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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Mopman43 said:
It's not like the High Elves aren't a traditionalist culture on the whole.

I'm pretty sure the Dwarfs have seen more invention than the HE over the last couple thousand years. Basically every single HE unit has been in active unchanged service for millennia.
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Swordmasters of Hoeth and Dragon Mages at least are relatively new, and maybe Loremasters of Hoeth depending on how you interpret some of the TL.
 
Voikirium said:
>Could have been an interesting examination on the amorality of knowledge by virtue of implying Druchii Sorceresses were learning there
>Could be an exposition on the dangers of knowledge without wisdom by having somebody go full Phrenology
>"Nah they just had an attack of the Dawi"

Can I wake up from nightmare world soon
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You bolt awake in Karaz-a-Karak. You are not reading really weird theories on Elven gods by the Karaz Ankor's sole dwarf-human. It is the year 102 by dwarven reckoning. You are Grimnir, not yet a god, and you have changed your mind. The future cannot come to pass. Ulthuan must burn.
 
Parabola said:
You bolt awake in Karaz-a-Karak. You are not reading really weird theories on Elven gods by the Karaz Ankor's sole dwarf-human. It is the year 102 by dwarven reckoning. You are Grimnir, not yet a god, and you have changed your mind. The future cannot come to pass. Ulthuan must burn.
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Given Volk's view on dwarves, that really would be a nightmare world :V
 
Voikirium said:
Swordmasters of Hoeth and Dragon Mages at least are relatively new, and maybe Loremasters of Hoeth depending on how you interpret some of the TL.
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Sure, but 'relatively new' here still means 'almost as old as the Empire'.

With Dwarfs, at minimum since then you've got Irondrakes, Flame Cannons, and the Gyros. And in-quest at least I'm pretty sure Gyrocopters have only been around a couple hundred years.
 
Mopman43 said:
Sure, but 'relatively new' here still means 'almost as old as the Empire'.

With Dwarfs, at minimum since then you've got Irondrakes, Flame Cannons, and the Gyros. And in-quest at least I'm pretty sure Gyrocopters have only been around a couple hundred years.
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Okay so now that I'm on break and can actually sort of respond: Yes but making a major part of their philosophy and theology "Old Good New Bad" like a Melee tournament is really more a Dwarf thing.

Parabola said:
You bolt awake in Karaz-a-Karak. You are not reading really weird theories on Elven gods by the Karaz Ankor's sole dwarf-human. It is the year 102 by dwarven reckoning. You are Grimnir, not yet a god, and you have changed your mind. The future cannot come to pass. Ulthuan must burn.
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Going from Nightmare World to Hell World I see
 
I do wonder how the Avatar traits work from the God's perspective. Like Ulric is seeing this one wizard gal chasing a slannesh cultist through a city after she does a good wolf roar, shrugs his shoulder and go "sure, have a bit of help kid", and then notice that wow okay, that she was weirdly easy to pump full of divine power-up.
 
Alratan said:
They saw a pictograph that looked vaguely like a snake if you squinted and because the only snake god they'd ever read about was called Sotek they used that name, etc.
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There's almost certainly more to it than that, in world because the most immediate Snake God they'd go to would probably one of the TWO Nekeheran ones, not the obscure lizardman, something about the pictograph was specific enough that they went "and the snake god in question is the Lizardman one, not Asaph or Qu'aph."

(out of world there's gonna be more to it than that because the real world writers of the warhammer setting presumably included sotek deliberately.)
 
reignonyrparade said:
There's almost certainly more to it than that, in world because the most immediate Snake God they'd go to would probably one of the TWO Nekeheran ones, not the obscure lizardman, something about the pictograph was specific enough that they went "and the snake god in question is the Lizardman one, not Asaph or Qu'aph."

(out of world there's gonna be more to it than that because the real world writers of the warhammer setting presumably included sotek deliberately.)
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It was probably a twin tailed comet, that is both Sotek and Sigmar but way too earely for Sigmar.
 
Is there a reason that an apparition spell couldn't be apparition agnostic, as in it needs no specific apparition to function? The spell would just be covering them in Ulgu and letting the apparition's natural qualities dictate what the spell does and how it does it.
 
Imugi said:
Is there a reason that an apparition spell couldn't be apparition agnostic, as in it needs no specific apparition to function? The spell would just be covering them in Ulgu and letting the apparition's natural qualities dictate what the spell does and how it does it.
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I suspect thats like trying to make a collar and reins that works for every single mammal
 
Imugi said:
Is there a reason that an apparition spell couldn't be apparition agnostic, as in it needs no specific apparition to function? The spell would just be covering them in Ulgu and letting the apparition's natural qualities dictate what the spell does and how it does it.
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The natural qualities of an apparition do not inherently contain a means of weaponizing it with a spell. A thinking mind needs to be applied to come up with a way to do so.
 
Sa'kage said:
I do wonder how the Avatar traits work from the God's perspective. Like Ulric is seeing this one wizard gal chasing a slannesh cultist through a city after she does a good wolf roar, shrugs his shoulder and go "sure, have a bit of help kid", and then notice that wow okay, that she was weirdly easy to pump full of divine power-up.
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Ulric: "Huh, she's very spongy."
 
I wish we could trade something with the Druuchi in exchange for books about Naggaroth, their society and their history (as written by them) for our library, I bet most of the libraries of the New World don't have books like that. Naval Druchii books could also be extremely interesting.

