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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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cog-nito said:
I rather doubt that the magical Chamon buffs of the WHF2E rule book are going to translate to this quest one to one, that'd be pretty bonkers tbh
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Gold magic is really bonkers.

Like, it's a direct rival against the Bright College that's got just as much support behind it, you know?

That doesn't happen by accident. It really is that crazy strong. Bright magic is amazing but Gold Magic is also amazing, and as amazing off the battlefield as on it.
DragonParadox said:
For context +20 is what the Gambler gives, a major divine artifact and we get 2x uses every six months out of that. I doubt Law of Logic works anywhere near as generously as some of the interpretations above.
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That's the upgrade of the one +20 we got to one roll just from being devout, you know?

It's not equal to a wizard directly buffing themselves with a magical spell every day for months. It's not a good comparison.
 
CeBrudras said:
No? You are always gonna get people who think messing with the local ruler is their ticket to riches or whatever else they desire.

Like, fundamentally, having a reputation for something is a great layer of protection. If people think that you are a beast at combat they will hesitate to make plans that involve outfighting you. If we can get Mandred a scary reputation for Intrigue for free then a lot of the people that would have made his weakness painful will be too intimidated to take a swing.
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Scary reputations do not tend to stay sectioned off in the 'for intrigue' pen. If he is thought of as as very competent schemer he would be thought of as someone who schemes which many people on all levels of society will find off putting.
 
Xepheria said:
We sword good, he wants to sword good and will have access to a very, very good sword.
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I will be real, i don´t think this will ever be relevant. Mathilde is not gonna give up Branulhune any time soon and will live a lot longer than usual. A promisory note for a sword he might wield in seventy years is near worthless as a consideration for this.

EDIT: And even if she up and died tomorrow, the sword would probably be bequeathed to Eike instead.
 
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To be honest, not really a fan too much of any of the options.

Lights are out due to not thinking he would work there, also the celibacy. I get adoption is a thing, but it just makes it a little awkward, when the elector count can't have kids, probably a bigger deal than a baron from stirland.

Then there's the Brights who I've made my feelings known about, just not a fan.

Jade is a weird one, with all their influence from the beltani and matriarchal stuff. Not a bad choice, just could lead to some things.

Grey... well yeah he's not overly suited to intrigue, rhe one good master for him in the Grey order is probably Mathilde, and we might not want another apprentice at the point he's ready.

Would have preferred Hubert style celestial, but that's not an option.
 
Max is sort of the Ur-Example of exploiting the Law of Logic+Enchant Item feedback loop. It is definitely powerful.

While we saw way back with Johann even super experienced Longbeards could get some use out of Trial and Error.

The gold suite of effects is really good, and I wouldn't mind if that won. I just think with his statline and interests being an inspiring warleader is likely the better play.
 
pucflek said:
I will be real, i don´t think this will ever be relevant. Mathilde is not gonna give up Branulhune any time soon and will live a lot longer than usual. A promisory note for a sword he might wield in seventy years is near worthless as a consideration for this.

EDIT: And even if she up and died tomorrow, the sword would probably be bequeathed to Eike instead.
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Personal style aside, Mathilde is also very very good at general greatswording technique. A recognised master, in fact. Mandred can find grandmasters better, sure, but if we're looking for something to bond with him over that isn't magic, tutoring him in the fine art of chopping things into smaller things with a giant slab of metal isn't the worst way to go about it.
 
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Like, everyone says Bright magic could be good if you turned the normal curriculum inside out and based it on a foreign tradition, but Gold Magic is already in the right shape!

Gold Magic is already ready for ruling, and out of all the winds in dispute it's the one he's actually got the highest affinity for!

The only one more suited for Elemental Chamon is Johan, Mr. Gold Puncher himself! That's a pretty serious claim. If we want him to actually make Magister (or, to dream, a lord), Gold is the choice that will take him furthest on the path to personal excellence.
 
NavySeel said:
Lights are out due to not thinking he would work there, also the celibacy. I get adoption is a thing, but it just makes it a little awkward, when the elector count can't have kids, probably a bigger deal than a baron from stirland.
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As far as I'm aware there is no actual Vow of Celibacy within the Light College and I'm personally not aware of why people think it is. If it was an actual problem I'd have thought it'd would come up at some point.
 
chocolote12 said:
Like, everyone says Bright magic could be good if you turned the normal curriculum inside out and based it on a foreign tradition, but Gold Magic is already in the right shape!

Gold Magic is already ready for ruling, and out of all the winds in dispute it's the one he's actually got the highest affinity for!

