Mathilde "... I have managed to rework their blessing ritual for the armor, they now get a major blessing of a small time god of nuln.
Etchy the god of acid and acid burns."
Seems much more realistic in 4 updoots.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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Etchy the god of acid and acid burns."
Seems much more realistic in 4 updoots.
In real life maybe, but in Warhammer the trees can walk.
The thing with Warhammer Forrest's is that when you first start to cut it down you get to spin the wheel of
"What the fuck is in this particular Forrest."
Is it
Elves
Beastmen
Goblins
Spiders
Spider goblins
Walking trees
Undead
Necromancers
Vampires
Lizardman
Floating frogs
Other assorted beasties
Chaos warbands
Or nothing.
The chances of nothing are suprisingly slim.
Edit: i forgot "dragons" put dragons on the list charlie."
"On it boss"
"What the fuck is in this particular Forrest."
Is it
Elves
Beastmen
Goblins
Spiders
Spider goblins
Walking trees
Undead
Necromancers
Vampires
Lizardman
Floating frogs
Other assorted beasties
Chaos warbands
Or nothing.
The chances of nothing are suprisingly slim.
Edit: i forgot "dragons" put dragons on the list charlie."
"On it boss"
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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In the right climates sure, but plains and grasslands are a a thing that can very much exist without human intervention.
Saying you need people to prevent any land from becoming forested is just untrue. Not all climates are suited to forests.
Not all but very few, there's a reason trees are one of the oldest species of things still around. It's just so efficient.
You don't get the upgraded trait and the mechanical and narrative effects thereof until you meet whatever this vote decides is the goal. The narrative justification I vaguely gestured towards in the update is where I mentioned Mathilde's regular practice and her recording the drills she's developed that will, upon completion of the style to Mathilde's satisfaction, become part of the new daily practice regimen she will develop. But yes, the actual reason for that is because this is a quest that has mechanics. And yes, if you put your mind to it, you can spot the imperfections where mechanical abstraction meets narrative during moments like this. Not doing so is also an option.
That seems like a very significant upgrade for something that was emphasized to be a very marginal increase in utility.
As someone who just caught up I found Rite of Way to be a little disappointing. Like still cool and very useful. But when I first saw it in the spellbook I thought it was going to work by hiding the ground so you can't tell that it isn't flat.
Edit: So I guess I could describe it as applying Wile E. Coyote physics and cunningly using mist to stop anyone from looking down.
Edit: So I guess I could describe it as applying Wile E. Coyote physics and cunningly using mist to stop anyone from looking down.
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neutronium95
Mad Rocketeer
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- The test site
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[x] Guard bypass
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- Brazil
That is just a worse Miasma spell, instead of messing with time in an area it messes with your perception of the ground.
This is due to the 'Delicious Burrito' restriction on spell creation. If you can make a spell that works by the ground becoming effectively flat just because you can't tell it's not, you can make a spell that transforms anything into anything. To avoid this, the effect needs to either align thematically with Ulgu - and perfectly flat ground that is easy to travel on doesn't - or use existing spell mechanics.
pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Perhaps much broader was unintentionally misleading phrase (and generalized a pipe dream), but if common branulhune swording covers 99.9% use cases, and bypass and doubletap covers the last promile, then getting both essentially doubles the amount of use cases over just getting one of those.
Which might be taking the entire off the cuff comment at too much face value, but if we specifically go out of our way to learn both, whatever the resulting trait would be probably should be broader, on account of covering groups of enemies that one or the other wouldn´t. Thats all i really meant.
Hmm, I don't suppose we could use the Father side of the coin as a Son-in-law side? I can't imagine walking up to the Cult of Verena and going, "Hey, you know that sword of your goddess that She stole from Chaos? The Sword of Judgement? Yeah, so it's also the Mark of Ulgu, and I was thinking about making a spell out of it. Mind telling me, oh, everything you know about it?" will get us anything less than the door slammed in our face otherwise.
More seriously, at least for the Empire, I could see people associating Ulgu with, if not the Sword of Judgement, swordy judgement by association with the Grey College. I imagine the average Imperial peasant doesn't have a great grasp on the concepts of Ulgu itself and more Grey Wizards, and Greys aren't just sneaky, they're specifically sneaky secret police, delivering judgement from the shadows.
Of course, that in itself is a stretch, and could be taken further as, "Well, most peasants probably don't think of magic and wizards in terms of winds at all and just think magic = bad," so I guess it's a moot point.
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- Hiding in the walls.
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- She/Her
I definitely don't intend to be poking at the seams too much here, so I apologize if I ended up doing so.
I believe the idea was "the same effect as Rite of Way, but with that mechanism". Which is pretty cool in theory, but, well. As Boney just noted, there are some drawbacks to that mechanism, and it's very hard to render it nonexpansible once you permit it.
