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I specifically asked the GM if throwing our employees on the Stone would be fine in term of engagement (since my plan had other things to do with them). The answer was yes, we are fine in that regard guys
 
DragonParadox said:
I specifically asked the GM if throwing our employees on the Stone would be fine in term of engagement (since my plan had other things to do with them). The answer was yes, we are fine in that regard guys
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Are you sure? I went through every post Boney has made in the last three months where they quoted you, and I could not find any evidence of this. Can you help find the citation? That would ease my mind tremendously when it comes to thinking about next turn and the various priorities to juggle.
 
Also, define "fine" for me.
Because it could be "nothing goes wrong" or "it is mechanically possible" or any number of things in between.
 
I suspect that if we are underemploying the lads, Boney's not just going to throw it on us as a surprise. They are all grown adults who respect us, and if they feel we're not respecting their time they are going to point it out to us first—probably by asking us "hey, so where do you see us going as a team in the near future, because I'm feeling like I'm at a bit of a loose end at the moment."

Okay, Egrimm might be a bit more dramatic than that, but our last action with him had him reciting poetry to Eike rather than actually doing any of the work, so I think he's fine.

But basically, my point is that this isn't going to devolve into soap opera with crying and accusations flying around, but rather going to be a frank conversation about whether or not we have a pressing need for the WEB-MAT boys, and if not they'll amicably leave and find work elsewhere.
 
picklepikkl said:
Are you sure? I went through every post Boney has made in the last three months where they quoted you, and I could not find any evidence of this. Can you help find the citation? That would ease my mind tremendously when it comes to thinking about next turn and the various priorities to juggle.
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I do not think it was a direct quote. I was talking about how we should use WEBMAT so we would not have to use them next turn and Boney said one action with 'all' was fine. I remember it because it was a close vote at the time and that may have cost the vote.
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I suspect that if we are underemploying the lads, Boney's not just going to throw it on us as a surprise. They are all grown adults who respect us, and if they feel we're not respecting their time they are going to point it out to us first—probably by asking us "hey, so where do you see us going as a team in the near future, because I'm feeling like I'm at a bit of a loose end at the moment."

Okay, Egrimm might be a bit more dramatic than that, but our last action with him had him reciting poetry to Eike rather than actually doing any of the work, so I think he's fine.

But basically, my point is that this isn't going to devolve into soap opera with crying and accusations flying around, but rather going to be a frank conversation about whether or not we have a pressing need for the WEB-MAT boys, and if not they'll amicably leave and find work elsewhere.
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Sure, but I would prefer to avoid things even rising to that level of "they feel underutilized" -- we've been given a rule of "if you don't do something with them in one turn, you should probably find work for them in the next two," back when the Laurelorn arc began, so we cannot say we weren't warned.
DragonParadox said:
I do not think it was a direct quote. I was talking about how we should use WEBMAT so we would not have to use them next turn and Boney said one action with 'all' was fine. I remember it because it was a close vote and at the time and that may have cost the vote.
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VoiceOfTheRiders said:
Can't find the post, but I remember it being posted
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I have searched Boney's post history since the original turnpost went up for mentions of "WEB-MAT", "WEBMAT", "Max", "Johann", "all", and "everyone". I also read literally every post Boney made between the original turnpost and the vote being closed, based on the assertion that it may have swung the vote. I can't find this. Perhaps someone else can dethrone me as the searchmaster, or someone who remembers the post can give me more details about what was in it or when it was posted so I can narrow down my search.
 
I also looked at every post between vote open and vote close, because I remember it too. I still don't think I'm gaslighting myself, because It would have been when we were first discussing having everyone on the Waystone, which IIRC was before official vote open. But at this point I think it would be better to just ask Boney when we're nearer to it mattering, and/or before you spend a significant amount of effort planning for either outcome.
 