I'd also be interested in books about True Dhar but I have no clue what could we even exchange them for. And if we do so we'd most likely need to cheek their contents, thought between the Colleges and some elven house and Grey Lords (and Mathilde knowledge of Dhar which is also quite something) that looks more like a secondary concern to me.


I'd also like to do something to get books from Cathay or Araby. Maybe it'd be possible to use one KAU action to send a party to stablish ties there in the future?
 
Retrueno said:
I wish we could trade something with the Druuchi in exchange for books about Naggaroth, their society and their history (as written by them) for our library, I bet most of the libraries of the New World don't have books like that. Naval Druchii books could also be extremely interesting.

I'd also be interested in books about True Dhar but I have no clue what could we even exchange them for. And if we do so we'd most likely need to cheek their contents, thought between the Colleges and some elven house and Grey Lords (and Mathilde knowledge of Dhar which is also quite something) that looks more like a secondary concern to me.


I'd also like to do something to get books from Cathay or Araby. Maybe it'd be possible to use one KAU action to send a party to stablish ties there in the future?
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One of the Druchi is a literal pirate, he will likely take money and lots of it for books, though it would have to be actual Mathilde money not asking Belegar to pay out. I do not think he would have access to many magic books though.
 
DragonParadox said:
One of the Druchi is a literal pirate, he will likely take money and lots of it for books, though it would have to be actual Mathilde money not asking Belegar to pay out. I do not think he would have access to many magic books though.
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Why wouldn't we be able to use Belegar's money? Besides I thought the pirate would raid people for the books. Not that we could ask him for books from Naggaroth.


For the Dhar books I think our best bet would be the Druchii sorcerer, but no idea what we could give her in exchange (that we would be willing to give her I mean)
 
Retrueno said:
Why wouldn't we be able to use Belegar's money? Besides I thought the pirate would raid people for the books. Not that we could ask him for books from Naggaroth.


For the Dhar books I think our best bet would be the Druchii sorcerer, but no idea what we could give her in exchange (that we would be willing to give her I mean)
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Because you are asking a dwarf to put money in the hands of the worst kind of elf imaginable in a way that can be traced, that is the kind of thing that is likely to stress him and cause a loss of standing if it came to light at a bad moment.

As for his ability to buy books from his own people, well he does go ashore eventually and it's not like pirates are beyond trade when it is lucrative enough.

If we are going to get magic books from the people who put traps in their magic training why ask for Dhar which we cannot cast and only know second hand and not Ulgu which we do cast and might therefore actually better see the traps in? Not that I think we have anything which could do it but... Actually no, there is a thing which might interest her if we are willing to make a very dodgy trade, AV. For the record I am not suggesting we do it, just pointing out we can
 
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Asking for anything magical would probably involve going through the Sorceress unless we only want the really basic stuff, and there it'd probably not be a purely monetary exchange.
 
The Druchii were pretty upfront with what they want.

Dreadlord Ylrishen:
Boney said:
"That said, a better understanding between our people might result in all sorts of information flowing back and forth. Clar Karond and Karond Kar are bitter rivals, and Clar Karond would profit if Karond Kar needed to come to them to replace ships lost by a chance encounter with that navy of yours. A few such opportune encounters and they would learn to seek softer shores."
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Military support towards screwing over her rivals back home.

Captain Maktig:
Boney said:
"By Mathlann, you're wasted here on land. Join my ship and I'll pay you a Sorceress' share and you'll have a cabin all to yourself."
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Adventure, and interesting and competent crewmates.

Sorceress Myrielh:
Boney said:
"Knowledge for knowledge. Every corner of the world has its mysteries, and as you well know, most of your Empire has never seen the visit of a single Druchii ship. Descriptions of those within your reach, and samples of whatever of them can be sampled and transported, would garner quite a bit of her attention and gratitude, and would be paid for handsomely."
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Knowledge and curiosities.

We probably shouldn't make deals with Maktig, because, you know, pirate, but Myrielh and Ylrishen seem possible on a quid pro quo basis. I'm not suggesting anything long term, but I don't see why we shouldn't try to exploit the situation and enrich ourselves—especially if we use the Deceiver to make our bargaining position seem stronger than it is.

I reckon we could sell our orc and skaven research to Myrielh for Druchii magic books. It's military information that doesn't hurt the Empire, and would make the Druchii bolder in going to war with two of the most dangerous races on the planet. The Enemy of my Enemy is my Enemy's Enemy, no more or less, but sometimes I can sit back and watch them fight.
 
DragonParadox said:
If we are going to get magic books from the people who put traps in their magic training why ask for Dhar which we cannot cast and only know second hand and not Ulgu which we do cast and might therefore actually better see the traps in? Not that I think we have anything which could do it but... Actually no, there is a thing which might interest her if we are willing to make a very dodgy trade, AV. For the record I am not suggesting we do it,, just pointing out we can
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Honestly I'm interested in Mathilde reading a book about True Dhar and see what kind of lore Boney writes for it. Also love the idea of Mathilde just understanding Dhar better without ever touching it.

Ulgu would be best for us, but at the same time if they have something useful for us the cost would most likely be extremely high, for a book about True Dhar 101 for beginners probably not so much (also far less unlikely they bobby trap stuff on the level of apprentices).

Though as I said not clue what we could give them for it that we're willing to give them for it. AV is a no go for me like, I can already imagine Druchii sorceresses using it to make something horrible, like maybe they end up creating a MORBs of pure Dhar (which sounds terrifying tbh)
 
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