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People in poorest areas, where survival is fraught, tend to birth more progeny so that at least some will make it to adulthood. That ironically means that atrocious living conditions can lead into overpopulation.
That is true until you take child mortality rates into account. I don't actually want to know the child mortality rate in fucking praag but I am assuming a stupidly high number.
What part of 'there are people living in the slums' says to you those people have enough money to buy a house? Like...I'm not saying there aren't more people than houses in Praag, I'm saying that the people who don't have a house probably can't afford to buy one.

Now, 'what about rich people buying them to rent them out?' you might say. And that's fair, but if that's true then most people probably don't have their own house, they're renting. So the renting majority can't move because they don't have any assets to sell and get the money together.
That is a somewhat fair point but doesn't actually impact my own point for that specific argument (it does however go against the easiness of moving away.)
Praag is not emptying out, praag is full, maybe not to bursting but full enough.
 
That is true until you take child mortality rates into account. I don't actually want to know the child mortality rate in fucking praag but I am assuming a stupidly high number.

If the average family has 10 children and the child mortality rate is 70%, well, that can lead in greater than 1 for 1 replacement rates.

70% is absurdly high even for Praag. Like, it would be one of these laughable grimderp statistics people point to and laugh. 10 children per family, on the other hand, is not unheard of in situations like that.
 
If the average family has 10 children and the child mortality rate is 70%, well, that can lead in greater than 1 for 1 replacement rates.

70% is absurdly high even for Praag. 10 children per family, on the other hand, is not unheard of in situations like that.
I personally doubt it, mostly because we probably won't would have gotten a blurb about too many kids or some such.
But that does bring me to another thing I wanted to say, if people really wanted to desperately move out of praag but couldn't, they would at least prepare their children for a better life somewhere, anywhere else.

Again, it's been 250+ years. Several generations! If people desperately wanted to leave praag it wouldn't be as full as it is.
 
I personally doubt it, mostly because we probably won't would have gotten a blurb about too many kids or some such.
But that does bring me to another thing I wanted to say, if people really wanted to desperately move out of praag but couldn't, they would at least prepare their children for a better life somewhere, anywhere else.

Again, it's been 250+ years. Several generations! If people desperately wanted to leave praag it wouldn't be as full as it is.

Ok. I still disagree, but its hard to do so without veering into real life stuff (I already got dangerously close) so I think I'll stop here to be safe.
 
Historically, most cities grew through immigration, and not through child birth. It's quite likely the populace of Praag can't sustain itself. But then, it's likely that neither can the popualtions of Altdorf, Kislev City or L'Anguille.
 
It could be that people are constantly emigrating from Prague but the population too dedicated or too poor to move on are producing enough children to make up for that and even if some of those children emigrate themselves the remainder also produces enough replacement grandchildren and the cycle continues.
 
It could be that people are constantly emigrating from Prague but the population too dedicated or too poor to move on are producing enough children to make up for that and even if some of those children emigrate themselves the remainder also produces enough replacement grandchildren and the cycle continues.
A city like Praag without chaos taint would maintain it's population via a constant stream of people arriving from the countryside. If people stop moving to Praag it'll empty out over a couple of centuries even without anyone moving away.
 
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town
Lots of directly observable good to be done here and it doesn't get uniformed people to associate deployment with an upswing in chaos activity.
 
what really bothers me is how many people have been saying that Mathilde should choose it because it is the most politically convenient and has the least risk of political blowback that could potentially imperil the rollout.

I think that's a bad argument. Even worse, it's un-Mathilde. She's not a political animal and has only played politics very rarely when forced to, and even then in her own inimitable style. Her history is not of careful political maneuvering, but of grand gestures and audacious feats that leave everyone (who knows about them) befuddled and wandering how the hell she accomplished what she just did.
It's a real fladerization of a character. Mathilda isn't diplomat, but she isn't stupid and isn't hero from action films. She can and played politics.

Telling that Mathilda wasn't playing political games is wrong, especially in current arc. Whole Waystone Project is a result of political games. Totem's deal, Laurelorn's negotiation, college's politics. And she did even before it. Conflict with Karak-a-Karaz, choosing a new leader of human community, etc.

In her inner monologue we see that she understand and care about political situation, she don't look down upon political maneuvers, in contrast to our ex Master.

It's easy to focus on grand gestures, but Mathilda's character isn't defined only by them. She is a Grey Wizard, she is a showman, she kinda likes to be seen as this powerful person, and, what's more important, we like it too. But let's not forget that Matilda is more this.
 
It could be that people are constantly emigrating from Prague but the population too dedicated or too poor to move on are producing enough children to make up for that and even if some of those children emigrate themselves the remainder also produces enough replacement grandchildren and the cycle continues.
A city like Praag without chaos taint would maintain it's population via a constant stream of people arriving from the countryside. If people stop moving to Praag it'll empty out over a couple of centuries even without anyone moving away.
It's also very hard for the poor to emigrate from a city. They don't have land, and so can't farm. The only other jobs that exist outside of the city would need an apprenticeship. And apprenticeships usually cost money.
 
[X] Karlsbridge and Old Town

Changing my vote. Making the effects of waystones directly and easily observable will make it much easier to convince other people of their value.
 
That's fair enough, I get that this is up to us. Just, the reason I asked is that the vote options and the way Mathilde discusses them are entirely about the political perception. She's choosing how she presents things, and only that. How much each option will help the people of Praag themselves isn't really something she's put much consideration into, or if she has, it's a strictly secondary. But as a voter, I've found that I personally care less about the politics side of things. The priority to me would be which choice would have the most utility for the people who live in Praag. That's the axis I would prefer to decide upon, but it's not one that the narrative puts direct guidance or focus on.