AsuraAtlas said:
I also looked at every post between vote open and vote close, because I remember it too. I still don't think I'm gaslighting myself, because It would have been when we were first discussing having everyone on the Waystone, which IIRC was before official vote open. But at this point I think it would be better to just ask Boney when we're nearer to it mattering, and/or before you spend a significant amount of effort planning for either outcome.
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I have also gone through every post between the original turnpost and the vote being closed and I found nothing of the sort. I have also skimmed every post dating since a month before the turn post because I also figured it might have come up before the vote opened, and I still found nothing, so if you wanna check you can sift through one month less of posts.
 
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I think it might have been someone quoting a previous @Boney post about how Waystone actions work for Web-Mat.
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Might be this?

picklepikkl said:
DragonParadox said:
Finally and this is the broader point and most of the reason why I made this point, we have to use Web-Mat. Boney was for obvious reasons reluctant to give us a hard and fast rule on how often we could ignore our contributors before they would become upset, but we have previously taken the position that one skipped turn is as much as we should risk. So far that has been fine.

So we can just take three Web-Mat actions next turn right? The problem with that is next turn is also when we are going on elfication, a thing that eats between 1 and 3 AP on its own. In addition to that we will want to do something for our job 1-2 AP, most of which has no overlap with Web-Mat. Of course we could consider the 'make a Waystone with everyone' our Egrimm, Johann and Max action for the turn and ignore than next turn, but that seems a bit of a co-op out given how much of that action will be taken up by others
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While I agree with most of your post, I disagree with this as an argument. Using them on Waystone actions counts as keeping them busy, we don't need to use WEBMAT-specific actions. We know this is fine, because on T38 and T39, we had two turns in a row where we did not take WEBMAT actions with them specifically, but included them in Waystone Project actions, and everything was totally OK with zero problems. So if I were you, I would strike that from your post; it's not true and it detracts from your other arguments.
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I mean, just because Boney doesn't specifically call out all 20 people in a scene and what they're doing doesn't necessarily mean they weren't contributing in some way.
 
DragonParadox said:
That is what I am remembering yeah. I think I just conflated a @picklepikkl post with there being a GM post in there. :oops:
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...the perils of being someone people trust, I suppose. I am not, as it happens, the QM*.

The post @ReImagined found was specifically about using Max and Johann and whether we needed WEB-MAT actions specifically. At the time I made it, I had been assuming that Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) included them; it wasn't until a week later, when @Gavin Prince pointed out the issue, that Max and Johann are not part of the Waystone Project and that, while we can include them on Waystone actions without a problem, they were not by default included on the first Waystone action that involved "everyone" (Lay the Foundations), that I began to worry that we had left them on the sidelines without meaning to.

If we fucked up, we fucked up. If we fucked up because my misapprehension misled the thread, I am very sorry. Even if we have to find room in our schedule for our golden boys next turn, though, we'll be OK.

*For this quest, though I just launched one of my own yesterday the link is here you should go check it out
 
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Nerdasaurus Rex said:
I wouldn't say that Mathilde is "not good" at Empire politics so much as that she's never bothered to be good at it. I think if push came to shove and we had to get stuck into politics, we'd be pretty good at it (although to be fair, a good 70% of that would be turning up as a strange and mysterious grey wizard, solving the problem, and then refusing to leave until we got paid).
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I thought Mathilde was not good at empire politics because we, as the thread, hate empire politics and do everything we can to not be involved, and we are her internal narration.

See: Ulricans.
 
picklepikkl said:
...the perils of being someone people trust, I suppose. I am not, as it happens, the QM*.

The post @ReImagined found was specifically about using Max and Johann and whether we needed WEB-MAT actions specifically. At the time I made it, I had been assuming that Waystone: Build a Waystone (ALL) included them; it wasn't until a week later, when @Gavin Prince pointed out the issue, that Max and Johann are not part of the Waystone Project and that, while we can include them on Waystone actions without a problem, they were not by default included on the first Waystone action that involved "everyone" (Lay the Foundations), that I began to worry that we had left them on the sidelines without meaning to.

