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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Candesce said:
Since this has been left around with no one digging up the relevant quote:

The reward for learning battlemagic is knowing battlemagic.

There may be ways earn traits that bump our Magic stat further, but they'll be down the various research and personal improvement actions available to Mathilde. Probably the magically related ones.
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Most of us are probably thinking of this
Boney said:
No. Practicing shaping floating vitae just gets you better at shaping floating vitae. The applications of will required when casting spells are much better at stretching the limits of one's willpower, which is part of where the increases in magic stat from learning new spells comes from
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So battlemagic if actively used is probably still our best way of gaining magic stat. Just knowing all of them isn't.
 
Boney said:
The electoral process does not have any inherent magical rules that must be followed lest the Mandate of Heaven be lost, it's just a method to determine who would win a power struggle so that everyone can skip right past the ugly bits to the part where the winner gets crowned.
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Interestingly enough this implies that the primary qualification to getting an electoral vote is having an army and being willing to weigh in on an internal empire power struggle.

So Laurelorn has the basics.

I'm curious how 'in the empire' applies to other kingdoms, given we've got the time of three emperors precedent, where they were each claiming exclusive sovereignity over their territory but also maintaining their claim to an electoral seat that has influence over the other two. It seems like there's room for flex here.
 
The only thing we know will definitively increase our Magic stat is picking up the Ulgu mark. Outside of that, improving windsight might, improving our other magic-related traits might, and creating and/or using lots of high-magic spells might. We don't have a certain answer, unfortunately.
 
NSMS said:
The only thing we know will definitively increase our Magic stat is picking up the Ulgu mark. Outside of that, improving windsight might, improving our other magic-related traits might, and creating and/or using lots of high-magic spells might. We don't have a certain answer, unfortunately.
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If we become Supreme Matriarch, Boney has said Volans Staff gives +2 Magic compared to our current one giving +1.
 
Blackout said:
Speaking of the Staff of Volans, out of curiosity, has Boney said whether it was made by Von Tarnus or Yrtle's old staff? Canon gives it two different origins.
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Seems like Von Tarnus.

SuperSonicSound said:
Hmm, that's sort of strange given Tarnus ability to make an omni-functional staff that gives +2 to magic to any wind of magic. Are you saying if he'd put the same effort and skill into a aqshy staff then he'd have made something that gives more than 2 magic to an aqshy wielder?
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Boney said:
Mathilde is not Tarnus.
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Boney said:
Serious natural talent, yes. Greatest enchanter in the history of the Colleges, no.
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Glau said:
Interestingly enough this implies that the primary qualification to getting an electoral vote is having an army and being willing to weigh in on an internal empire power struggle.

So Laurelorn has the basics.

I'm curious how 'in the empire' applies to other kingdoms, given we've got the time of three emperors precedent, where they were each claiming exclusive sovereignity over their territory but also maintaining their claim to an electoral seat that has influence over the other two. It seems like there's room for flex here.
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If I had to put down the main disqualification, it would be internal/External identification.

It's a 'soft' issue that is a very heavy 'hard' block to them joining the empire that isn't 'being conquered'.

Even ignoring the fact that the elf's very much don't think of themselves as 'imperial' or want to.

The imperials need to also need to start thinking 'these are our elf's' before those types of questions are a serious topic without get push back from all quarters.

E.g does the group set off the empires 'close ranks against outsiders' instinct

The Moot gambit worked because it was very much an internal group making a power grab. Halfings are very much historically, culturally and politically'part of the empire' so it was very much internal politics.

The elf's are very much external acters trying to get in this theoretical situation.

While it's a bit.. off to think about, the elf's would have to become far far more integrated with the grater empire society, politically and culturally (or somewhat the other way around) before this is a serious discussion.

Basically, if/when the average middle class Enoir starts dressing in puffy clothes and giant hats with fathers, has a favourite middenball team, got invoked in a Aldorf riot over some cause they don't remember when on a student exchange in their youth, and regularly sends letter to business partners/old friends around the empire…

That's when 'do they join the empire' will be a serious conversation.

But that kind of cultural change, especially with elf's, will not be within Mathy's life time.

If they would be joining before that, guns will be invoked. And I don't want that.
 
I imagine getting more Ulgu Marks would probably improve our ability to wield Ulgu, not necessarily the Mark of Ulgu either, too.
 
I think Boris Goldgather explicitly wasn't an elector either. He was some noble in Drakwald but he let the province be destroyed along with its Elector Count while he partied in Carroburg.
 
PrussianCaptain said:
I think Boris Goldgather explicitly wasn't an elector either. He was some noble in Drakwald but he let the province be destroyed along with its Elector Count while he partied in Carroburg.
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Sigmar's Heirs at least calls Vilner the heir to Drakwald, which would presumably make him Boris's son.

It was a line of Drakwald emperors, I don't see any reason to think any of them weren't Elector-Counts.
 
Jyn Ryvia said:
If I had to put down the main disqualification, it would be internal/External identification.

It's a 'soft' issue that is a very heavy 'hard' block to them joining the empire that isn't 'being conquered'.

Even ignoring the fact that the elf's very much don't think of themselves as 'imperial' or want to.

The imperials need to also need to start thinking 'these are our elf's' before those types of questions are a serious topic without get push back from all quarters.

E.g does the group set off the empires 'close ranks against outsiders' instinct

The Moot gambit worked because it was very much an internal group making a power grab. Halfings are very much historically, culturally and politically'part of the empire' so it was very much internal politics.

The elf's are very much external acters trying to get in this theoretical situation.

While it's a bit.. off to think about, the elf's would have to become far far more integrated with the grater empire society, politically and culturally (or somewhat the other way around) before this is a serious discussion.

Basically, if/when the average middle class Enoir starts dressing in puffy clothes and giant hats with fathers, has a favourite middenball team, got invoked in a Aldorf riot over some cause they don't remember when on a student exchange in their youth, and regularly sends letter to business partners/old friends around the empire…

That's when 'do they join the empire' will be a serious conversation.

But that kind of cultural change, especially with elf's, will not be within Mathy's life time.

If they would be joining before that, guns will be invoked. And I don't want that.
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In addition to all that, even The Moot having an Elector doesn't mean that there's any realistic chance of a Halfling becoming Emperor of the Empire of Man.
 
LightLan said:
The Articles of Magic refer to it as Sigmar's Holy Empire.

Why are you talking about the Empire of Man?
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First words in this quest:
Boney said:
Within the borders of the Empire of Man,
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Edit: Also, it kind of makes sense that the document written by Magnus the Pious would use the more religious manner of address, especially when pandering to the Sigmarites to legalize the hithero banned magic.
 
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Mopman43 said:
Sigmar's Heirs at least calls Vilner the heir to Drakwald, which would presumably make him Boris's son.

It was a line of Drakwald emperors, I don't see any reason to think any of them weren't Elector-Counts.
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For what it's worth, the Black Plague novels say that there were two branches of the Hohenbach family, with one being the Emperors and the other being the Elector-Counts of Drakwald, and both sides hated each other.
 
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