Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Tasoli
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First of happy new years and damn mates 15k pages. We rock
Second,
We will be in lothern for 3 turns so we should give Eike 3 goals if we bring her. That should keep her busy enough.
I am thinking
1, k8p library book deal
2, seek EIC trade opputinities (rumor mill expansion?)
3, something for the Empire (any ideas)
Second,
We will be in lothern for 3 turns so we should give Eike 3 goals if we bring her. That should keep her busy enough.
I am thinking
1, k8p library book deal
2, seek EIC trade opputinities (rumor mill expansion?)
3, something for the Empire (any ideas)
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Very unrealistic, we are invited into naggarynthe, eike is not and therefore only allowed into lothern
I assume that it is a shrine for the god of the dead.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
My thoughts on plans:
What ideas are other people most interested in?
So, I'm very interested in doing both of the following in the same turn:
[ ] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
[ ] EIC: Attempt to establish a trade route with the Eonir (pick one: ore)
Because I think that by doing so it should be possible to flip one of the Isolationist houses towards non-isolationism.
Though it doesn't necessarily have to be next turn.
I'm also favoring
[ ] Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (specify which)
Current options: Aquila Academy of Nuln, Imperial School of Engineers, Imperial Gunnery School, Minor Colleges of Nuln, The Mootland Genealogical Library
and I think that
[ ] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (specify which)
House Thyriolan or House Echtelion has the potential to flip one of them out of isolationism if they are approached to join the porject. especially if we can make some of the parts for out ultimate design require human contributions(Thyriolan really wants waystones).
The Waystone Project, Research
[ ] Waystone: Build a Waystone (NEW)
There will be a subvote for which components it will be made of. You can take this multiple times to create multiple Waystone designs in parallel.
It'd be really neat to build a waystone.
[ ] Waystone: Attempt to secure a supply of Titan-metal
Specify source: Ogres, Cathay.
[ ] Waystone: Experiment with alternatives to the Waystone Rune
Though both of these also sound potentially useful.
[ ] Waystone: Tributaries
Specify which type: Scythian, Lornalim.
And I want to at least examine some of these at some point, because it seems like we might completely skip something useful if we don't.
The Waystone Project, Development
[ ] Waystone: Leyline Prototype (select transmission medium: Air, Material, Road)
Do we still need to do these if we have the codes for the current network?
Aethyric Vitae (19 gallons):
[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
Mathilde will have full control over what happens with the resultant Orbs, including the option of presenting the full collection as a shockingly impressive fait accompli. Any Power Stones Mathilde does not have will be acquired for 5 CF each.
Enchantment and Spell Creation:
[ ] Codify the spell Knightbringer (NEW)
Foreign Relations:
[ ] Enter into negotiations with the Druchii delegation to Laurelorn
The Druchii have proffered magical knowledge and advance information on Karond Kar corsair movements in exchange for information on and samples of interesting creatures and phenomena of the Old World, but all kinds of other deals could be negotiated.
All three seem useful^
Personal Relations:
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: specify who and how.
[ ] Spend time investigating a character without their knowledge: specify who.
I'd like to look into the laurelorn Ulric cult at some point.
What ideas are other people most interested in?
So, I'm very interested in doing both of the following in the same turn:
[ ] EIC: Gather as much Ithilmar from throughout the Old World as possible to resell to the Eonir for a one-time profit
[ ] EIC: Attempt to establish a trade route with the Eonir (pick one: ore)
Because I think that by doing so it should be possible to flip one of the Isolationist houses towards non-isolationism.
Though it doesn't necessarily have to be next turn.
I'm also favoring
[ ] Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library. (specify which)
Current options: Aquila Academy of Nuln, Imperial School of Engineers, Imperial Gunnery School, Minor Colleges of Nuln, The Mootland Genealogical Library
and I think that
[ ] Attempt to bring a Major House or Ward into the Waystone Project (specify which)
House Thyriolan or House Echtelion has the potential to flip one of them out of isolationism if they are approached to join the porject. especially if we can make some of the parts for out ultimate design require human contributions(Thyriolan really wants waystones).
