Mopman43
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Hmm, source?
As far as it goes, 8th edition Dwarfs calls Kragg 'Master Runelord of Karaz-a-Karak', so maybe that's the official title for the head of the guild.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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As far as it goes, 8th edition Dwarfs calls Kragg 'Master Runelord of Karaz-a-Karak', so maybe that's the official title for the head of the guild.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
On top of us not having a tributary that Runesmiths can do, Boney's stated before that dwarves have "treated any infrastructure outside of a Karak as an inherent security risk since the Time of Woes." I don't think it'd be easy to ask them to spread tributaries.
It seems to me that the dwarves of antiquity clearly preferred to do the highest-difficulty, highest-yield result of turning their Karaks into waystones - why spread waystones and tributaries like the elves, when they prefer to live their lives away from the rest of the world? It probably was a gigantic amount of effort, but it would have been what worked best for them. They would not have to worry about individual human-sized waystones being taken down by miscellaneous gribblies.
It seems to me that the dwarves of antiquity clearly preferred to do the highest-difficulty, highest-yield result of turning their Karaks into waystones - why spread waystones and tributaries like the elves, when they prefer to live their lives away from the rest of the world? It probably was a gigantic amount of effort, but it would have been what worked best for them. They would not have to worry about individual human-sized waystones being taken down by miscellaneous gribblies.
Sir_Travelsalot
Never wakes up tired.
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I was slightly misremembering what I read on page 217 of Realms of Sorcery, but it says that Runelords are equal in stature to kings in the Karaz Ankor, and the spot of a Runelord only becomes available when the previous Runelord has died. And one of the proposed adventure seeds for the Runelord career on page 180 of the Career Compendium makes it plain that two Runelords 'sharing' the same spot would cause trouble if the two refuse to share the authority of their office (a Runelord that was presumed dead returns, only to find their old apprentice promoted to their place), suggesting it isn't possible for a Hold to have more than one.
That is, it seems implicit in the wording, but I misremembered it as being explicitly stated.
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Aren't there usually a bunch of smaller dwarf holds around any major Karak that are officially independent but de-facto vassals due to their proximity? I doubt those were turned into waystones during the golden age, but they could probably be fairly defensible locations for them to sit. Or maybe watchtowers and the like. K8P could probably get more energy from a tributary at Und-Uzgar, and it is only somewhat less defended than the Karak itself. It would be difficult to see it falling longterm without the karak itself being in danger of falling. And given we made the thing, we'd have the knowledge to repair it from any short-term loss of territory.
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We're not there yet, and won't be for a while even after a working prototype, but I wonder if it might be worth spending our spare Great Deed on raising the matter of Waystone rollout at the Elector's Meet once we have enough practical product to actually sell to them.
It would save all those AP that we'd need to spend to talk to the Electors individually, at the very least, and as an added bonus the option for spending a deed like that reads:
Like, sure, this Project is backed by the Colleges and the Emperor himself, but I do expect that agreeing to rollout is going to a Province-level matter rather than mandated from above. Addressing the Province-level feudal lords all at once is neat if you can do it.
It would save all those AP that we'd need to spend to talk to the Electors individually, at the very least, and as an added bonus the option for spending a deed like that reads:
Seems like a very worthwhile way to spend the premium currency that we otherwise struggle to justify spending.
Like, sure, this Project is backed by the Colleges and the Emperor himself, but I do expect that agreeing to rollout is going to a Province-level matter rather than mandated from above. Addressing the Province-level feudal lords all at once is neat if you can do it.
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Mopman43
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Mathilde would get to use the ultimate expression of MMAPP- the Powerpoint Presentation.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If the electors did vote to have it done as a empire wide mega project I am not sure that there are actually enough wizards to staff it. Or at the very least many would have to be reassigned from other things.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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Yeah, even if we only count the tributaries, that's a lot of actions we'd save up.
Of course, there's also our own speculation of how the Orbflex might nail us something on that level. Getting all the Colleges to go up to the Electors and convince them might also be possible.