If we fucked up, we fucked up. If we fucked up because my misapprehension misled the thread, I am very sorry. Even if we have to find room in our schedule for our golden boys next turn, though, we'll be OK.

*For this quest, though I just launched one of my own yesterday the link is here you should go check it out
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In Dramatis Personae, the heading at the top says 'Members of the Waystone Project' and both of them are listed there, so I'm pretty sure they count as members of the Waystone Project.

I'd assume that they just fall under the same boat as the other people who weren't name-dropped in the update like Aksel, Zlata, etc, whose specialties didn't line up with the components we chose but still involved themselves in minor, off-screen ways.

Also, felicitations on the new quest!
 
ReImagined said:
In Dramatis Personae, the heading at the top says 'Members of the Waystone Project' and both of them are listed there, so I'm pretty sure they count as members of the Waystone Project.
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Maybe, but they aren't listed in the Organizations threadmark that goes into more detail:
Boney said:
The Waystone Project

Active Members:
Lady Magister Mathilde Weber of the Grey Order
Lady Magister Elrisse of the Order of Light
Lord Magister Egrimm van Horstmann of the Order of Light
Magister Tochter Grunfeld of the Order of Life
Lector Aksel of the Cult of Halétha
Lord Hatalath of the Grey Lords
Vicereine Cadaeth of the Ward of Frost
Lecturer Sarvoi of House Tindomiel
Runelord Thorek Ironbrow of Karak Azul
Baba Niedzwenka of Erengrad
Ice Maiden Zlata of the Hromada Ledyanoy Ved'ma


Affiliated States and Organizations:

The Colleges of Magic
> The Grey Order
> The Order of Light
> The Order of Life

Laurelorn
> The Grey Lords
> The Ward of Frost
> House Tindomiel

Karak Eight Peaks
Karak Azul

Kislev
> The Ice Court
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So we'll see. Whichever way Boney rules, though, we'll be fine. It's not a disaster, just an inconvenience at worst; my main concern, from playing around with tentative turnplans for next turn, is overstretching Eike with too many things we want her to be involved with, rather than finding space for the golden boys specifically.

(And, of course, there's a possibility that the Father/Damsel recruitment contingent will win next turn and we'll do that first instead of going to Nagarythe, in which case we have a lot less action squeeze and doing stuff with Max and Johann is no problem.)
 
picklepikkl said:
Maybe, but they aren't listed in the Organizations threadmark that goes into more detail:

So we'll see. Whichever way Boney rules, though, we'll be fine. It's not a disaster, just an inconvenience at worst; my main concern, from playing around with tentative turnplans for next turn, is overstretching Eike with too many things we want her to be involved with, rather than finding space for the golden boys specifically.

(And, of course, there's a possibility that the Father/Damsel recruitment contingent will win next turn and we'll do that first instead of going to Nagarythe, in which case we have a lot less action squeeze and doing stuff with Max and Johann is no problem.)
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At this point, my main priority is nutting with Panoramia.
 
picklepikkl said:
my main concern, from playing around with tentative turnplans for next turn, is overstretching Eike with too many things we want her to be involved with, rather than finding space for the golden boys specifically.

(And, of course, there's a possibility that the Father/Damsel recruitment contingent will win next turn and we'll do that first instead of going to Nagarythe, in which case we have a lot less action squeeze and doing stuff with Max and Johann is no problem.)
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I don't see why having a Father/Damsel turn means we can't overstrech Eike. Why, my Father drafts have Eike on five actions!
 
picklepikkl said:
(And, of course, there's a possibility that the Father/Damsel recruitment contingent will win next turn and we'll do that first instead of going to Nagarythe, in which case we have a lot less action squeeze and doing stuff with Max and Johann is no problem.)
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I want to do neither of those things.

We finally have a waystone. It's time to deploy it far and wide (and make one more variant too)
 
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