The Waystone Project, Research
[ ] Waystone: Build a Waystone (NEW)
There will be a subvote for which components it will be made of. You can take this multiple times to create multiple Waystone designs in parallel.
It'd be really neat to build a waystone.
[ ] Waystone: Attempt to secure a supply of Titan-metal
Specify source: Ogres, Cathay.
[ ] Waystone: Experiment with alternatives to the Waystone Rune
Though both of these also sound potentially useful.
[ ] Waystone: Tributaries
Specify which type: Scythian, Lornalim.
And I want to at least examine some of these at some point, because it seems like we might completely skip something useful if we don't.
The Waystone Project, Development
[ ] Waystone: Leyline Prototype (select transmission medium: Air, Material, Road)
Do we still need to do these if we have the codes for the current network?
Aethyric Vitae (19 gallons):
[ ] Create Orbs of Sorcery solo (requires one of each Power Stone)
Mathilde will have full control over what happens with the resultant Orbs, including the option of presenting the full collection as a shockingly impressive fait accompli. Any Power Stones Mathilde does not have will be acquired for 5 CF each.
Enchantment and Spell Creation:
[ ] Codify the spell Knightbringer (NEW)
Foreign Relations:
[ ] Enter into negotiations with the Druchii delegation to Laurelorn
The Druchii have proffered magical knowledge and advance information on Karond Kar corsair movements in exchange for information on and samples of interesting creatures and phenomena of the Old World, but all kinds of other deals could be negotiated.
All three seem useful^
Personal Relations:
[ ] Spend time assisting or ingratiating yourself with someone else: specify who and how.
[ ] Spend time investigating a character without their knowledge: specify who.
I'd like to look into the laurelorn Ulric cult at some point.
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario(occasionally)
I want to do both an ithilmar and an ore trade route action in the same turn, maybe combined with getting to know house Miriel in order to target them to flip to being less isolationist.
But while I'd like to focus on them a fair bit at once, I don't necessarily care about doing it this turn.
There's actually two elf Gods that could refer to - Ereth-Khial, Goddess of the underworld, and Morai-Heg, Goddess of death. Neither is in the inner ring of the mandala so either would be an exception to the trend, and I also can't see Nastirr in either of their sigils. A major Asur shrine to Morai-Heg makes more sense than one to Ereth-Khial, and there is a part of Morai-Heg's sigil that somewhat resembles a small part of Nastirr, but it's a pretty big stretch.
I can't find any lore on the shrine from a quick google search, I guess it might just be a name on a map that was never elaborated on.
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- Russia
@Boney
Since the flex and the BOOK are coming, interest in AV among Colleges will probably skyrocket. Asp's situation with constant AV yield is unique, but can apparition be hunted down and rendered into AV, much like you can hunt down a deer for its meat? I don't propose Mathilde do it (since she accidentally invented animal husbandry), but can that become a viable source of AV for the Colleges for their own research/orb production?
Since the flex and the BOOK are coming, interest in AV among Colleges will probably skyrocket. Asp's situation with constant AV yield is unique, but can apparition be hunted down and rendered into AV, much like you can hunt down a deer for its meat? I don't propose Mathilde do it (since she accidentally invented animal husbandry), but can that become a viable source of AV for the Colleges for their own research/orb production?
That would seem like the obvious place to begin looking for an alternate source.
- Location
- Australia
We should codify Knightbringer and drop it at the same time as we drop the AV book so people mistake us for an expe-
Hold on, maybe we are an expert on apparitions? We're making orbs of sorcery out of one and invented an entire spell based on another. Is there anyone in the colleges besides Gehenna who's got more apparition credentials than Mathilde?
Hold on, maybe we are an expert on apparitions? We're making orbs of sorcery out of one and invented an entire spell based on another. Is there anyone in the colleges besides Gehenna who's got more apparition credentials than Mathilde?
- Location
- Washington
The thing is if there IS they probably aren't advertising that fact.
This has come up a few times with people considering that if you kill the apparition, the AV would lose whatever connection it has to the apparition and disappear like daemon bodies do after they die and coming up with elaborate if disturbing plans to create apparition blood farms.
That the Golds were at all willing to trade this secret suggests that the likely reaction we'd receive is probably not of the heads, spikes, walls variety.