It's an inherently political choice and I get that, but I guess that's just not me.

The decision for maximum benefit for Praag was taken when Praag was chosen as a place to deploy Waystones to. This choice has no bearing on that because the decision is already made. If it helps, think of this as choosing how to phrase the introduction in this chapter of the history books.
 
It's a real fladerization of a character. Mathilda isn't diplomat, but she isn't stupid and isn't hero from action films. She can and played politics.
I never said she was unaware, or stupid, or that she's never taken political considerations into account. The distinction I was making is that I don't think she's ever made any major decisions based principally on political considerations. Even where she has made decisions that have been politically consequential, the decisions have always been objectively justifiable on their own merits. For example, the choice to base the Waystone project in Laurelorn was completely justifiable just on the promise of the Grey Lords' support. I think the one notable exception is getting Mira's support for the Waystone project by sabotaging Alric; and firstly I don't think that was a major decision; and secondly, once she investigated and found out what was going on the merits of the situation amply justified her intervention and the manner in which she did so hid her involvement.

If you'll forgive the metaphor, she's not a politician who keeps a constant watch on opinion polls and makes decisions based on what they think will make the line go up. She's made decisions based on what she thinks will do the most good, and the accolades have sorted themselves out afterwards.
 
On an unrelated note from the vote, does anybody know why the ruler of Praag is called "Z'ra"? I've tried plugging it into Google Translate through Detect Language, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish, and Czech and found no results. Wiktionary doesn't seem to have an entry for Z'ra, googling for Z'ra gets me nowhere, and putting in "Z'ra" in quotatation marks alongside the keyword ruler just shows Praag's wiki entry as the first result. It seems to be an invention of Warhammer rather than a real word but I don't know why they picked Z'ra instead of something else, was it derived from some word in one of the Eastern European languages they stuck in a blender to make Kislevarin or did they just make something up from some random letters and call it a day?
 
On an unrelated note from the vote, does anybody know why the ruler of Praag is called "Z'ra"? I've tried plugging it into Google Translate through Detect Language, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish, and Czech and found no results. Wiktionary doesn't seem to have an entry for Z'ra, googling for Z'ra gets me nowhere, and putting in "Z'ra" in quotatation marks alongside the keyword ruler just shows Praag's wiki entry as the first result. It seems to be an invention of Warhammer rather than a real word but I don't know why they picked Z'ra instead of something else, was it derived from some word in one of the Eastern European languages they stuck in a blender to make Kislevarin or did they just make something up from some random letters and call it a day?
"What would we call the Tzar but for the other ethnicity in Kislev?"
. "Uh, Tzar but backwards?"
"No, that's too obvious."
. "Flip half of it and toss an apostrophe in. And take out the T."
"You're a genius."

( :V ?)
 
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Way stones are infrastructure. You build where it is valuable to build and to consolidate your gains, not as a beach head. At least, not with this model.

[x] River Gate and Northeastern Kislev
[x] Karlsbridge and Old Town

No? This model is specifically a chunky over engineered thing meant for breacheads and plunging into the worst of the worst. See"
But as the piece of magical architecture it actually is, it is a vanguard, and it is in that where one can find the true statement of intent. If all you wanted was to fill already-secured territory to make it proof against the ravages of Morrsleib and storms of magic, or to gradually chip away at the edges of corrupted areas like Sylvania and the Drakwald, then there were much easier ways to accomplish that. This configuration is built for beachheads, to be erected where it is least welcome and to begin the work of draining away the worst pockets of corruption on the continent. In that purpose it not only matches the Waystones of the Golden Age, but exceeds them.

As for reclaiming New Town, I do believe revanchivism and "take back your town" are gonna be primary drivers, I don't think doing so is completely impractical. Like if New Town's horrific corruption really just kept to itself, the only people who have to worry about it are cultists and criminals who go there "willingly" it'd be one thing. However the wording, such as below:
New Town is where the streets bleed pus, the walls rearrange themselves at night, and the bodies of those slain in Praag's sacking somehow still linger to disgorge disease and insects and worse.

Make me think New Town does not "stick to itself" anymore than Sylvania keeps undead monstrosities to itself vs having them spill over to say Stirland. I don't think it's "hard men making hard decisions while hard" to say you really ought to take care of the primary source of undead super plague zombies even with the cost in men, sweat and blood it will entail. Sometime you gotta eat the bitter medicine and take the painful jab.
 
On an unrelated note from the vote, does anybody know why the ruler of Praag is called "Z'ra"? I've tried plugging it into Google Translate through Detect Language, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish, and Czech and found no results.
You probably should be looking at the central Asian languages, the countries like Kazahstan, the seven or so other -stans, Mongolia, etc. That said, with a three letter word, you might find absolutely nothing anyway.
 
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On an unrelated note from the vote, does anybody know why the ruler of Praag is called "Z'ra"? I've tried plugging it into Google Translate through Detect Language, Russian, Ukrainian, Belarusian, Polish, and Czech and found no results. Wiktionary doesn't seem to have an entry for Z'ra, googling for Z'ra gets me nowhere, and putting in "Z'ra" in quotatation marks alongside the keyword ruler just shows Praag's wiki entry as the first result. It seems to be an invention of Warhammer rather than a real word but I don't know why they picked Z'ra instead of something else, was it derived from some word in one of the Eastern European languages they stuck in a blender to make Kislevarin or did they just make something up from some random letters and call it a day?

I think it's another iteration of mangling the title 'Caesar'. Kaiser, Czar, Tzar, Z'ra. Of course, there's no Caesars in Warhammer, so that linguistic chain just starts at Tzar.
 
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