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- Washington
TBH I suspect even as an empire wide project the actual rollout would still involve going out to individual provinces, surveying the state of things, weighing up what works best where and making a final decision with input from the elector in question... to basically the same AP cost as "that, but without the elector having agreed to it beforehand" would be.
Somic
It's meow or never
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Stirland has three Journeymen doing tributaries. I'm sure that if a call were made for an Empire-wide effort, it wouldn't be hard to attract enough people at least for the tributaries; and as for the actual Waystones, remember that House Tindomiel has negotiated for first refusal to build these in the Empire. Any components that can be made by elves, and probably the final assembly, can be safely fobbed off to them while we handle the "talking Electors into cooperating with this" part.
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I kinda expect that if we get actually-fully-working waystones the Emperor himself is going to raise the issue. For the same reason that we are approaching the point on the project where we start expecting concessions for other parties to enter, rather than giving them concessions.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I think that that there are 6 of them and the ritual takes 2 people to do. Also that is just tributaries. There are likely enough wizards to tributary the whole empire where they fit, but I thought we were talking about waystones?
On the topic of Dwarf waystones I expect that what they want to do is plug the new holds into the network much like the old holds are. Which is a fairly big ask.
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deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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That doesn't imply one per Hold, simply a set number (note also that Realms says "an existing Runelord" not "the existing Runelord"). Everything the RPG says remains true if you assume that number is 1 or 100. So long as none of the positions are empty, no one can be promoted, and two Dwarfs can have troubles if one 'lost' the position by being presumed dead and the other Dwarf was promoted to fill it.
Not AFAIK. You get stuff like the watchtower the Undumgi occupy, or the ones along the Silver Road, but not actual mini-Holds.
There are 3:
Bolding mine.
Somic
It's meow or never
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Edit: ninja'd for Journeymen
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dinomannitro6
all your gender is belong to us
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It's a bit more complicated situation, that I don't have time to pull up cites for before bed, but they do exist. Karak Izor is famous for all of the ones around it.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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That's from Stone and Steel, so may not be quest canon. And I wouldn't have characterised those in the way Hydro did (which is probably why you said it's more complicated). Even assuming that is quest canon, I wouldn't assume it's the default for all Holds, rather than being a unique part of Izor's situation.
Divided Loyalties Slander
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- Australia
Somic
It's meow or never
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What's it say? (Video is unavailable for me)
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- Australia
Sorry about that, apparently Down Under is copyright-blocked in Russia and I don't know how to get around it. It's a comedy video I made using the slander meme format. Here's an example you can hopefully watch.
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- France
This really had me laughing. Thanks for making this. I hope it gets a threadmark when Boney gets back.
You can probably get around that using something like nqma.net (or some other equivalent if that video isn't allowed in Bulgaria).
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- E-Girl Deseret
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This is one of the most beautiful videos I have ever seen.
Somic
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Found a way to watch it! This is amazing, also
>Wolf being best boy 24/8
the eight day week detail is absolutely perfect omg
Chimeraguard
We do deserve to exist.
Say on the note of the first few seconds of the video, what is the mechanic on the progress taken to get the We silk working? Max was able to crudely weave a small bit of fabric that the K8P Council tested the durability of, but I imagine mass production's another matter. Is it something that they've just been rolling complete garbage on each turn, or more of a project they make progress on each turn, with various boni and penalties?
And is it all of the silk types that they've been having trouble with, or have they managed better with some of the others? I recall some of the other We silk types was considered good for rope or crossbow strings rather than silk sheets and clothes.
And is it all of the silk types that they've been having trouble with, or have they managed better with some of the others? I recall some of the other We silk types was considered good for rope or crossbow strings rather than silk sheets and clothes.
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Max was a gold wizard yoloing the transformation of some random string into the world's worst handkerchief.
K8P's Weavers Guild is a hodgepodge of different races and cultures trying to mass produce the second coming of Fabric Jesus out of a material never seen before despite having no institutional knowledge and a manager who didn't know how to manage.
The odds are so fucking against them that I'm not even sure the direct intervention of Ranald can help.