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We serve a valuable function in the ecosystem of the Grey Order. Being the fabulous and well-known super-spy James Bond who draws attention means that all the other spies have more cover, because obviously they're not a Grey Wizard spy, we know what Grey Wizard spies are like and they're like that maniac Mathilde Weber! And so the rest of MI6 gets to do their job with less concern, because James Bond misleads the world by the fact of his existence. It's a misdirection trick on the level of an organization; I assume that in every generation they cultivate a super-spy or two, because it's so damn useful to the rest of the Order.

Being a showman doesn't just mean being flashy, it means being selectively, distractingly flashy while your accomplices in the crowd are picking pockets.

Funnily enough, it also provides cover for Mathilde's own activities when she does decide to go subtle.

There's a lot of things she's done that people only find out about when she tells them, if at all.

Mathilde can be loud or quiet, depending on what suits her goals at the time.
 
Funnily enough, it also provides cover for Mathilde's own activities when she does decide to go subtle.

There's a lot of things she's done that people only find out about when she tells them, if at all.

Mathilde can be loud or quiet, depending on what suits her goals at the time.
Mathilde can be stealthy as all hell, but I'm not sure that I'd ever call her subtle.

Even the times when no-one knows she was there, her impact was fairly present. Most don't know that Mathilde was in Talabheim, but I expect many people heard about the bisected cultist.
 
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Well to a degree it's useful to the grey college of an institution but there is probably going to be some frustration when grey journeymen are getting hired and then their employer expects them to be Journeyman James Bond instead of Journeyman Regular-Ass-Spy
 
Thinking about it, let's say we agreed that necromancy is a-ok and there's no problem with doing it.

Would we be willing to spare the AP to get good at it?
That's a pretty gigantic hypothetical, but even if there were zero associated problems with it (health-wise and socially), I'm not even sure we'd really take full advantage of the ability to raise and bind the dead to be servants or armies for us. I think we'd see a lot more interest in picking up the offensive direct-damage Battle Magic spells like Gaze of Nagash, Curse of Years, and Wind of Death, since that's directly missing from Ulgu's spellbook.

I can't really see the thread really wanting to raise an army unless the Everchosen, Nagash, or a world-shaking Waaagh comes along.

I expect the main reason Boney was willing to give us a whole +20 to wielding Dhar is that he doesn't expect us to actually use it.

Like, imagine if we got a trait that just gave us +20 to using Ulgu. It'd be insane. Every other trait would pale in comparison to the sheer advantage.
I think part of the reason we got a +20 to wielding Dhar is to hammer in the point that Boney has always emphasized whenever dark magic users show up: It's easy. It's so easy to fall to temptation. To tell yourself 'just this once', or that it's worthwhile, or that you will be different from literally all the others before you.

And it's easy in the literal sense that it gives a lot of power. Necromancers with only the merest whiff of magical power can start throwing around beefy spells and become threats to entire provinces if left alone long enough because of the power Dhar gives them, and they don't typically have the original Liber Mortis to study or have seen Dhar in so many different contexts.

Mathilde... does and has. And best of all, she's been able to reach this understanding without needing to touch the damn thing, which gives her a leg up on all those other petty necromancers simply because she still has her sanity intact and can reason out its nature purely through theory. This is as ideal as circumstances get to understanding it, for humans.

And even then if she ever actually used it, it would take its terrible price on her. It would cheapen the overall point that Boney has always kept consistent, that people fall to the temptation of Dhar because it is powerful and because people are capable of incredible self-delusion to justify their own actions and thoughts. I think that temptation will remain with Mathilde for the rest of her life.
 
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So, how high do you think that reputation count is gonna go when we drop a full set of orbs of sorcery on them? Do we think it's gonna be super classified so no one knows we did it? Or potentially that they even exist aside from the handful of people that will be using them?
 
Aside from those in charge of the Battle Altars, who are probably Battle Wizards, I imagine the Patriarchs and Matriarchs will be talking to their Archivist or equivalent, to see if anything even remotely similar to AV has previously been discovered or created, and subsequently reported. Also, Mathilde might not be the only one looking into making more Orbs; these will probably be spoken to as well.
 
