More than fair though I am curious why is AV to the dwarfs OK? Is it just because the dwarfs are more trusted or would AV just be seen as less of a weapon in and of itself? Or should we just not tell our superiors what we have been doing with the stuff?
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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More than fair though I am curious why is AV to the dwarfs OK? Is it just because the dwarfs are more trusted or would AV just be seen as less of a weapon in and of itself? Or should we just not tell our superiors what we have been doing with the stuff?
I suspect we might benefit from inertia on this front, but I would not be surprised if restrictions on AV export might go into effect.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Mathilde isn't aging normally because she's read the original Liber Mortis from cover to cover. That is something I just came up with.
Studying "The ashes of a dead god" or "The Original Liber Mortis" seem like they might get you to the same place versus old age.
(This may or may not also be a 'One Ring' sort of deal where we also get to live that long because we're serving as the owner and guardian of the book equivalent of a nuclear bomb.)
So it's subtle now because she's plausibly spry, but in forty more years I think we're going to start getting the same looks Elspeth gets.
Studying "The ashes of a dead god" or "The Original Liber Mortis" seem like they might get you to the same place versus old age.
(This may or may not also be a 'One Ring' sort of deal where we also get to live that long because we're serving as the owner and guardian of the book equivalent of a nuclear bomb.)
So it's subtle now because she's plausibly spry, but in forty more years I think we're going to start getting the same looks Elspeth gets.
The Liber Mortis does not seem to be inherently magical other than the Dhar based protections on the cover and if those tried to do something to Mathilde Kragg's belt would have burned it off (and probably exploded the book).
Because they're Dwarves. They were allies of the Empire since before there was an Empire. They taught the Empire how to make steel and gunpowder. The average province of the Empire is more of a foreign power than the Karaz Ankor is.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Hey, he's one of the oldest people in existence, assuming we want to consider him 'alive'. Active, perhaps? Anyway, everyone knows the older you are, the less fucks you give about things like 'social niceties' and 'the laws of reality'.
- Dwarfs will look upon our grey hair and think 'its a shame she wont ever get white hair like Valaya, but at least it shows how venerable she is'.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
Grimoires provide magical effects to their readers, and of all of them the books of Necromancy have consistently been the most proactive and nasty to the unworthy.
Willingly sitting down with one of the top ten such artifacts to ever exist and reading it cover to cover is something that we wouldn't expect to be getting out of if it were any of the other nine articles. (Especially given the belief amongst many that if we were to invite such a force into ourselves willingly, like by sitting down and reading a book of dark magic cover to cover, the protection against Dhar would just stop working for some reason.)
(But if you want to argue plausibility, the notion of not having to do anything beyond being a wizard to extend our lifespan in the first place is more objectionable, given the perennial suffering of vain sorceresses everywhere. In this paradigm, what would we consider Neferata's motivation?)
Adrian XXIV
Average User, from Poland
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Btw, do there are any Human (or just non-Chorf) worshippers of Hashut?
To be as untouched by age as the Liche Priests, as hard to kill as Nagash... and also not look like a corpse. That would take more than natural longevity to manage.
Nope he only takes Chaos Dwarfs. That is why we were not really worried to find Hashut books n the Elemtalist haul.
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- To the left. No, not there, the other left.
Just make a parachute out of spider silk
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Too skilled to acquire arcane mark perhaps?
EDIT: Perhaps the funniest shit would be Mathilde being the only wizard with dwarf enough mindset to believe herself into being just like them and just getting hardier by getting older. If its all about expectations, eh?
EDIT2: Honestly i don't want to look gift horse in the mouth. If Mathilde has more than 15 years of still swinging her sword with strenght, vim and vigour then by all means i shall not question it.
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Parabola
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Mathilde's Liber Mortis is a trap-less, edited translation into Reikspiel of the original, which was presumably in High Nehekharan. It's technically not one of the top ten articles on Necromancy from which all necromantic insight is derived.
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No. No it is not. Liber Mortis is not one of the Books of Nagash, which would be in High Nehekharan. It is an original work based on Nagash's teachings as taught by Vashanesh of Khemri (= Vlad von Carstein) to Frederick Van Hal. And it is explicitly trapless as it started out as personal diary and was never intended to be seen by anyone else but the author(s)
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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I mean yeah, its not one of the books of nagash. Its objectively superior. All of the insight, none of the baggage.
