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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Someone successfully looking like they're not there looks like nothing at all. If you compare that to someone else successfully looking like they're not there, then yes, the two will look very similar, but that doesn't necessarily mean there's any underlying similarities.
Well I hear stone is an excellent insulator of magic.
JK, but actually that's the answer you've used in quest, isn't it? You can't hide magic with itself, so the next best thing is a mental effect that makes people ignore their mage sight.
Wouldn't it be possible for Mathilde to infiltrate a Greenskin Tribe or somewhere where enough are gathered that there could be Waaagh energy using the Night Prowler and Doppelganger (recasting it continuously os it doesn't lose its effect) and then try to experiment there to see what reacts with Waaagh magic/field?
Try it and find out.
It's one possible solution. But Eshin Friend didn't even know Mathilde was there, and the effect kept going while he was surprised, and while Mathilde was paying attention (and Mathilde did in fact notice the mental effect). It's possible he used a mental effect too, but it would have to be subconscious and pretty damn subtle. I think the possibility that they developed or learned sneaky ninja tricks is more likely.
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It could just be a passive effect that he raises when wanting to be sneaky. Mathilde can do similar with fear- she doesn't have to know about everyone who might be looking at her for Dread Aspect to effect them.
I suppose there's always the flashbang version of stealth, where you just flood the area with enough magic that your invisibility spell doesn't stand out at all. But that sounds difficult. I guess that's sort of what people are trying to check with the 'can you see through pall of darkness with windsight' experiment that keeps getting proposed every once in a while.
Sure, but while those stop people from finding you right now, they also make it extremely clear that there is someone to find. That's a way to survive failing a stealth mission, not a way to succeed in it.
xamaplak
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My eyes fell out of my head, I don't think I've ever seen a reference to that before, great taste in books. (....does A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court count as the first Isekai? Hmm.)
...also, are there bicycles in Warhammer fantasy? Like they have all the knowledge necessary to have bicycles, but have they put it together in the right way?
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It has come up (in an amusing fashion) at least once before.
I think Zhuang Zhou Dreams of Being a Butterfly has it pretty significantly beat.
There are a few experiments with laufmaschines and velocipedes out there, but without geared chains and rubber they're pretty rough rides.
chocolote12
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Just hacking people's brains to forget or aggressively not care that they're seeing you is probably the stronger 'double invisibility'. Magic resistance can protect you from it, but magic protections like that aren't something you just have up passively unless you're the metaphysical gorilla in the room.
Plus, a constant Mindhole aura is incredibly creepy, which I think Ulgu would be giving points for?
Plus, a constant Mindhole aura is incredibly creepy, which I think Ulgu would be giving points for?
fictionfan
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Maybe make a variation on Pale of darkness which blocks magesight?
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Like the actual Pall of Darkness, it might stop you specifically from being seen, but it also tells people that there's definitely someone out there and gives them a good idea of where to start looking.
fictionfan
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The tunnel from the black Kragg has a fairly regular flow of greenskins coming through it. I am sure that we could divert a few from the We to do experiments with.
chocolote12
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Then they know that someone's stopping them from seeing stuff.
Theoretically, disabling the response to your presence includes disabling the response to being disabled, by contrast.
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I'm not sure that one Orc makes a Waaagh, though.
The energy only seems to be there in aggregate.
fictionfan
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But each attack brings a Waaagh with it under about the most controlled conditions that are ever likely to be obtained.
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Discovering rubber sounds like an interesting adventure in the "Mathilde goes to Swamp Town" AU.
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I wonder if it's possible to cover yourself in strong enough mundane magic-dampening-or-repellent material to become invisible to Magesight. It would not be applicable to Wizards due to it interfering with their actual magic, but I could see people (in this example, Clan Eshin) outfitting their mundane spies or scouts in such.
But it would probably mean Eshin-friend wasn't a Sorcerer: We know you need to cultivate a particular mentality for interacting with any Wind. For Ulgu that'd be a mentality prone to deception, trickery, plot, etc, and for Eshin Sorcerers you'd add the megalomania, self-importance and paranoia of Dhar.
In the RPG (at least in 2e), the Lore of Stealth does have a spell, Pelt of the Assassin, that lets the user have very good mundane camouflage as long as they stay still. It wouldn't be a huge stretch for someone to come up with something like what you're saying based on that.
But it would probably mean Eshin-friend wasn't a Sorcerer: We know you need to cultivate a particular mentality for interacting with any Wind. For Ulgu that'd be a mentality prone to deception, trickery, plot, etc, and for Eshin Sorcerers you'd add the megalomania, self-importance and paranoia of Dhar.
I will also headcanon this. It's not a stretch to imagine this playing a part in things.
Securing test subjects and access to Waaagh energies isn't the problem. The problem is that Mathilde is not a Waaagh Shaman and therefore not capable of making enchantments made out of Waaagh energies that would be easily capable of detecting other Waaagh energies, and that there's no friendly organization of Waaagh alchemists out there that can supply her with Waaagh-reactive materials.
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That's pretty much just a dialled-up version of the existing Take No Heed spell effect, isn't it?
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I mean, we do have a reliable source of a WAGHHH field there, sure.
But I'd only be interested in spending effort on this if we could find/aim to find some sort of material or substance that reacts to the WAGHHH field that isn't the orcoid fungus.
We can know that this is not fundamentally impossible, because Mathilde can detect the field, but she's a thinking being with a soul, and our acoustic servioscope idea only needs wind reactive materials, and those are orders of magnitude-fold less complicated than a person.
The only thing that comes to mind right now is brute force checking every type of material and composite to see if any of them are attracted or repelled by the WAGHHH field by having a bunch of them set up in a space near the tunnel entrance.
Edit: Eshined by Boney. Honestly trying to find a 'waaghh reactive material' seem like the sort of thing that runesmits would have tried to brute-force over the last few thousand years.
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