So, how high do you think that reputation count is gonna go when we drop a full set of orbs of sorcery on them? Do we think it's gonna be super classified so no one knows we did it? Or potentially that they even exist aside from the handful of people that will be using them?
Sadly, it's possible it might end up classified. Compared to a regular powerstone, an Orb of Sorcery may as well be a mini-nuke. And we're giving out instructions on how to make them and Liminal Realms, if people can gather up enough Apparition juice's worth out of it, or if they fancy a trip to the Chaos Wastes.

It could be unwise to let non-Magisters-or-higher know. Possibly even non Lord-Magisters.
 
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So, how high do you think that reputation count is gonna go when we drop a full set of orbs of sorcery on them? Do we think it's gonna be super classified so no one knows we did it? Or potentially that they even exist aside from the handful of people that will be using them?
Poor Algard will probably daemon-check us so hard he's gonna look like an MLB pitcher.
 
While there's a good chance of being super duper classified, yes, if not then just by comparison to the number of Powerstones the Orbs can theoretically replace, they could be worth up to 400 favor total or as little as 120. From what I recall at least, it's anywhere from three to ten Powerstones.

This is not, of course, considering the worth of the knowledge on how to make more, the cultural worth of replicating a Teclis level achievement, or the flex of doing it for all eight Winds at once. Then there's the rest of the AV book.

Then again, there's always the possibility of it just devolving into Great Deeds like the Queekish book so that Boney doesn't have to consider how to handle an utterly broken favor system.
 
It'll all be fun and games until Dragomas throws a flying squirrel and Mathilde doesn't know how to deal with a tracking projectile.
 
While there's a good chance of being super duper classified, yes, if not then just by comparison to the number of Powerstones the Orbs can theoretically replace, they could be worth up to 400 favor total or as little as 120. From what I recall at least, it's anywhere from three to ten Powerstones.
In terms of functionality they're worth a bit more, but in terms of favour-economy that's not necessarily how it'll work:
@Boney I'll actually tag you this time, but is there an exact number for how many Powerstones an Orb can make up for, or even just a range more specific than "a whole array"?

Somewhere in the ballpark of six to ten, with the caveat that that does not necessarily mean one Orb is worth six to ten power stones.
 
Six-to-ten powerstones are generally more practical than a single Orb of Sorcery, since you can split them up across multiple applications, and the number of uses for something that powerful are actually kind of limited.

On the flipside, Orbs have extra prestige value due to having been irreplaceable for so long.
 
What *is* our plan looking like for after, regarding our AV usage? Are we planning to make a second set with our reserve? I could see the college definitely *wanting* us to dedicate all of it to orbs or liminal realm projects. But having it to trade to runesmiths is definitely nice. I expect there's multiple opinions of this in thread naturally, but I'm curious what people think.
 
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The Colleges might want AV for more than just orbs or liminal realms. They will probably have their own ideas on what to do with AV, or things that might benefit from it, or avenues of study on it to look into, and that will all require AV. Thus, I don't think a deal similar to the one with the runesmiths is out of the question, that is, using AV to substitute for college favor.
 
Once Mathilde puts AV and it's uses out there, a lot of people are going to be trying to come up with a way get their own supply. Hopefully some will succeed.
 
Six-to-ten powerstones are generally more practical than a single Orb of Sorcery, since you can split them up across multiple applications, and the number of uses for something that powerful are actually kind of limited.

On the flipside, Orbs have extra prestige value due to having been irreplaceable for so long.
I think you're mostly correct. There's one thing we presume Orbs of Sorcery can do that you presumably can't do with six-to-ten power stones, and that's consuming them to power a Calamity spell without a need for a Storm of Magic, and then the user explodes, which uh. Is not practical at all, but having that option without needing to destroy one of the irreplaceable Orbs Teclis gave the Colleges is neat, I guess? A real 'in case of shit getting Extremely Real But Without A Storm of Magic, break glass' measure just became available.

And I vaguely recall a statement about how it's easier to enchant something with a single Orb rather than needing to make room for six-to-ten power stones.

What *is* our plan looking like for after, regarding our AV usage? Are we planning to make a second set with our reserve? I could see the college definitely *wanting* us to dedicate all of it to orbs or liminal realm projects. But having it to trade to runesmiths is definitely nice.
I'm with NuclearConsensus on this, I imagine a similar deal as with the Runesmiths is doable. Hell, we've given enough AV to the Runesmiths in general that I honestly think we should focus on the Colleges for a while, maybe immediately give them another 8 gallons for them to make a second Orb set.

It's not like we really need anything in the way of Runesmithing for the foreseeable future, do we?
 
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