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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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The solution to that is don't, just do not. The category of people who can deal with a teleporting sword they have never encountered, wielded by a teleporting wizard with decades of experience isn't even a category, it is a nominal list, specifically a list of beings we should never fight unless we have comparable help or are suicidal.
I am reminded rather strongly by the above of the argument someone made when we got the runesword that if we get it we would be incentivized to endlessly improve combat to greater and greater heights to the detriment of more interesting things. At the time I did not believe this to be the case, but this argument... leans in that direction. What next? Do we need to look for Ithilmar so we can made armor with only the finest runes and Orbs of Sorcery for pauldrons? After all it would take a world famous armor to match the super-duper-killing attack and if you cannot take hits from the Slayer of Kings what is the use of dealing attacks that might ring against the Armor of Morkar? And so on and so forth...
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Of course not.
The route to better armor is to improve our enchanting.
Sinsystems
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The best way to survive is to make it so that when they try to hit us we aren't there.
Do we have an Eike character sheet anywhere?
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Dermonster
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Detractors of the Eike Hochschild franchise often complain that Eike is a Mary Sue. Having a tragic background and then turning out to be the heir to a great fortune and also a wizard can be justified as standard book protagonist stuff, but then on top of that she's a talented student and she receives special sword lessons and is talented at that too and she gets the Super Special Mark of Being Good at Magic. Oh, but she has flaws - being too honest and caring too much. Such flaws.
Personally I think it's a good series. At the end of a day it's aimed at kids, and for YA it's actually pretty good writing, though admittedly I did find the first EIC Arc a bit dry. And I think the author does a decent amount of writing to justify some of the scenes that keep coming up in criticism of the work, and that justifying is very often ignored - I can't count the number of times someone complained about the scene where Eike disarmed Master Weber while completely ignorning that she was very clearly noted to be fighting in her off-hand. If I have one problem it's with the author's claim that he rolled dice while writing the story as a way of justifying some of the more unbelievable coincidences. My man, literally no one is buying it, the story is fine and you should just stand by what you've written instead of making up those transparent excuses.
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Knowing the thread, I doubt we will just take a look.
Now that you've said it…
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You're both wrong. Eike isn't the main character. She's from a rich family, lives with a stern but loving grandmother, her talent was discovered early and she has a powerful lady magister happy to take her on. That's way too easy. Sure, she's got some dark backstory for later on in the story when she becomes friends with the MC, but as a starting point that just doesn't do. She is the rival.
Like, look at Mathilde: She's quirky, but you have to dig. That doesn't work for the mentor of the MC, not at all. Frankly, I think her obessions with puns, acronyms and naming stuff after herself was a retcon for the Eike spin-off. Before that, she didn't get much screen time. Just the occaisonal mention to make Eike cooler (and pretty nonscensical stuff, I don't think they'll ever explain what the whole dwarf soul thing is about that was metioned off hand when the writers needed Eike to speak dwarf and be familar with their royalty), and wisk her off at the end of the college arc so she doesn't overshadow the others during the later arcs that happen more on the outside.
Consider just about every single pathfinding effort Mathilde has taken to date. We don't even need to vote for it most of the time.
Parabola
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What a nice update to wake up to.
Adding onto what Boney and other people have already said, I estimate that the number of enemies against which having both double-tap and guard bypass would be helpful due to them having strong magical weapons/armor and being tough enough that double-tap would be meaningful are in the single digits (well, probably in the double digits taking all canon sources instead of just 8e like I'm doing here).
Malekith is the most visible one for sure (we've had several VS arguments regarding him already), but there's probably also Greasus Goldtooth (who is about as tough as a dragon and has a Str 10 club, the Sceptre of the Titans), maybe Krell (his armor auto-dispels any weapon that manages to injure him, and he can likely survive the first blow from Branarhune), probably Tyrion (the Dragon Armor of Aenarion in the armybook is mechanically no match against Str 10 attacks but can't imagine it being weaker than Branarhune lore-wise), some Chaos champions (canon Archaon, maybe Kholek Suneater), and a few Daemons with strong magic weapons (Skulltaker, Skarbrand).
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Adding onto what Boney and other people have already said, I estimate that the number of enemies against which having both double-tap and guard bypass would be helpful due to them having strong magical weapons/armor and being tough enough that double-tap would be meaningful are in the single digits (well, probably in the double digits taking all canon sources instead of just 8e like I'm doing here).
Malekith is the most visible one for sure (we've had several VS arguments regarding him already), but there's probably also Greasus Goldtooth (who is about as tough as a dragon and has a Str 10 club, the Sceptre of the Titans), maybe Krell (his armor auto-dispels any weapon that manages to injure him, and he can likely survive the first blow from Branarhune), probably Tyrion (the Dragon Armor of Aenarion in the armybook is mechanically no match against Str 10 attacks but can't imagine it being weaker than Branarhune lore-wise), some Chaos champions (canon Archaon, maybe Kholek Suneater), and a few Daemons with strong magic weapons (Skulltaker, Skarbrand).
