HypotenuseKnight
Knight of slime
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Has it been stated what the rider considers destructive magic
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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i dont think we can have 2 instances of this spell.
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Is it? Is there going to be a time limit? Is there going to be a drain on the user that's hard to keep up? We don't know. It's not a bullshit argument, it's a bunch of unknowns that you are taking as givens. That's led to problems before when we've assumed stuff boney hasn't outright stated (case in point, people thinking they could get the staff to apply to any apparition).
Are they, when a grey can mix in a teleport with the spell? Really, it's more a 'drop melee fighter as distraction, and poof out' spell.
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Trio and Bodyguard seem right from the perspective of making a spell useful to the whole College. Charge and Duel are both fine, but Ulgu Battle Magic has other tools for that. And if going Bodyguard, too many can be a problem.
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xamaplak
WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU'RE @SOUP?
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[ ] [BEHAVIOUR] Bodyguard
The Rider will lay dormant until you attack or are attacked by someone, at which point it will manifest and fight alongside you until combat is over or it is slain.
@Boney if we do this we have the choice not to use it, right? It's not gonna be showing up when we're stealth fighting, or like, sparring?
The Rider will lay dormant until you attack or are attacked by someone, at which point it will manifest and fight alongside you until combat is over or it is slain.
@Boney if we do this we have the choice not to use it, right? It's not gonna be showing up when we're stealth fighting, or like, sparring?
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- Before the Ninth Gate
Trio means battlemagic, which means it's definitely not for the whole college, so I'm going to disagree there. If you want a spell that helps all Greys in melee, I think one is the way to go.
Also, note that this spell at low battlemagic will be the most difficult spell we know, as the staff of mistery applies to all of our current battlemagic.
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Dammit if we ever decide to catch a Handmaiden these modes would be awesome...
Im guessing that the difference between Duel and Charge is how much the rider will make sure someone is dead vs making sure the group is dead/broken
Duel means that the rider wont stop until its target or itself is dead, and is ready focus on doing so: good against more elite/hero units will chase them until the end.
Charge is more for large groups going in their to kill as much as possible rather then focus on any one enemy until the unit 'shatters', but the stronger guys will not be 'focused' so are likely to survive. and 'heroes' just need to 'run' for a bit for the spell to break.
Duel means that the rider wont stop until its target or itself is dead, and is ready focus on doing so: good against more elite/hero units will chase them until the end.
Charge is more for large groups going in their to kill as much as possible rather then focus on any one enemy until the unit 'shatters', but the stronger guys will not be 'focused' so are likely to survive. and 'heroes' just need to 'run' for a bit for the spell to break.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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It's gotta be One or Trio, I can't see us going for more than that. Low to mid Battle Magic seems about as risky as the thread is currently willing to go. And honestly, more than One could be really confusing for people who assume there's only one Dammerlichtreiter.
Behavior-wise, I really think we need to go with either Bodyguard or Charge. The former is ideal for Grey Wizards, typically a bit squishy, and the latter plays directly to the Rider's strengths.
Behavior-wise, I really think we need to go with either Bodyguard or Charge. The former is ideal for Grey Wizards, typically a bit squishy, and the latter plays directly to the Rider's strengths.
I know this is probably a facetious question, but the answer is yes. Grey Wizards need to be trained against an excess of paranoia and of thinking going too far deep certain rabbit holes.
Enchantments are on the table - the Golds are capable of binding the spell into horns, but the Matrix is for binding a spell on a person.
So, uh. I guess it'd be one way to keep someone on a leash, by telling them 'if you dont fucking behave I will explode you from within', but you could probably achieve the same with Shadow Knives.
They'd be Mathilde-shaped, this was brought up last vote. Behavior might be different though, because each Rider would need to be trained from scratch.
Unlike Charge or Duel, Ambush notes that it appears next to the target, as opposed to next to the caster. But you are right - it's less appealing for a mounted rider, which is far more dangerous when it has picked up momentum.
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Its a bunch of unknowns, but unless those unknowns are an acceptable degree of usable(outside of maybe the Band), then Bodyguard is basically a lie/trap and I highly doubt Boney would be that rude.
I mean, yes, and and you should know this already, but you're still trying to imply that the grey wizard would be casting these knights in combat, when no, its explicitly cast ahead of time and they pop out when their condition(caster being attacked) is triggered.
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I am pretty sure we can call off the Riders early if we want no matter which behavior we pick. We would just pull them back to our soul if our opponent surrenders.
