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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Retrueno said:
If we're just talking about understanding of the soul then there is also the Cult of Gazul. We know they have deep soul lore and we would just have to swear their oaths for them.
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No we don't know that.

What we know of Gazul Lore is that it talks a lot about burial methods and securing tombs, and should contain whatever Soul lore the dwarfs have.

Some people belive Gazul Lore means deep soul lore because the dwarfs are an elder race, but it bears remiding that first they are dwarfs who are blind to the winds, have never actively medled with souls and lost most of their ancient lore on top of that, so expecting them to have preserved some kind of deep soul lore we can apply to our magic is very optimistic at best.
 
Nurgle said:
We have at least two opportunities to open trade deals.
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If you're talking about Ariel, she's an avatar of Isha sure, but she is never referred to as the Everqueen and doesn't function at all similar to the Everqueen. I don't think there's anything suggesting that she has the memories of the Everqueens either.
 
Mopman43 said:
If you're talking about Ariel, she's an avatar of Isha sure, but she is never referred to as the Everqueen and doesn't function at all similar to the Everqueen. I don't think there's anything suggesting that she has the memories of the Everqueens either.
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Ariel is an ancient immortal who is one of the most powerful mages in the setting. She tied her soul and the Asari souls to a magical Forrest. Even if she does not have knowledge of souls she is one of the best mages alive
 
Zaratustra said:
No we don't know that.

What we know of Gazul Lore is that it talks a lot about burial methods and securing tombs, and should contain whatever Soul lore the dwarfs have.

Some people belive Gazul Lore means deep soul lore because the dwarfs are an elder race, but it bears remiding that first they are dwarfs who are blind to the winds, have never actively medled with souls and lost most of their ancient lore on top of that, so expecting them to have preserved some kind of deep soul lore we can apply to our magic is very optimistic at best.
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They've got a strong enough grasp on souls that they can confidently assert that dwarven souls get sent to the Underearth upon death, if directed there by priests of Gazul. And Mathilde knows that's not a metaphor, or an unsubstantiated belief either, from past discussions with Gunnars.

I don't know how well their knowledge of souls would translate to the exact makeup of the things, but they've definitely got some pretty interesting lore.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
They've got a strong enough grasp on souls that they can confidently assert that dwarven souls get sent to the Underearth upon death, if directed there by priests of Gazul. And Mathilde knows that's not a metaphor, or an unsubstantiated belief either, from past discussions with Gunnars.

I don't know how well their knowledge of souls would translate to the exact makeup of the things, but they've definitely got some pretty interesting lore.
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Yeah, burial rites lore. Wich is indeed interesting from a worldbuilding perpective, but for many reasons I doubt is of practical use to us.
Of course they know for sure, those are the rites passed be Gazul who made the Underearth, they don't need to see the souls to know where they are going.
Is not even that diferent from the Morrite lore we already have, that alowed us to make sure a lot of people could rest in his gardem.

That certainty is way less impressive in then it looks at first glance. They realy don't need to do much to souls beyond a little guindance. Also the rune of gazul makes me suspect any soul affecting ability they comes from him directly and that is another reason the priest woudn't know details of how it works.
 
Boney said:
'Liminal realm' doesn't just mean pocket dimension, it's a section of the liminal barrier, the membrane between reality and the Aethyr, that has been hollowed out or burrowed into and used for living space. The Dreaming Woods are parallel to the forests, the Grey College is parallel to specific parts of Altdorf, Algard's towers reappear in the same place. In theory, and with some wiggle room for wibbliness, any given spot in the liminal barrier corresponds to a specific spot in reality, so trying to drag a liminal realm around with you would be like trying to tow a cave around for extra boot space. You might be able to do it if you reinforced the hell out of the cave and had an absolutely monstrous amount of towing strength, but the effect on the world around you from doing so would be pretty heinous. That liminal barrier has a job to do, and people don't like it when it stops doing that job.

The only real question mark in that roadblock is that a person's body and soul are somehow connected through the liminal barrier, and that 'break' in it is very demonstrably mobile, so maybe you'd be able to plant a liminal realm inside the connective tissue between someone's body and soul and be able to move it around. But without an extremely thorough understanding of the nature and malleability of the soul, the trial and error required would very likely do extremely unpleasant things to the test subjects. And you wouldn't be able to confine testing to creatures because the nature of their souls are so much simpler and would have much less room for activities.
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Does that mean that we can (maybe) make a bag of holding out of a hamster's soul, but it would be smaller than one made from someone with a more complex soul? And we would need to carry a hamster with us everywhere, but that's not a drawback.
 
Rotekian said:
You mean in the absence of magic, like when the hordes of Chaos invade? You may wish to fact check your assumptions against the setting
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I remember Magnus having quite a bit of time between 'the everchosen is coming' and going to war in Kislev, which is what I was using to Hawkins my assumptions.

Did you have a different example in mind?

silvanknight said:
I wouldn't mind collaborating with Algard to make the ROW battle altar.
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If we make it, it should take the form of a mechanical horse.

