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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Feim said:
I... don't think you can codify masteries. they are what happens when you take a spell stripped of personal touches and built on unceasing logic* and alter it unconsciously like one shifts their footing when they step on uneven ground. or like when you sit down to get confortable when reading and slowly shift into a position best suited for it**.

and as anyone who has had to get up after just getting comfotable, you can't do it intentionally no matter how much you want to.


*zhuf logic, but still logic.

**best suited for you specifically
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No, we explicitly can. It's a roll like codifying Rite of Way was. What we can't do is just immediately have other people learn a Mastery without codifying it.

Reginald noted he'd be interested in our Shadow Knives mastery of we ever codified it.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Oh god Teclis is coming to look we're not ready oh god oh god

More seriously, this is very heartwarming but also pretty alarming! I think we should be shelving any actions that aren't AV and Waystones in the near future.

Except... Mathilde actually has 2 Masteries that would be really useful for poor Teclis: Aethyric Armour's staving off of exhaustion, and the Shadowsteed that you can comfortably ride indefinitely, where the regular version tires you out like regular riding.

It'd be pretty cool if we could get one or both of those codified in time for him to show up.
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Unfortunately, if the elf's most powerful vitality-boosting magical stimulants can barely get him moving most days, I doubt a mastery derived from a Lesser magic will do anything. The Curse doesn't mess around. And aside from anything else, I'd be shocked if there weren't fatigue-eliminating spell in High Magic.

Shadowsteed mastery could still be a good thing for him if we could teach it, though.
 
NSMS said:
Unfortunately, if the elf's most powerful vitality-boosting magical stimulants can barely get him moving most days, I doubt a mastery derived from a Lesser magic will do anything. The Curse doesn't mess around. And aside from anything else, I'd be shocked if there weren't fatigue-eliminating spell in High Magic.

Shadowsteed mastery could still be a good thing for him if we could teach it, though.
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The Curse might no-sell the spell entirely, but it might also be another thing the Curse has to deal with, reducing its impact marginally. It could go either way, really.

And in the worst-case scenario, having added an extremely useful effect to one of the most core spells in the arsenal of every College Wizard isn't a bad thing.
 
Boney said:
"Oh, my sweet, clever children," he laughs, and lifts his quill with a flourish to start writing a series of letters that will make a lot of Elves very upset.
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Whatever Ulthuan or the Phoenix Throne think of the matter, the Father of Imperial Magic has no problem with his kiddies learning to fly on their own wings.

Also I shudder to think what Teclis's AP hell must look like if he is getting reports from the entire network, plus all the other stuff that likely gets thrown at the White Tower for it to fix.
 
Fayhem said:
The thing about being Teclis is that being Teclis means being a magical genius on such a scale that you can body fucking Malekith while you're still the elf version of a sickly teenager juicing on magical steroids just to stand up. If it was anyone else, we'd probably have gone unnoticed quite significantly longer.
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Boney said:
The thing about Ulthuan noticing is the person responsible for doing so is fucking Teclis, the guy who has Strength, Dexterity, Constitution, Wisdom, and Charisma for dump stats.
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IMO the best if a tad longwinded way of describing Teclis is thus:
Imagine if you will a game of Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay. Except instead of the usual fare,with the party being a Ratcatcher, a Footpad and Peddler, with the best gear available being a small but vicious dog(and not just because the dog is a Good Boy), it is a super high powerlevel homebrew whith even the starting characters qualifying as Hero units on the tabletop.
Imagine then that one of the players decides to make the Best Order aligned spellcaster possible. Unfortunately, his GM did not take enough crazy pills to allow him to play an early generation Slaan, so our player picks the next best thing- a High elf mage. (Why not Wood elf? Perhaps our player is a fellow urban caveman and also thinks that trees are icky and have cooties).

So, our player takes his mage and proceeds to, in academic terms, MIN-MAX THE BOLLOCKS OUT THE GUY. Like, no holds barred, pull out all the stops, every trick in the book used from scouring the rules over and over, to slipping more crazy pills into the GM's drink and bribing GM's girlfriend.

