Well for one you can shove a daemon in someone's head and it should be able to riffle though their mind. Alternatively kill and raise as a wight as a skilled enough vampire to preserve their mind. That is just off the top of my head.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Well for one you can shove a daemon in someone's head and it should be able to riffle though their mind. Alternatively kill and raise as a wight as a skilled enough vampire to preserve their mind. That is just off the top of my head.
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We've fought beside Boris. We actually know that his Martial was 20 when last we saw it, and his planning was solid as well, so he's not a terrible general. Also, the Ice Witches are a very large part of the nobility of Kislev, so their support might be enough even if they were all he had.
Basically, the worst case scenario ideas you present here are either not that bad or provably false.
Nope. It does not whatsoever. As light magics that effect only daemons do not effect apparitions. As noted below.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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Minor correction, the Boyars aren't willing to go along with it, and the Tzar doesn't care to spend the effort to force them (at this point, that effort might very well be "raise an army and execute the worst offender" tbf).
To be fair, Mathilde also has no real experience with Kislevites. She's spoken to what, half a dozen of them? Most of them Ice Witches, who we already knew don't get along with Valdimir.
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- Czech Republic
Please don't put words in my mouth. I'm not saying that Boris is evil. But we're putting a lot of trust in a guy whom we barely know. Yes, of course we are 100% sure that he's exhausted every single other path before him - why? What we do know is that he's unwilling to negotiate (if that's indeed the case), and that by itself is very suspicious. If he's really only doing this at as the last resort, he should be perfectly willing and even happy to debate other possible courses of action and show why they don't work, and if we mention something that actually might work and he hasn't tried, he should be happy to try it. This way he'll prove that he's really speaking the truth. If he's unwilling to do even that, then I think there's every indication that he's being shifty. He'd obviously prefer to silently assassinate Vladimir rather than go to war against him, and in order to achieve that it's not going to be super difficult for him to attempt to solve this problem in other ways to our satisfaction.
To be fair, the Boyar we spoke to during Drycha business seems to be at worst ambivalent about him:
That whole business also proved the Tzar to be a reasonably good war leader, though on the other hand he completely ignored his magical forces which could've been pretty disastrous in other circumstances.
The Tzar is not an awful man. He is not even an awful leader, as far as we know. It's just that Boris believes that Kislev is in desperate need of a leader that's quite a bit more than 'not awful' if it is to survive.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Not necessarily. Whether we deem knowing Kislev's internal political situation important for this decision is up to us players after all. And failing to notice things that might have been obvious to others can be a consequence of our skills and attributes, like when we failed to notice how cheaply we could have gotten Tindomiel on our side if we had had the wherewithal to play hardball.
Vladimir isn't Pavel, nor Pavel's brother.
consequences
Not A Nice Person At All
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- Jerkville
Vlad, upon completion of the Battle of Drycha's Butt: Start prepping my new trophy that I didn't actually have any part in killing.
Boris, upon completion of that battle: We need to see about integrating these woodsmen formally if possible, and rewarding the foreign ally who made this victory possible.
Even as a general, Vlad seems entirely shit once the fighting is done. And before the fighting is happening for that matter.
Boris, upon completion of that battle: We need to see about integrating these woodsmen formally if possible, and rewarding the foreign ally who made this victory possible.
Even as a general, Vlad seems entirely shit once the fighting is done. And before the fighting is happening for that matter.
Honestly he's just good for swinging at things.
The man has emotionally worked himself up to the point of putting a hit on his father, talking us though why and having a long winded conversation on every idea that passes though Mathilde's head would only hurt him more since he would have to say aloud to each one: No No and No, an each of those Nos means 'I have to kill my father'. You can think that this is a moral failing on his part, but this is the point he is at, he cannot even bring himself to be explicit about the hit.
Vladimir didn't even turn up until the army had already mustered. He didn't organise any part of it—local Boyars were responding to a threat in their territory, and he jumped in at the last minute to win all the glory.
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- Bretonnia
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[X] Yes
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- Czech Republic
Oh boo hoo, I feel very sorry for him. He's planning to become a head of state, there's a lot of speaking and negotiating he's going to have to do when not in the best of moods. Bully for him. If he can't handle it, maybe he shouldn't be tsar.