Xexilf
Oblivion Sempiternum Daemonis
A lot of necromancers seem to live a very long time without going full undead, for a given value of living. It's extremely unlikely any of the underlying theory could be used without heavy dhar nonsense however.
For somewhat resisting old age, normal healing magic can probably make you last a bit, and we got a hint from the Empress about schmoozing up to Shallyans can also help a lot, but those alone would probably only serve to buy you a few decades, not make you immortal. If that can be done at all without evil bullshit it's probably either via direct divine intervention, or maybe with Qhaysh, if anyone would have ever researched that. Assuming we need it somehow instead of just slowly becoming an Ulgu elemental, our best bet is probably to build a massive amount of divine favor, though I'm not sure how much Ranald would like that plan unless you make it exceedingly funny somehow.
For somewhat resisting old age, normal healing magic can probably make you last a bit, and we got a hint from the Empress about schmoozing up to Shallyans can also help a lot, but those alone would probably only serve to buy you a few decades, not make you immortal. If that can be done at all without evil bullshit it's probably either via direct divine intervention, or maybe with Qhaysh, if anyone would have ever researched that. Assuming we need it somehow instead of just slowly becoming an Ulgu elemental, our best bet is probably to build a massive amount of divine favor, though I'm not sure how much Ranald would like that plan unless you make it exceedingly funny somehow.
If you could gild your brain that would make you fully immortal, magically perfect animate gold does not age. Also Liche Priests do not use Dhar and that are some of the oldest non Slaan mages on the planet with many of them being older than any vampire or Nagash.
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- Canada
"Roswita! There's something dangerous and necromantic buried in Sylvania probably!"
"...yes?"
This is blatant Green Hashut erasure.
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While I was really hoping for the return of Two Gifts Day, this is understandable and I am sure I will love the scene regardless.
Back when I had only recently joined the quest this was the first idea I had for a Windherding enchantment:
I wasn't sure if the "Try it and find out™" meant it was confirmed we can do it so I didn't include it on my list of approved spells, but reflecting on it now that was more likely Boney not wanting to nail down the details of the spell before we have voted to actually make it and he's rolled on how well it goes.
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Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
He got carried out by his subordinates. Presumably they reported what they saw, or Elspeth may have done digging on her own into her predecessor's shady shit. Unless she comes to us for an outside social action to ask us to go digging, not our problem.
So we can get the Eonir the Nordland Elector vote, and everything will be...
...dangit. Back to the drawing board.
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- Actually pretty lost
Is it worth asking the dwarves if they have any use for Orbs of Sorcery? Probably no one wants to be the next Alaric the Mad, but I have previously thought about whether he'd have needed to turn to Warpstone if he'd had a power stone or Orb of Sorcery to try out, first.
Mopman43
Mountain-Hermit of Nitpeak
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- Vermont
While the Eonir becoming a full province of the Empire would be one solution(?), you would have to manage the necessary step of convincing the Eonir that they should become legal subjects of the Empire and their queen merely of equal standing to 10 humans and a halfling.
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Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
Get them the third Sigmarite vote as well, that way they're only of equal political standing to one human.
That's the sort of thing that you'd negotiate very quietly with an individual Runelord instead of with the Karaz Ankor as a whole, and the ones in Mathilde's social circle aren't all that radical so are unlikely to be interested.
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Ah, that's fair.
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I mean, given that the only known source is in a dwarf hold hundreds of miles away from the empire, it's going to be somewhat hard to enforce. And since it's a definite military resource for the dwarves, they might frown on it leaving even if they had no right to do anything about it.
This is the reason I think people are going to come to us to try and join WEBMAT, so they can research it, rather than us bringing a volatile magical to them in the colleges.
I really dislike this trope, tbh. It feels like mid-century sexism, and too much like the "a man spent months painting a beautiful woman, then put a mirror in her hand and called the painting 'vanity'" joke- men projecting an obsession with women's appearance onto the women and then blaming them for it.
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