The only one more suited for Elemental Chamon is Johan, Mr. Gold Puncher himself! That's a pretty serious claim. If we want him to actually make Magister (or, to dream, a lord), Gold is the choice that will take him furthest on the path to personal excellence.
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Maybe if Gehanna got him. I don't think the standard gold curriculum or most of the more technical logic based aspects of the golds would suit him.
 
Mathy's raw contempt for small children is such an odd, but funny character trait for a MC.

Her interaction with the Initiate will be even better, no other adult to take charge.

Mathy:.. I need an adult.
Initiate: But… you are the adult?
Mathy:… We need a better adult, wait here, I'm sure there is a long beard without anything to do right now somewhere nearby.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
Mathy's raw contempt for small children is such an odd, but funny character trait for a MC.

Her interaction with the Initiate will be even better, no other adult to take charge.

Mathy:.. I need an adult.
Initiate: But… you are the adult?
Mathy:… We need a better adult, wait here, I'm sure there is a long beard without anything to do right now somewhere nearby.
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Even funnier would be her grabbing Kragg.
 
chocolote12 said:
Like, everyone says Bright magic could be good if you turned the normal curriculum inside out and based it on a foreign tradition, but Gold Magic is already in the right shape!

Gold Magic is already ready for ruling, and out of all the winds in dispute it's the one he's actually got the highest affinity for!

The only one more suited for Elemental Chamon is Johan, Mr. Gold Puncher himself! That's a pretty serious claim. If we want him to actually make Magister (or, to dream, a lord), Gold is the choice that will take him furthest on the path to personal excellence.
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Worth noting, all of the bits of Gold that you think are so fantastic are the bits that Mandred doesn't have any noted affinity for. You seemed quite happy to not mention that it doesn't actually line up with him as well as the Bright stuff does.

For that matter, you seemed quite happy to try and argue we were turning the normal curriculum inside out and that otherwise the Bright College wouldn't be good for him, when no, the normal curiculum already includes the emotional and passion manipulation/boosting magic, and it is all helpful to him, as well as all being inline with him. The Indic stuff is a cherry on top that takes an already good Wind for him and makes it even better by giving more stuff to look at.
 
pucflek said:
Mathilde is not gonna give up Branulhune any time soon and will live a lot longer than usual. A promisory note for a sword he might wield in seventy years is near worthless as a consideration for this.

EDIT: And even if she up and died tomorrow, the sword would probably be bequeathed to Eike instead.
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He's the son of the Emperor. He's in line for a Runefang.
 
quantum lurker said:
Logic is probably ok for a leader (you could do a lot worse), but do you think the risk of gilding accidents may be a problem?
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Gilding is a voluntary optional procedure for high level adepts. The risks (in aggregate over the years) are less then, say, sudden miscast-induced demonsplosion, which every wizard is prone to.

Wizarding is not a safe business.
 
Yeah, Matilde's internal monologue about Mandred left a really sour taste in my mouth.

Thanks for clarifying that it was more a reflection of her own childhood baggage than something else. She had an utterly traumatic end to her childhood.
 
quantum lurker said:
Logic is probably ok for a leader (you could do a lot worse), but do you think the risk of gilding accidents may be a problem?
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It's not mandatory. It's just a cool thing they can do potentially. If he gets good enough to perform the ritual he'll be good enough to judge those risks on his own.

Now consider the much more mundane possibility of him setting himself on fire by accident.

All paths have risks.
NavySeel said:
Maybe if Gehanna got him. I don't think the standard gold curriculum or most of the more technical logic based aspects of the golds would suit him.
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Gehenna is the one arguing for him. She's the Elemental Master of Chamon and would be the first pick, since every College sent their fightingest members to compete over him.

Mandred's perceived personality is widely disseminated amongst us wizard lords.
cheesyme said:
Worth noting, all of the bits of Gold that you think are so fantastic are the bits that Mandred doesn't have any noted affinity for. You seemed quite happy to not mention that it doesn't actually line up with him as well as the Bright stuff does.

For that matter, you seemed quite happy to try and argue we were turning the normal curriculum inside out and that otherwise the Bright College wouldn't be good for him, when no, the normal curiculum already includes the emotional and passion manipulation/boosting magic, and it is all helpful to him, as well as all being inline with him. The Indic stuff is a cherry on top that takes an already good Wind for him and makes it even better by giving more stuff to look at.
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That's the beauty. Half my argument is that he just won't be allergic to what other Gold Wizards can do for him.

Do you understand? In addition to being most likely to become a Lord, Gold Mandred can also have the support of his entire college, who can also cast spells to make him better.

The best spells to make him better, which work not just on fear or moving men around but in agriculture and in justice and in good bargaining and in trade agreements and in politicking and in the horse trading necessary to become not just Prince of Altdorf but Even Emperor!

Not just better as a general, but in every aspect of his life; peace as well as war.
 
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