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I think I've unironically seen this proposed once - the Morbs do make it a lot easier to enchant things, and Ithilmar is a superior metal when it comes to being lightweight (which we want to be because our fighting-style revolves around moving around in only robes, not movement-restricting armor). But unless we can boost our Magic stat slightly higher first somehow (looking at you, Mark of Ulgu), it wouldn't actually be particularly more protective - though it might give a longer-lasting untiring effect.
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Mathilde would absolutely die in Eike's show... every other episode. Oh sure, the first time they'd take it seriously. Eike having a bit of a breakdown after receiving the news through a grey order missive or some such (on accident) until she happens upon Mathilde sipping some wine in her Never Ever Explained Dragon Chair Of Doom later in the day after an entire episode of introspection, sadness and grief...
Then it's just a running gag where Eike grows more and more jaded to Mathilde's many ridiculous 'deaths', which are perfectly in character for the stuff she regularly does despite that. As well as discovering that no matter how disgustingly obvious Mathilde makes the fact she's still alive. Most everyone outside of Eight Peaks and the Colleges assumes she's a spirit still desperately trying to fulfil her oaths to her various Lords. Forever trapped by... Divided Loyalties. Which the audience naturally never forgives the creators for literally saying in the show, even as a joke.
Then it's just a running gag where Eike grows more and more jaded to Mathilde's many ridiculous 'deaths', which are perfectly in character for the stuff she regularly does despite that. As well as discovering that no matter how disgustingly obvious Mathilde makes the fact she's still alive. Most everyone outside of Eight Peaks and the Colleges assumes she's a spirit still desperately trying to fulfil her oaths to her various Lords. Forever trapped by... Divided Loyalties. Which the audience naturally never forgives the creators for literally saying in the show, even as a joke.
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I mean, it's not how I expected someone to make the case for our EIC action that wrangles up a bunch of ithilmar but I'm not opposed.Knowing the thread, I doubt we will just take a look.
Now that you've said it…
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NavySeel
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This seems to me like a basically pointless argument anyone could make about anything they personally aren't interested in.
If I wanted to see Mathilde do cool fighting stuff I could easily complain about all the constant research actions or even this waystone project in almost the exact same way. If I was into politics I could do the same thing about research and combat, though the waystone project might be safe.
You can attack basically anything you personally don't find Interesting with the complaint "Its taking actions away from more Interesting things"
And all of these are constant with ever more actions spent on them, it's an ongoing quest so of course were going to keep improving on things.
Mopman43
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Specifically the Ojou-sama rival?
Not exactly the typical personality I don't think, but she's got the background.
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Mathilde does cool fighting things all the time, the thing that would be wasting our time is training against enemies she has no business fighting which leads into more training and crafting, and spell study just so we could maybe stand a chance against the true named heavy-weights of the setting and then oops you rolled low he rolled high, dead anyway. The number of action points you need to spent to reach higher and higher levels of combat powerless does not just increase, it increases exponentially in quantity and difficulty as you get to the rarefied heights of Combat Monster Mathilde, that is the point I am trying to make.
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Not quite the standard ringlets ojou laughing smug, she's more the inexplicably powerful student council president who basically runs the school and people treat like an actual princess for some reason.
I don't think there is anything to gain control of, it just makes her better at magic, nothing negative or unintended.
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At what point does Mathilde have no business fighting?
Drycha? Khorne empowered Champions? Vampires? Orcs Empowered directly by Gork?
I can literally make that exact argument for Magic of all things. It gets exponentially more difficult, we have no business fighting the true highest beings in that department.
If we get in a magic duel with Nagash, Morathi or Teclis we're dead.
What point do we stop improving that?
@Boney
When it comes to making the proposed "shadowsword" spell in order to make codifying Mathilde's Branalhune swordfighting style more usefull
Is such a shadowsword spell already something Mathilde can invent with just her spell mastery in Shadow Knives? Or would she need a separate spell creation trait like how warrior of fog paved the way for Mathilde's Rite of Way spell?
When it comes to making the proposed "shadowsword" spell in order to make codifying Mathilde's Branalhune swordfighting style more usefull
Is such a shadowsword spell already something Mathilde can invent with just her spell mastery in Shadow Knives? Or would she need a separate spell creation trait like how warrior of fog paved the way for Mathilde's Rite of Way spell?
dinomannitro6
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With how the beginning was written I was worried we had rolled low again, but instead it turns out we critted
With how the beginning was written I was worried we had rolled low again, but instead it turns out we critted