I mean, if there really is such a thing as an oldest trick in the book, "distract them by doing flashy stuff with one hand so no one looks at the sneaky stuff the other is pulling" is almost certainly it.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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"I don't know what her real deal is and I frankly don't want to know given that she reclaimed Karak Eight Peaks as a distraction".
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Eh I think that people do believe that was the main point... But vlag? That was pure distraction, who knows what chaos gribbly she actually killed while everyone was being distracted by the literal second dwarf hold!
I mean typically speaking, a thief does not have their target's blessing to do their work.
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Very few of the Dwarves that emerged are old enough to understand why the gyrocarriages are any more unusual than anything else about the world, and those few that do tend to be pretty numb.
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Speaking of the younger generations, I remember the representative we talked to before being curious about alcohol but also slightly baffled about what the big deal was about it. Do they got karak-wide acces to it by this point? And if so what's the consensus among the ones that didn't grow up with it? Is there a majority opinion, either negative or positive, or is there currently debate going on?
The most common opinion is that some forms of alcohol are part of Dwarven culture, and so they drink some on important occasions to show that they still value their connection to Dwarven culture. They don't really see the appeal of drinking large quantities of it, because altered states are generally associated with daemonic assault.
I mean, you say that as a joke, but behind the scenes she struck one of the greatest blows to Skaven sneakiness ever and kicked off (albeit unintentionally through an introduction) the first part of the Marienburg Bypass.
Both of which are (or will be), from an imperial perspective, at least as impactful as the new fully functioning hold in the far south.
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And the second part that is on the way. As soon as Kislev finishes it, entire Oldworld will become an island.
Let that sink in, Mathilde and her friends split a continent in two thereby turning western part which is siz of europe in to an island. It doesn't get better than that.
Just to talk about becoming the center of a WAAAAAAAGH!!! benefits/costs, we should keep in mind that we stopped the Only Gork/Only Mork split. Which means any subsequent divine heists will have Ranald facing Mork and Gork, rather than just one.
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That's a very charitable definition of an island, but as long as saying that makes Marienburg mad, I can't disagree.
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I am pretty sure that what Egrimm and Kas are talking about is the Dammerlictreiher business.
Some people in or near Stirland, actively sell or buy or use little idols of a grey cloaked rider on a horse with a witch hunter hat.
Matilde is woefully (or maybe willfully) blind to the extent of it I think.
I am uncertain if she is beginning to be worshipped almost as a minor deity (I am especially curious if there are any mechanical effects of this), or if this kind of hero worship is somehow completely distinct from that.
If this worship was of Alric, then this is the kind of thing that Alric would have lapped up, and bringing it up frequently might have been simply expected of Egrimm.
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I am pretty sure Jack O'the Sea started as similar hero worship that eventually become an aspect of the Ranald.
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It takes way more for something like that, I think. If it were as simple as being hero-worshiped, Magnus would be a god himself, wouldn't he? Even if it was just a minor one subordinate to Sigmar.
Mathilde is still several steps below that.
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I suppose it is a matter where you are. In places where strong and unified tamples to gods exist you won't get worshipped as god, but if there is spiritual void, it is possible to fill it with heroes. That is the how Jack O'the Sea come to be in the Sartosa. In fact let me grab it;
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Perhaps! And perhaps Magnus would not have wanted to be worshiped.
But it's also possible that Jack O' the Sea was Ranald in the first place, and that his ascendancy is just a story, much like how the whole bit about Ranald becoming a god by tricking Shallya is also a story.
Edit: So Ranald creates Sartosa somehow (metaphorically?) and to appease Manaan, he puts on a funny pirate hat on and goes pirating every so often.
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I think it's more that the Grey Order had its origins in peasant traditions like the Hedgewise and traveling troupes, and also that they mostly focus on nobles who are abusing their power, which makes them more welcome/accepted in rural communities—less "scary shadow assassin" and more "Grey Guardian".
The Dämmerlichtreiter is just a facet of that—she's Stirland's Guardian, with a face and a name and a legend.
The Dämmerlichtreiter is just a facet of that—she's Stirland's Guardian, with a face and a name and a legend.
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So they're the equivalent of social drinkers.
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I think Ranald would still be up for it to be honest - taking a big gamble on a big heist is firmly in Ranald's sphere.
I also think that the circumstances are different enough that it wouldn't be as big if a risk as last time. Back then, Ranald was pulled into the situation and came up with something on the spot, in the middle of what was pretty firmly greenskin divine home turf. Were we to try and repeat something similar, it'd be with advance warning of what was happening, and on sacred grounds that Ranald arguably has a stronger claim to than Mork in the first place.
That's just me engaging with the hypothetical though. In reality, unless Mathilde somehow gets herself benignly possessed again - probably not a great idea - any godly showdowns are probably going to be more in the manner of how Ranald usurped Stromfels' sacred site, except with Ranald having a territorial advantage he didn't back then.
It might not be the safest course of action for Mathilde - see what happened to the poor OG Wolf - but I didn't get the impression that either god was in mortal peril back then.
By Dwarf standards they might as well be practicing abstinence.
Honestly im pretty sure all other karaks give vlag lots of leway (?) for not knowing the proper traditions, doing things differently and some such.
Vlag being back is a wonder no one even dreamed of happening and there being actual loyal normal order dwarfs in there is even more of a wonder.
So weirdness gets (rightfully) excused as "they've been on the realm of chaos for a few generations..."
@Boney would the dwarfs be interested in the auditory Seviroscope? I figure most holds would have no use for it, they keep the magic out, but rangers on patrol might and so might some of the surface settlements like the Watchtower Clans and whoever is going to end up guarding the Waystones in the Blackwater.
There's a Rune for that.
Good to know. The reason I asked was so that if they did have an interest in it the thread would know and maybe consider a form that's ranger-portable, but since they already have runes that's OK either way.