LockedMind said:
Does that mean that we can (maybe) make a bag of holding out of a hamster's soul, but it would be smaller than one made from someone with a more complex soul? And we would need to carry a hamster with us everywhere, but that's not a drawback.
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So, what you are saying is that we'd use the hamster for space? A Space Hamster, if you will?

And it's a miniature version of possible the liminal soul realm, which is huge compared to the size of the hamster...

A miniature, giant space, hamster.

I like it. ;)
 
Glau said:
I remember Magnus having quite a bit of time between 'the everchosen is coming' and going to war in Kislev, which is what I was using to Hawkins my assumptions.
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It's not so much that he had time, so much as it's that he needed time.

If he'd been able to assume command and rally everyone quicker, Pragg might not have fallen. As it was, Asavar Kul besieging Pragg pretty much happened at the same time everything went to hell.

I think the Empire taking that long to respond now, when it's at least formally united under clear leadership, would be a failure on its part.
 
LockedMind said:
Does that mean that we can (maybe) make a bag of holding out of a hamster's soul, but it would be smaller than one made from someone with a more complex soul? And we would need to carry a hamster with us everywhere, but that's not a drawback.
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If it is possible to do it with a person, then it might be possible to do it with a hamster. But that's a very big if and a very small might, and even in the best case scenario would involve a huge spike in difficulty to miniaturize something that works on a person so that it can fit in a hamster.
 
I feel like if someone managed to fit a subspace pocket in a small animal's soul, then soul modification is either way easier than we think it is, or Teclis rolled five consecutive nat 100s on his once a century vacation. And I think we know pretty well how weird and confusing souls are already!
 
Execute/Dumbo said:
I feel like if someone managed to fit a subspace pocket in a small animal's soul, then soul modification is either way easier than we think it is, or Teclis rolled five consecutive nat 100s on his once a century vacation. And I think we know pretty well how weird and confusing souls are already!
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Teclis is also like, the best wizard to ever wizard except Nagash and some Slaan
 
@Boney
So are now able to write a paper on red riders in general considering that we have one on the slab as it were. Before we didn't even know that horse and rider where one being and I assume that Mathilde read up before hunting.
 
*Looks at Discussion about attaching liminal realms to living souls.*

*Looks at Animals possibly not being viable due to likely lacking the full depth of consciousness that a thinking being does.*
*Looks at humans not being ethical.*
*Looks at Vicereine Cadaeth, a Maybe Dryad-y Elf, Maybe Elf-y Dryad, who's first introduction was having a realm within her own soul that she was able to tow all the way to Middenheim, or else opened then and there.*

Boney said:
Known to locals as the Garten, the Great Park of Middenheim is a sprawling piece of artificial nature in varying gradients, from the carefully monitored precision of the orchards and hothouses to the artfully wild-looking glade that is only slightly spoiled by scattered benches, topiaries and gazebos. Your Magesight instantly spots what you're looking for, and though magically it's a very neat piece of work, you suspect that it won't be long before a groundskeeper with a theodolite spots something amiss and the Ducal Arborist starts raising a fuss at a portion of the Park having been folded neatly out of the mundane dimensions.

Unlike the defences of the Colleges, no attempt has been made to obscure the nature of these magics and you're quickly able to deduce the right trees to walk between, and you find yourself in a fold of tamed forest that you suspect would make Panoramia's jaw drop. Every tree is lush and green and evenly spaced from its neighbours without any pattern in their layout being obvious, the foliage abounds with twittering birds and chattering critters, and from no apparent direction, the sound of a brook burbling cheerily underscores the scene. It is, you suspect, very deliberately designed to be what one might imagine if asked to picture a Wood Elf that was the complete opposite of the Asrai.

Sitting in a low tree fork and smiling mischievously at the hummingbird investigating the flower in her hair is an Elf, and you very quickly have some uncharitable ideas as to how this unorthodox alliance might have been possible, as the neckline of her light green dress dips as low as the side slits climb high, and her bare feet don't so much hint as they do shout that the dress could be the only garment upon her person. But even as your mundane senses pass judgement, your magical senses tell a very different story - at first you thought her invisible to them, but then you realized that the physical being before you is merely the anchorpoint of a soul that fills the dimensional pocket more thoroughly than the air around you, interwoven in every tree and beast and blade of grass, and the only place she isn't is in a polite distance around your person.

"I," she says, her gaze turning to you, "am Vicereine Cadaeth of what you may know as Oldenlitz, Ambassador to Middenheim on behalf of the Eonir and of Laurelorn."
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*Side-eyes Apparitions and how their kind of spirt have all the emotional depth and complexities of an intelligent being just... a slice of of the whole, rather than a muted form.*
*Wonders exactly how terrible of an idea it would be to take a spirit that preys specifically on wizards and try to expand its soul.*

(Of course, it's also worth noting that Cadaeth implied she might not be able to travel easily to a project set up outside Laurelorn, for whatever that's worth. Also that a spirit tied to and arising from the souls of the living world that have given rise to a liminal realm might have distinct advantages in making that invokes the connection between the Aethyr and the world compared to, well, literally any other spirit.)
 
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