You could give the belt to a 12 year old apprentice and he would still win a good amount of wizard duels before people got wise.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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No. The thematic underpinning of a spell isn't just an interchangeable aesthetic flourishes, it's an inextricable parts of how it works. You need to start completely from scratch, and have a solid explanation for why Mathilde is uniquely capable of coming up with the idea, to try to make a spell foggy.
No. Masteries are not transferrable.
It's already known what went wrong. He miscast. He held a huge amount of magic inside of him and made any one of a million possible mistakes and it meant that instead of the fulcrum, he became the epicentre.
No. Every Wizard has a unique relationship with their Wind, and that means they are the only authority that can exist on whether or not it is a good idea to delve into the penultimate levels of wielding it.
Plausible.
You would really want an actual Bright Wizard to help out with getting the general idea down because you want someone who will react to something going wrong by grounding all the Aqshy instead of just bulldozing forward with the spell like an enchanted item would, but yes, both the spell idea and the enchantment Windherding is theoretically plausible. Though you'd probably have to get an enchantment made specifically for that purpose that would be of very limited use outside of that context.
Lady Magister Grey blew up a Dawi Zhar factory, surely that has to be battle magic?
Lady Magister (then magister) Weber killed half a million greenskins, surely that has to be Cataclysm magic?
See what I mean about assuming? A dawi zhar factory is filled with bound daemons. One might conceivably blow one up with enough well placed dispells that let the daemons run wild
As for Mathilde not 'being dependent' on Kragg's work to win she did get Kragg the Grim to make her that, which is way more unique as Grey Wizard achievements than learning spells of the standard battle magic list. More deeply why do we care about our achievements being 'solely our own'? That sounds very at odds with the very xenophilic and collaborative work of Magister Weber. It even sounds at odds with the speech we gave the ducklings about how Mathilde would be dead without the seed several times over and they should never discount the contributions of their fellow wizards.
This all feels to me a bit like trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.
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Battlemagic let's us kill lots of people without lugging a mountain around. Like the mountain is great, no doubt about it. But it's not very mobile is it?
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I feel like the fighting ability/getting into dangerous fights cycle has been dangerously looping for quite a while now.
It's a Warhammer quest, fights are bound to happen and more dangerous fights are just a result of us being better at fighting and taking on greater and greater responsibilities and tasks.
There's a difference at least in my mind between having our achievements enabled by others in collaboration with Mathilde - like the Eye of Gazul and Branarhune or to some extent the Coin - and just relying on an ace in the hole item that works independent of Mathilde's skill (Belt or Seed).
Yeah, Warhammer being what it is having some artefacts is really useful but I'd rather not have Mathilde essentially be replaceable by a similarly equipped rando (who doesn't necessarily have to be a wizard or a good with swords or blessed by Ranald).
Using other's work as a force multiplier is something I'm really down with but I like some Mathilde skill to be baked into the process.
Well you are in luck then, Kragg would murder any rando who dared use his runes.
On a more serious note Mathilde's skill and reliability with Ulgu is a significant part of how she is so deadly in personal combat.
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Not knowing how to set up the area around the caster to be a near instant kill zone seems like a serious lack of imagination.
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I mean, like, is there a more efficient use of 1 AP than learning Pit of Shades or Pendulum for a rainy day? Like, sure, I would like to make our own BM kill spell, but that would take even more AP, so, like, why not? I would rather not stall on magic, I think Ulgu ascendancy is neat, and we have go use stronger magic to get better at magic.
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Well you are in luck then, Kragg would murder any rando who dared use his runes.
See - relying on Kragg again!
Can't even set up a proper revenge from beyond the grave despite having the Liber Mortis - what a shame!
More seriously Mathilde has gotten into risky situations with magic in the past. Sure she's perhaps more cautious than the average wizard and she's certainly a lot better than the average wizard but she's never been afraid to throw down when needed.
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Bit of a silly idea.
Grey Wizards tracking how long it takes one of their members to try to warn their fellows about the Skaven and the Conspiracy of Silence.
It'd be a good test how a Magister responds to a big conspiracy. Do they immediately go to the Patriarch? Do they tell like minded Magisters? Do they try something stupid or brave?
