and asking them to cast the spell from another Wind that needs casting.
Maximum grandness would already be achieved without needing to bring your own to the pot.
pucflek
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Okay so Talisman is out, but Armour of von Tarnus now seems like it would make us stonks as fuck. So thats cool.
But yeah i take your point
EDIT: Honestly, the sort of runes one puts on Airship sounds more like the lost art of clothes-runes. Runes to put on fabric that Mathilde once mentioned. There is a lot of reinforcing a fabric of the coat of the blimp could use. Could be that the loss of Gas Forges is why they are lost in the first place. Runes of Preservation are always better put on armour, since, well, it would stack. So no reason to put them on shirts and tunics, and now that airships are lost, no reason to put them into canvas either.
So the art gets lost.
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But yeah i take your pointEDIT: Honestly, the sort of runes one puts on Airship sounds more like the lost art of clothes-runes. Runes to put on fabric that Mathilde once mentioned. There is a lot of reinforcing a fabric of the coat of the blimp could use. Could be that the loss of Gas Forges is why they are lost in the first place. Runes of Preservation are always better put on armour, since, well, it would stack. So no reason to put them on shirts and tunics, and now that airships are lost, no reason to put them into canvas either.
So the art gets lost.
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