I am still very interested in getting 3 or 6 riders and teaching them to charge alongside us and to cycle charge using mist. That feels much more useful than a bodyguard, when we can just teleport out of any given situation and then use the cycle charge to lock down and destroy whatever was attacking us.
Thebigpieman
I've got this, I think.
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At least in Total Warhammer, a unit that is shattered is a unit that has had it's morale reduced and forced from the field. This is different from a regular routing unit where a unit that is routing can reorganize and return to the fight where a shattered unit cannot.
The difference between duel and charge is that with duel the rider will fight till one side is dead where charge considers shattering a job well done.
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If we catch another, I really, really want whispering fog. Think about it: instinctive anti-Chaos, is fog so staff of Mistery benefit also hits.
Okay, hear me out: we Matrix Whispering fog into random chickens. Chaos dude comes by, chicken explodes into apparition trying to eat him. @Boney, is this viable?
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Well I generally consider shattering a job well done as well so charge seems like the better option.
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Bodyguard is cast ahead of time and left dormant in your soul, I don't think them arriving requires a casting check or would trigger Smoke and Mirrors. That's actually a viable idea though, so asking @Boney
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
This is pretty great. @Boney, a direct question about Instinctive: Would it be able to notify us about qualifying incidents without always directly manifesting?
I'm imagining a separate Rider-skin we pick up later, One apparition with the Instinctive directive taking the form of an animal (a cat, for proper ear scratching, perhaps
), that alerts the caster of the existence of active magic use*. I'd like to not give up the ability to send the Cat to go deal with it if we do restrain it somehow, but I understand if that would fall under 'trying it and finding out'.
Edit: *Specifically, magic use the Rider would already be detecting.
I'm imagining a separate Rider-skin we pick up later, One apparition with the Instinctive directive taking the form of an animal (a cat, for proper ear scratching, perhaps
), that alerts the caster of the existence of active magic use*. I'd like to not give up the ability to send the Cat to go deal with it if we do restrain it somehow, but I understand if that would fall under 'trying it and finding out'.Edit: *Specifically, magic use the Rider would already be detecting.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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Also Bodyguard is so much more useful in general if it's sub battle magic. It becomes feasible to have it ready whenever you are feeling a little nervous.
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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I agree 100%, but remember:
Gehenna's framework (in conjunction with rolling pretty well) is probably what's allowing us to possibly finish this spell in just one action. We're not doing from scratch the part of capturing, or the part of binding to our soul, or even the part of training it.
The Whispering Darkness would probably be a lot more action-intensive.
chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
In general, the sensory abilities of Apparitions are suddenly very interesting to me. Kilometers is a big distance to see something we're usually very interested in at, and something that's normally very clandestine, and it's something that Grey Wizards would love to have on them as a general skill.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
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Hunh, you know, I wonder if the Directed Apparition option has anything in common with Alkharad's Long Range Real Time Interaction ability.
Since, well, calling up an apparition and getting it to do basically anything you want would explain how he did that. Would have to reread to see if the specific form he used looked like any apparition in particular.
Kind of why I could imagine it going either way, really: Mathilde's familiar bond with Wolf shows that Souls are weird when distance gets involved. (Though the Exploding Chicken Prospect does put a damper on that a bit.)
Since, well, calling up an apparition and getting it to do basically anything you want would explain how he did that. Would have to reread to see if the specific form he used looked like any apparition in particular.
What I'm envisioning isn't binding the initial apparition to someone else's soul, but the casting of the spell to summon the bound apparition. Still bound to the wizard's soul, but called long distance.... huh.
I feel like that shouldn't be allowed, since it can't possibly be simple to attach an apparition to someone else's soul.
Maybe there's a technique that can do it, but I doubt journeywoman Mathilde's first neat trick is up to the task.
I'm basically saying we might need to invent Mathilde's Massively Modular Mystical Matrix, first.
Kind of why I could imagine it going either way, really: Mathilde's familiar bond with Wolf shows that Souls are weird when distance gets involved. (Though the Exploding Chicken Prospect does put a damper on that a bit.)
My thought looking at Ambush is that both the Ulgu-aligned nature of what's happening and the limited nature of the spell (one strike, then leave) means the advantage of Ambush this is the option most likely to be in the sub-battle magic range.
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Somewhat less useful for using as combat backup, since Mathilde spends a lot of time just murdering key targets in combat, and Bodyguards would pop out and assist as Mathilde is engaging them though, and I think 3 of them is probably still usable just fine before any expected combat or dangerous situation. Especially since at 1 rider it is only possibly sub-battle magic.