With that said, I've been wondering what will happen to the Ulgu chains binding the Rider to Mathilde's soul next time she gets daemon checked with Hysh.
Thinking about Eike in Lothern, I wonder if we could make it a WEB-MAT trip?
Take Johann and Max and see if Egrimm's interested as well as taking Eike.
The kind of objectives I think we could give them would be:
Johann and Eike would seem appropriate for many of these, but does anyone have thoughts for what Max and potentially Egrimm might find useful?
Take Johann and Max and see if Egrimm's interested as well as taking Eike.
The kind of objectives I think we could give them would be:
- Look for magically active materials that could be of use to the Colleges that can be sourced from Lothern's merchants
- Look for more information related to Johann's prosthetic arm.
- Try to make contact with international booksellers who might be willing to sell books from around the world (Lothern is the most cosmopolitan city in the world apparently)
- Make contact with merchants who trade between Lothern and Erengrad
- Negotiate for access with Lothern's libraries
- Tour the martial arts training halls of Lothern
- Try to make contact with any expatriate spellcasters from unusual traditions who might be interested in trading knowledge
Johann and Eike would seem appropriate for many of these, but does anyone have thoughts for what Max and potentially Egrimm might find useful?
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- Location
- Washington
Yes, but they explicitly wanted us to be circumspect about where we got it because that "probably not" was not "definitely not" enough for their liking.
Sure, this one goes into the classified pile.
Need to know basis and the templars don't need to know.
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- Washington
Aaaand because of that, if there ARE people who know more about Apparitions than us, we probably wouldn't know, because they aren't advertising that fact.
Which is what I said in the first place.
Boney's already said that Apparitions would be shielded by the soul of the wizard binding them so Hysh won't banish them or anything.
I mean, Max might like poking around trying to learn about what the smiths of Lothern get up to with magic.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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- Czech Republic
That the Golds needed to be persuaded with fairly potent bribe and then asked to not be mentioned in whatever spellwork she invents suggests that heads, spikes and walls are definitely an option if the academic or religious opinions on apparitions swung the other way however.
Its most likely just a very dangerous infinitesimaly small probability, but noone in academia wants to be left out of potential discoveries and the fact that they specifically asked to be is fairly alarming.
EDIT: I mean i do think that thats a rather improbable way that would end but some form of censure or general displeasure and career "ending" consequences if "apparitions are definitely not daemons" axiom comes under intense scrutiny for whatever reason are probably on the table for institutions and/or people involved with them.
Which is probably why noone is advertising that stuff.
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Tasoli
Life is for Living
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Asked and answered by the GM. Deamoncheckers don't work on apparations. Only some other spell that banishes creatures of immeterum works on unbound apparations and not at all on bound ones.
So there is actually metaphisical difference between deamon and apparation. Which means our notdeamons are really not deamons.
It is more likely to be religous than academic since deamon banishing spells don't work on apparation which means there is academic proof.
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It's a big opportunity/adventure for them as well. Many Magisters would probably love to have a funded research trip there. However, it's unreasonable to expect Boney to come up with the options they could explore, just as it is to expect him to come up with Adele's ideas for upgrades to the gyrocarriage.
Lothern is, as I understand it, the major world city in the setting, the most cosmopolitan and diverse entrepôt that the exists. It has a combination of opportunities that are available nowhere else.
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- Location
- Russia
If my stain remover doesn't work on particular kind of stains it doesn't mean that they aren't actually stains, it means that the stain remover is faulty. Defining what is and is not a daemon by the results of the daemon-banishing spell is putting cart before the horse. I agree that metaphysical difference exists, but that alone doesn't mean that apparitions aren't daemons - I'm pretty sure that daemons of the different gods are also different from each other.
Edit: that argument would be more convincing if we were talking about a divine spell. In that case it would be possible to say that "God X doesn't see them as daemons". But in the case of an arcane spell we can only say "Mage X, creator of the spell, didn't see them as daemons" which is not proof of anything. Or maybe he did see them as daemons but couldn't make the spell universal enough and decided that banishing daemons of the Four is better than banishing apparitions.
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