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I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
 
I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
I am sure our backlog of things we want to do will not grow smaller with time. Also a large part of our social circle is long lived.
 
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I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
She might want to breathe air? Or eat food?

You don't need a strong philosophical grounding in order to think that living is neat and dying is not neat, even if the lengths you'll go to in pursuit of those notions might feel like it should merit them.

Why should she want to die, so much that she'd sit around and wait for it even if she could imagine a way out?
 
I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
Finish all the projects that piled up while she was finishing other projects.
 
I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?

Might just be my own biases on the subject, but I think 'not dying' is kind of its own reward? Dying sucks, if you can not do it without crossing moral boundaries then go for it.
 
I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
To very loosely paraphrase Sir Humphrey Appleby, Mathilde needs to live forever so she can know whether or not she needs to live forever!
 
Huh, I wonder what kind of social implications for the Empire will be if Collages figure out how to become immortal.
 
She might want to breathe air? Or eat food?

You don't need a strong philosophical grounding in order to think that living is neat and dying is not neat, even if the lengths you'll go to in pursuit of those notions might feel like it should merit them.

Why should she want to die, so much that she'd sit around and wait for it even if she could imagine a way out?

I figure there's a chance she might want to be human more than she wants not to die. The transition to a being made out of wind is likely to sacrifice a lot of the things like eating food and having sex that people live life to enjoy. And that's without the 'twist yourself into something unnatural' echoes of vampires emotionally associated with it.
 
To very loosely paraphrase Sir Humphrey Appleby, Mathilde needs to live forever so she can know whether or not she needs to live forever!
Or his Altdorf counterpart, L.M. Humfritz Apfelbiene
OoO, Omake idea;

-Lifted from somewhere and if you can tell without googling, you sir are a man of culture.

Magister Patriarch Algard gets Schooled on Need to Know

Scene, Newly promoted Magister Patriarch Algard who has been struggling to adapt to his new responsiblities is sitting in his office after recently returning from the palace where he has been asked to give a report about Grey Collage activities, his Pen Magister Grey is on his side and his permenent secretery Lord Magister Humpfrey Appfelbiene who has requested an urgent meeting right after his return from the palace.

M.P. Algard: Humpfrey sit sit, what is this about Magister Grey has said it was urgent.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Sir I heard that today in palace you have denied Lord Wolfgangs house is being watched by our order.
M.P. Algard: It is about that well obviously. It was one question today that I could give an clear, simple and strightfoward and honest answer.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Yes, Unfortunately, although the answer was indeed clear, simple and straightforward, there is some difficulty in justifiably assigning to it the fourth of the epithets you applied to the statement in as much as the precise correlation between the information you communicated and the facts insofar as they can be determined and demonstrated is such as to cause epistemological problems of sufficient magnitude as to lay upon the logical and semantic resources of the Reikspiel language a heavier burden than they can reasonably be expected to bear.
M.P. Algard: Epistemological, what are you talking about?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: You told a ... lie.
M.P. Algard: A lie?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: A lie.
M.P. Algard: what do you mean a lie?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: I mean you lied. I know it is a difficul concept to get across for a Grey Wizard. Erm. Let's see. Ah yes you did not told the truth.
M.P. Algard: You mean we were watching Lord Wolfgangs house?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: We were.
M.P. Algard: We were. When did we stop?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: *checks the expensive clockwork on the wall* about 17 minutes ago.
M.P. Algard: You can't call that lying.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: What would you call the opposite of telling the truth.
M.P. Algard: I mean there was no intent! I would never knowingly mislead the Emperor.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: None the less you have done so.
M.P. Algard: Wasn't my fault. I didn't know his house was being watched.
M. Grey: *interrupting* Magister Patriarch, you are deem to know you are ultimately responsible.
M.P. Algard: Why wasn't I told?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: The Porter might not felt the need to inform you.
M.P. Algard: Why?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Perhaps he didn't know either. Or perhaps he has been advised that you did not need to know.
M.P. Algard: Wel I did need to know.
M. Grey:Apparently, the fact that you needed to know was not known at the time that the now known need-to-know was known. And therefore, those that needed to advise and inform the Porter perhaps felt that the information that he needed, as to whether to inform the highest authority of the known information, was not yet known. And therefore there was no authority for the authority to be informed, because the need-to-know was not at that time known or needed.
M.P. Algard: What?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: We did not know that you would deny it on the Palace.
M.P. Algard: Well obviously I would deny it if I didn't know and were asked.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: We did not know that you would be asked when you did not know.
M.P. Algard: That is bound to be asked when I didn't know If I didn't know
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: What?
M.P. Algard: What?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: It was thought that it was better to not inform you. You see Lord Hans Wolfgang is part of the goverment that is supportive of the Colleges and it was tought better to not create distrust, we only tell you when you should be aware.
M.P. Algard: When is that?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: You should be now be aware because you have just denied it.
M.P. Algard: Well it would have been rather more helpful if I had been awere before I denied it.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: On the Contrary Magister Patriarch, If you had been aware before you denied it, you would not have denied it.
M.P. Algard: But I needed to know.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: We do not always tell you when we are watching somebody when you need to know.
M. Grey: Because you see Magister Patriarch at times we need you to not to know.
M.P. Algard: *Looks at Humpfrey* Why have you decided I did not need to know?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: I didn't,
M.P. Algard: Then who did?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Well, nobody. It was just that nobody has decided to tell you.
M.P. Algard: That is the same thing.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: On the contrary. To decide to conceal information from you is a heavy burden for any Grey Wizard to shoulder but to decide not reveal information to you is routune procedure.
M.P. Algard: Humpfrey, I need to know everything.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Very well. *opens the file holder he had been holding* Stationery deliveries this week ...
M.P. Algard: Humpfrey, I mean important things.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Who should decide what is important.
M.P. Algard: Humpfrey how can you defend this cock up?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Well as you said in the last Electors meet, we got it wrong.
M.P. Algard: You got it wrong. * giving a stright stare at him*
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: I Magister Patriarch am merely your humble servant. The Porter has made the decision.
M.P. Algard: Is there any reason why I should not ask him to resign?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: With respect you should only ask him resign when he makes a mistake which could have been seen at the time and not with the benefit of hinsight. But you see trouble has risen today because of your error of judgement in making this denial.
M.P. Algard: What?
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: You should not have denied something about which you did not know.
M.P. Algard: But that is your fault,you just have admitted it! Keeping secrets from Magister Patriarch
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: Not at all. System works perfectly well as long as Magister Patriarch tells to Magisterial Council everything he is going to say before he says it. But if he says it before clearing it with his councillors he has only himself to blame. With respect Magister Patriarch you must learn discretion.
M.P. Algard: I didn't know there was something to be discreet about.
L.M. Humpfrey Appfelbiene: In Grey Order there is always something to be discreet about.
M.P. Algard: Just get out. Out I say.