The end result is a character that has single digit in every non-casting stat (on a 1-100, I'll remind you) and makes DND's memetic "dies from 1d4 random bullshit damage" wizard look durable, but is also powerful enough mage to go toe to toe with the species' final boss after only a couple of levels.

Teclis is that, but with the Curse of Aenarion doing the minmaxing.

Always Late said:
If Teclis knows, how long until the Slann weigh in?
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Whenever someone gets them to wake up + a few decades. Would have been centuries but the Vortex is serious business, worthy of a little haste.
Ganurath said:
Teclis: "Supreme Patriarch Dragomas? Well, it's a pleasure to meet you, but I'm curious as to what happened to Volans... and the rest of my students, now that I'm looking about
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"Well, you know all the things Shyish resonates with? Those happened".
 
NSMS said:
Unfortunately, if the elf's most powerful vitality-boosting magical stimulants can barely get him moving most days, I doubt a mastery derived from a Lesser magic will do anything. The Curse doesn't mess around. And aside from anything else, I'd be shocked if there weren't fatigue-eliminating spell in High Magic.
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I don't think """fixing""" Teclis is an interesting narrative to pursue if it even would be possible, but for his condition something Runic actually seems pretty fitting. Passive always-on boosts are super convenient here and Dwarves have a lot of stamina and toughness stuff in their set of effects. The craft of Thugni also seems like a decent avenue for fucking over an ancient elvish curse.
 
CeBrudras said:
I don't think """fixing""" Teclis is an interesting narrative to pursue if it even would be possible, but for his condition something Runic actually seems pretty fitting. Passive always-on boosts are super convenient here and Dwarves have a lot of stamina and toughness stuff in their set of effects. The craft of Thugni also seems like a decent avenue for fucking over an ancient elvish curse.
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Feels like a post-War of Vengeance Dawi Runesmith giving or selling Runic equipment to an Elgi Archmage would finally give us an answer to the riddle "How much Grudge could a Dawi Grudge if a Dawi could Grudge Grudges?"
 
silentorphan said:
I thought the thread was already calling Regimand "dad," especially after the investigation into Alberich's murders.
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Regimand is First Wizard Dad, yes.
Abelhelm was Stern Elector-Count Dad.
Uncle Belegar, of course.
Algard is our Second Wizard Dad. Though I'm not sure about their home life.
Grandpa Kragg, naturally.
(Great-Great-Great-Greatuncle Hatalath status pending)
Teclis is of course welcome to join the family!
 
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CeBrudras said:
I don't think """fixing""" Teclis is an interesting narrative to pursue if it even would be possible, but for his condition something Runic actually seems pretty fitting. Passive always-on boosts are super convenient here and Dwarves have a lot of stamina and toughness stuff in their set of effects. The craft of Thugni also seems like a decent avenue for fucking over an ancient elvish curse.
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I'm not sure if I'd consider it uninteresting I think its more entirely impractical, and I doubt that fixing it is something rune craft can just...do.

Ultimately this is the result of a major divine curse such that he's only alive via massive interventions and he's arguably still better off than his brother. And if runes were an easy improvement I imagine he'd have found that during the great war.

Fixing him is almost certainly non-viable barring a few things that are unlikely to happen (destroy widow maker, kill Khaine, get a Slann to look him over as examples) and I have doubts that those would fix the problems either or that some of them would be desirable. (Depending on how the metaphysics work out killing Khaine could kill the seperate god and kill the part of the elven psyche that handles war as examples.)

I'm not saying runes can't in theory help, but that depends a great deal on aspects of runes and the curse itself that we do not understand.

At best runes can probably add to one of the many ameliorating measures Teclis is currently using, but figuring that out is the sort of thing that'd likely require Kragg or Thorek to personally work with him for a while.