Imagine a member of the Grey Order telling their old master they've uncovered the Skaven, but the master just scowls because it took him too long
Grey Wizards tracking how long it takes one of their members to try to warn their fellows about the Skaven and the Conspiracy of Silence.
It'd be a good test how a Magister responds to a big conspiracy. Do they immediately go to the Patriarch? Do they tell like minded Magisters? Do they try something stupid or brave?
Imagine a member of the Grey Order telling their old master they've uncovered the Skaven, but the master just scowls because it took him too long
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It's over a hundred... that has to be enough right? Right?
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Unlikely given the magics we're dealing with, but hopefully it is.
Ignoring the fact that I straight up enjoy spell creation, I still think it's better to spend the 3-4 AP to develop a spell that works with our build and has a lower chance of miscasting, than spending 1+ AP learning a generic off the shelf spell risks a more serious miscast.
I'm honestly not convinced that it is more AP efficient, when looking at the risks.
The Gambler activates whenever it is most useful, so if 102 is too low, The Gambler will push it into 122.
EDIT: So if you think 68 is bad, imagine that we rolled 88 instead, since that is effectively what will happen if 68 is too low.
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Are we not benefiting from the room of dusk and dawn on this?
Mathilde is essentially trying to do the opposite of what that room does for her, instead of delving deep into a personal understanding of the Wind and making it do something that only she could get it to do, she's trying to yank it in the direction of objective reality so that any Grey Wizard could perform it. That requires a more grounded mindset.
IIRC there is less then a hundred battle wizards total. Even after adding ~ 50 wizard lords that is not hundreds. As for the things we did, none of them happened in a middle of a major battle, with tens if not hundreds of thousands of combatants on each side. And even if we want to lean into our unique skills killy BM can still be insanely useful, see hypothetical below.
Everchosen's army can be expected to have plenty of casters of their own. It is entirely possible and even likely that in such a battle every spellcaster on Imperial side would have to focus on casting/dispelling just to prevent the army from being nuked/debuffed to oblivion.
There are plenty of reasons canon may not be available. It could they don't have LoS. It could be they are preoccupied with some other target. It could be they are disrupted by enemy's lighter elements (furies, light cav etc). In general I do not find the argument of "the others can do it" to be a good one to avoid learning magic with an Everchosen on the horizon.
I have a hypothetical about that, see below.
No, the matter being discussed is "the Everchosen's army shows up and we need to fight it".
We don't need to be the only wizard in the army for BM to be the most impactful option. We don't even need to be the only BM capable one. Everchosen are not known for bringing small armies, nor are they known for lacking in Sorcerers. There is going to be plenty of need for BM, possibly more then the entire colleges can provide. Also see below how killy BM can make Mathilde much more effective even if we lean into her skills.
And to me your position feels like desperately trying to avoid hammering a square peg into a square hole because you saw someone smashing their finger with a hammer once. So let's not just fling this sort of accusation around, shall we?
Now, the promised hypothetical:
As the armies are preparing for a major clash, magister patriarchs are tasked with assigning their wizards to the areas where they can provide the most impact. Mathilde, who is both a great fighter and a rider, and is alsocapable of getting her unit through an otherwise impassable terrain is assigned to a large unit of knights. That unit is supposed to counter charge across a bog and hit the enemy in the flank or a rear.
So, the moment comes, they charge through, smash a unit of Chaos Warriors with power of surprise and MMM... only to be confronted with a herd of trolls.
Now. Without pit of shades or other killy BM we don't exactly have much to do. Flask can kill a few, but this is a herd, it won't be enough. MMM will help, but there is only so slow and clumsy a troll can get. We can sword them good, but again, this is a herd, it will take a lot of time to kill them and they will take plenty of knights with them. Worse yet, the charge stalls, the counter attack gets stuck in a grind and we are at a risk of being counter attacked in turn and potentially routed.
With Pit of Shades on the other hand, we cast it and significant chunk of the herd is gone. At that point we can kill the rest with other means and move on.
Or perhaps we are confronted with Hellcannons. Unlike normal cannons those things are nasty melee combatants, maybe we can beat them, maybe not, but in any case prologned combat risks us getting counter attacked and overwhelmed. Pit of Shades will straight up remove them. Or at least destroy most of them so we can clean up fast and keep rampaging or retreat safely.
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