I believe the idea was "the same effect as Rite of Way, but with that mechanism". Which is pretty cool in theory, but, well. As Boney just noted, there are some drawbacks to that mechanism, and it's very hard to render it nonexpansible once you permit it.
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- He/Him
[X] Guard bypass
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
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- The Destination of Fate
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- She/Her
Even if Verena's cult knew the Sword of Judgement story (which is about Hoeth iirc), and even if they were willing to share, Verenan priests don't have (at least in the books) a spell to create a magic sword or whatever, only one to empower an existing one. And even if they did in this quest, there's worlds of difference between divine magic and Wind magic, you can't expect one to apply to the other.
Boney's already said it's doable, let's not overcomplicate any of this.
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sigh [edit: 'sigh' is performative my lovelies. I was aiming for the comedic and theatrical
]Look. I read this and you are talking about the most absurd power escalation that isn't jumping into literally 'deific bullshit' and.... yes. Narrative good. Narrative and character and good writing and worldbuilding and meaning is why I care to read any of this. But still, when you speak of absurd Morb Pauldrons[1], this is my emotional response:
I want that.
So yeah. That gibbering 'power-levels', 'numbers-go-up' screeching howler monkey is a part of me. And I doubt I'm alone in that regard. My point is... [i dunno. this wine is tasty?].
Uh... my point is, that there will never be a point where that [dumb] part of me is satisfied outside of when that particular 'release dopamine' button[2] is being pushed.
So there are always going to be folk in this quest that on some level are going to want moar. Moar killyness. Moar numbers-go-up. I am one of those folk, occasionally.
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[1] Boney's excellently conveyed worldbuilding has meant that I personally will always be against 'Morb Pauldrons[a]'. Morbs will always be of higher utility to us as something to give to the colleges or maybe trade[c] than as an enchanting reagent thingy. There are other players who's desire for that sweet sweet 'number go up' hit actually results in them sincerely kinda' wanting those Morb Pauldrons.
[2] I have other levers of varying complexity. That 'numbers-go-up' button being pressed, especially at the expense of other nice-brain-chemicals-buttons being pressed will quickly lead to me being bored. And I know that. I even make use of that on occasion.
[a] A major component of 'why' I would be against such is that enchantment is a gamble. If we knew what we get out of using a Morb, that would change an aspect of my evaluation. Aversion to certain expenditure of a Morb vs. uncertain gains.
[c] Trade to dragons for STORIES, if said dragon[b.1] might be interested.
[b.1] Cython. For every story and fact that we can get so as to better to style on Hatalath.[/B][/B]
edit: oh feck fighting with SV's formating. I'm too drunk. I no longer care if the formatting or the note-linking is a bit wonky.
That fact of the matter is, this is the output I get when I hit the keys above the letters of my keyboard:
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No exclamation mark, no quotation marks, no asterixis and no brackets unless I copy them from a google search. :/
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pucflek
Verified simpleton
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Immediate good benefits over future unknown how much better benefits. At cost of more AP to even get the benefit we counted on having right now.
It is provably possible to associate Ulgu with sharpness, seemingly through a connection to boundaries - Penumbral Pendulum does this to devestating effect. But The Penumbral Pendulum is Battle Magic, and ideally a Shadow sword spell would be at worst Fiendishly Complex, and honestly even that might be a bit too high.
Markus Fischer starts his rendition of the myth by saying "This myth is not known to the cults, for it comes from the Asur" so yeah, they probably don't know.
I get you, I'm the one who suggested getting Ithilmar and seeing if dwarfs could rune it way back when. It certainly vote for it if it seemed likely we could get it, or if we were heading into a Dum-like very dangerous circumstance. What I was arguing against and still am is treating that as the default of combat preparedness
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- He/Him/His
Because spending an entire additional AP on .05% marginal gain isn't worth it to me.
99.95% of the possible benefit, at half the AP cost, seems like a slam dunk for me. For the same price of 1 AP, we could:
- Upgrade our Eonir Diplomacy skill to Advanced
- Begin working on gaining control of our Arcane Marks
- Practice seeing through Pall of Darkness to be even more of a terrifying death machine in melee
- Start the Apparition chain
- Try codifying our Shadow Dagger mastery so other Greys can learn our sword style
- Start learning a language (and possibly finish, depending on how awesome Polyglot is)
- Upgrade one of our Intrigue skills, like Scouting
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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Really Morbs seem like something that would be useful in a Workshop or something if Mathilde personally is going to use them.
Maybe a Battle Alter could be an idea we could look into.
I would like to maybe keep a set for research at the very least. That and Hatalath's reaction would be fun.