Catpetter1981 said:
Feels like a post-War of Vengeance Dawi Runesmith giving or selling Runic equipment to an Elgi Archmage would finally give us an answer to the riddle "How much Grudge could a Dawi Grudge if a Dawi could Grudge Grudges?"
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OK much as I like to meme about Teclis being a diplomacy bomb, he is merely bad not instantly causes diplomatic crises whenever he opens his mouth (that trailer is a trailer it is exaggerated for dramatic effect and the one at fault in the situation would have been Thorek in any case.)

Teclis is a hero of the great war against chaos and is well known to the Karaz Ankor. No idea if he's a dwarf friend, but I think if any elf can swing something it'd probably be him. Whether he'd do it of his own initiative is another matter.
 
Okay, confession time: I didn't believe the Tributaries would have a noticeable effect at all, I thought they were too low level and localised, and I was honestly worried that we might have be overselling their effectiveness.

Thank you Teclis for proving me completely and utterly wrong.

Three journeymen spending six months purifying the southern half of Stirland has infact resulted in a pretty noticeable effect, and okay, it was spotted by Teclis, but someone had to spot it to report it too him, so he could analyze the data, and overall it's working and that's fantastic.
 
We don't know if Teclis is actually coming; he might not be able to come himself because of health constraints. He has to wait an unknown but annoying-for-an-Elf amount of time before it's safe to take a high enough dose of his medication, we may well be getting a note and some angry and terrified non-Teclis elves. The note would probably contain things like 'you're doing me proud' and 'why did you stop sending me your crayon drawings, my fridge is looking pretty bare', granted, but it's entirely possible that no matter how much he wants to visit, health constraints make it impossible.

Not that I don't want to meet Elf daddy, from the snippet we've seen he seems great.
 
OK now that I'm properly conscious.

First things first, why the hell is this called a mortifying ordeal? I would assume its this

Boney said:
"Oh, my sweet, clever children," he laughs, and lifts his quill with a flourish to start writing a series of letters that will make a lot of Elves very upset.
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According to Baba when the elves returned to Kislev and found the ice witches had taken over the network there they were pissed, which gives me the impression the elves think that they're the only ones who should be touching it. I maybe painting them with a negative brush, but I think that Ulthuan doesn't like being reminded that it didn't build the network on its own (even excepting the dwarven help) and I imagine they also just don't like the idea of people using the network because it risks more Kislevs.

The more people create their own networks the less magic heads to Ulthuan, the less magic heads to Ulthuan the more likely it is the entire continent drops into the ocean or various magical doohickies that the elves have been powering off of the world's run off of magic stop working. I would imagine its more the latter than the former.

Boney said:
with a curse as old as Ulthuan
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Interesting? Is that just referring to Widow Maker itself being forged at the same time as the continent, or the creation of Ulthuan as it is now with Anareaon taking up the sword semi-shortly before the creation of the vortex and thus Ulthuan's current state?

Boney said:
Turtle Isles
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mmm no idea what's there save that it is Teclis's starting location in TTW2.

Boney said:
his gilded cage.
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Not sure if that's Teclis's view or if this is meant to imply that the Phoenix Court has been trying to get him under control and reign him in. Given his condition that could be seen as to his own benefit (to stop him from burning himself out) or its because they want to stop him from doing things that weaken Ulthuan's relative position of power. Zero Sum politics is hardily just a human thing and the elves have their pride as well, so there maybe factions who want to stop him from propping up groups that would make them stronger, even if Ulthuan isn't made weaker.

Boney said:
unsuborned portions of the Empire
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As in a spy network or is he refering to areas like Sylvania that don't have way stones anymore?
 
Alliterate said:
Algard is our Second Wizard Dad. Though I'm not sure about their home life.
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Algard is Wizard Uncle Who Is Also Family Head.

The ice witch is either grandma or great aunt.
Baba is or will be grandma. I insist
Johann is the cousin you really like. Gehenna is the cool aunt who lives in another state.
The Lone badger said:
Teclis should try turning into a dragon. According to Dragomas it's great for boosting your physical stats.
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It would be the saddest noodle.
 
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