* So in the third month of his reign did Algard finally understood the gift of the most vile tasting moonshine left behind by his predecessor and got blind drunk. It would not be the last time.*


FIN.
 
I figure there's a chance she might want to be human more than she wants not to die. The transition to a being made out of wind is likely to sacrifice a lot of the things like eating food and having sex that people live life to enjoy. And that's without the 'twist yourself into something unnatural' echoes of vampires emotionally associated with it.

I mean, Cython seems able to do those things just fine. Turning into a creature of a Wind clearly makes one's physical form more...mutable, but not nonexistent or incapable of interaction.
 
Aren't there allready a lot of wizards that's been hanging around for a pretty long while now in cannon?
 
Huh, I wonder what kind of social implications for the Empire will be if Collages figure out how to become immortal.

Thing is it isn't exactly an immediately obvious change, becoming ageless. Even irl with thoughts on longevity, some believe the first person to reach 1000 years is alive today. Wizards already live longer than mundane humans, at least the higher end ones do, and then there's Elspeth and such further exceptions. It would be more people slowly noticing that a significant number of these wizards have been around for centuries now and don't seem to be going any time soon… and by that point said wizards have been around and probably helping the Empire for centuries.

On the other hand if wizards figure out how to, say, directly reverse aging, that's a different matter, with society wide implications. Also depends on the method. The idea of longevity being a good restricted by wealth or power is kind of horrifying annyway imo, if not it's the greatest development humanity can make.
 
I'm not sure why Mathilde would want to live forever. She doesn't have a burning cause like Kragg does, nor the antisocial self-regard that Cython and Deathfang have, nor even a legacy to obsess over protecting.

What would Mathilde want to do enough to never die?
We are Mathilde's wants, we don't want the quest to end, she doesn't want to die. Also, we want to become a personification of Ulgu cause it sounds cool.
 
I figure there's a chance she might want to be human more than she wants not to die. The transition to a being made out of wind is likely to sacrifice a lot of the things like eating food and having sex that people live life to enjoy. And that's without the 'twist yourself into something unnatural' echoes of vampires emotionally associated with it.


As far as being human or 'unnatural' goes, that ship has already sailed. Mathilde stopped being fully human when she gained her first arcane mark, and there's little as unnatural to this world as the winds that she wields.

As for things that might be sacrificed- personally, if that's the price of immortality I'd find it really cheap. But we don't even know if those are things that are inevitably lost or just things Cython chose to give up.
 
Huh, I wonder what kind of social implications for the Empire will be if Collages figure out how to become immortal.
It is important to distinguish the difference between an indefinite lifespan and immortality. For the most part what we are actually interested in is an indefinite lifespan. Immortality on the other hand can be seen in the average vampire, a state I'm sure you are aware the collages are not a fan of.

Certainly mild improvements to Mathilde's overall survivability are always welcome. The quest for vampirism on the other hand will not be truly satisfying unless we brew the Elixir of Life ourselves. Naturally it would be better still if we could develop our own vampire adjacent state without just copying Nagash's invention.
 
If there are any they aren't likely to become obvious for at least a century. Wizards in general (we are a exception) generally don't have any titles that might be inherented.
I'm not sure Mathilde's title is heiritable either.

We are Mathilde's wants, we don't want the quest to end, she doesn't want to die. Also, we want to become a personification of Ulgu cause it sounds cool.
I, personally, would like the quest to end at some point. I'm enjoying it but things that drag in with no end tend to end up boring me.
 
Okay, do you only want the elves to show up when there's a major threat to the Empire? How do you define a major threat? Is every WAAGH!!! or Norscan raid or Beastman worthy of elven iintervention? Should the elves be declaring war on the Skaven? Should the elves just show up whenever the Empire has a problem and clean it up for them free of charge?
In a GSRP I'm working on having Ulthuan consulates in every provincial capital with strike teams to act as force multipliers that can sortie with Ducal/Elector count forces.
 
I figure there's a chance she might want to be human more than she wants not to die. The transition to a being made out of wind is likely to sacrifice a lot of the things like eating food and having sex that people live life to enjoy. And that's without the 'twist yourself into something unnatural' echoes of vampires emotionally associated with it.
i remember something about macking a magical painting that ages instead of her a couple of years back. "the picture of magister grey" was a serius sugestion at some point.
 
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