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- Earth
Mathilde can read emotions with her windsight. As mentioned in the update:
That's not the type of emotion you're feeling if you have seen any kind of alternative recourse. Boris does not want to assassinate his father. He thinks it is necessary. That implies that if it were not necessary, then he would not do it.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] Yes
Let's not sugar coat it with ideas like that he's a spiritual Khorne worshipper, or that all heads of state have it coming if they aren't good enough.
Let's not sugar coat it with ideas like that he's a spiritual Khorne worshipper, or that all heads of state have it coming if they aren't good enough.
Well there is a solution to that for anyone who wants to go that way, vote no and then on the next turn vote to rat him out to his father. Odds are he will never be Tsar then. You just have to convince a majority that this is a good idea.
Still won't make Boris talk about this, that is explicit in a GM post.
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- Czech Republic
And Mathilde has never been tricked by anyone, ever?
And even if that's true, that's still assuming that he thought of every possibility. He doesn't know everything, he is not good at everything. By all accounts, he has been hatching this plan on his own all this time. Maybe he actually needs to bounce it off someone else for a change.
Doomed Wombat
Let's go Darling!
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- Dancing on wires!
That is just incorrect. We've had more than just the one meeting with the man, we've spoken to many people across Kislev society from multilple strata nobody likes the Tsar and we know that the army is not all on his side.
Also know Boris isn't a bad general, we know he's got a lot of support in the army and the Kislevite people and that he's got way more support than just the Ice Witches, the Ungol's love the man. Those are not groups that traditionally get along.
It's also a very wide section.
We've met boyars thousands of miles from the centre of power who don't like him and we've met people right in the centre who don't. The high born and the low, those with very good reason to dislike him and those who'd not even think about him unless he was doing a good or bad job.
Their assessment is bad.
This is not about advocacy for yes or no, its about keeping the record straight and in the interest of that yes I do think they are arguing in bad faith. I think they are shifting goal posts engaging in fallacies, intentionally misrepresenting information, leaving out bits that don't support their narrative and at times just making things up.
I apologise if that is making you uncomfortable and will try to calm down, but it is just very...like why? If its just their opinion argue from that, don't try to crowbar what is known to fit the conclusion you want to reach.
Fair, but the difference between evil and untrustworthy is essentially meaningless here and there's a very simple way we can figure out if he's exhausted every other path.
Do you think he wants to kill his father?
Do you think that he wants to murder the man who raised him, who he presumably knows better than almost anyone?
Do you think he hasn't considered every possible alternative and concluded that no there is no way to resolve it in a manner which solves the fundamental issue.
Which is that his father is weakening Kislev. The army might not be weakening, but it isn't getting stronger, while everything else is crumbling and his father will not take the actions needed to resolve this.
How do you solve this problem when his father will not take action, will not accept external support, will not listen to reform, will do administration, will not do the necessary work of government.
Something Boris knows! What resources available to Mathilde can resolve this fundamental issue of personality and priorities?
I can't think of anything and your previous suggestions all hit on those same issues.
So instead you assume suspicion and conspiracy, when we have no reason to assume that.
You are advocating that Boris is suspicious based on what? That we weren't shown everything he has tried to do to persuade his father? That's not suspicious, its just tragic.
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- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
Assassination is a payment whenever we damn well want kind of deal. What's he gonna do? Worry we are not trustworthy enough not to skedaddle with the payment? We can already betray him to his father for a massive reward.
Well, now I know what I want to do in the next Warhammer Vampire Quest. Necrorunes all the way.
Honestly? That's his problem. He is the one asking Mathilde to kill his father for him.
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[x] Yes
- Location
- being near locations is my passion.
Idea: "At some point, I am going to ask or trade for copying rights to some of your nation's libraries. At the time I would like to either get more or pay less than I would otherwise. But leaning more towards subtlety on your part than volume/impact".
As it stands I'm more inclined to ask for nothing, so there is nothing to query in terms of "why was Mathilde given [big shiny thing of coolness]"
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- The Surface Of A Hostile Planet
[X] Yes
Can we really? It would be our word against his and Vlad does not like witches.