Kislev does not enslave everyone, from the very few posts that exist about this topic from Boney, this is a good piece of information about it since it discusses it somewhat.
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Kislev does not enslave everyone, from the very few posts that exist about this topic from Boney, this is a good piece of information about it since it discusses it somewhat.
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According to Boney canon male Wizards aren't killed unless they try to touch the Ice Magic, but they still seem to go to the Colleges because that's the best method to gain control over their powers and learn more. Beforehand there used to be the Fire Spire, but that no longer exists.
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So a trained and uncorrupted Magister would likely be greeted with open arms in Kislev, especially if he's a Light, Bright or Jade.
Logically a lot of male wizards would have to be killed by simple logistics in Kislev, they do not all have the resources to go to the Empire and indeed in the more distant and isolated parts of Kislev they may not even know what the Colleges are. Absent any teachers, since neither the Hags or the Ice Witches will take them the ones without Volans' self control will touch magic, eventually touch Dhar and have to be put down. There aren't even illegal organizations internally that could teach them control the way the Hedgwise or the Druids could do for imperial wizards in the old days.
On the other hand the female half of the magical population does have legal options so in terms of magically gifted people killed Kislev still probably comes out with less blood on their hands than the pre-Magnus Empire.
On the other hand the female half of the magical population does have legal options so in terms of magically gifted people killed Kislev still probably comes out with less blood on their hands than the pre-Magnus Empire.
Not neccesarily speaking, from what I can find about the topic for Kislev and Wizards it is actually dependent on a number of factors which alter the equation. The low influence of Ice Witches was noted to be part of the reason for the safety of the Magisters visiting along with the fact they are coming for official business. Change the equation such as a journeyman instead going to Kislev, a position of lower political power, the influence of the Ice witches being high or them coming for unofficial business and you may get an entirely different outcome in terms of reception and safety. Although as you noted them trying to touch ice magic is likely to be the redline regardless of the political position of the Male wizard. Here is the quote about Male wizards and Kislev.
Don't forget that Kislev had that one vampire queen for like 150 years. With no fire spire and the Ice Witches being actively hunted by the government, being a magic user in Kislev would have been very difficult until quite recently.
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It wasn't a great time for them, but were the Ice Witches actively being hunted? I don't remember anything about that in-quest.
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From what Mathilde seemed to glean, they are still leery about male casters who aren't explicitly spoken for by their wind, i think. So i think "they aren't killed unless they try to touch the Ice Magic" is a lot like "are sent to Colleges when they demonstrate the talent". We all know how that went for Mathilde.
I think its a lot more of a three way road, where they either are killed by superstitious folk, go to Empire because if they choose otherwise they will be killed, or are killed because they did not choose to go to Empire.
That is assuming that someone who touched the winds could in fact turn to divine magic after touching the winds which we do not know IC or OOC. It is just a theory held by Teclis and some wizards.
I mean, it is still a struggle for the Empire to get to budding wizards before they wind up on bonfires. In cold, chaos infested, far-flung Kislyv I cannot imagine they have LESS of a problem with unnecessary witch burnings.
It depends on how effective the Kislevite Cults are at recruiting those with magical talent as priests/the cultural narrative that shapes the personality of children with the talent. Do they have a tendency to manifest that talent through prayer and reaching out to a god's power, or by reaching out to them ambient winds.
With officially sanctioned magic users embedded in the community you could see a virtuous cycle of magically talented boys being diverted into the priesthood, producing more miracle using priests, who themselves can help detect and guide future generations of the magically talented into the appropriate professions.
After all, the Ice Witches are to some degree priests of the Ancient Widow, and Hag Witches commune with the spirits, which can be seen as having things in common with the gods. Both use Lores of Witchcraft, not Arcane Lores. As a result the Kislevite Witches and Miraxle working Priests may be less resistant to the idea that the potential for their talents is related. This is unlike Imperial priests, who see their miracles as a categorically different thing to arcane magic. Kislev is also further north so may have more magic users, which may actually be an advantage as most communities wouod have one visiting regularly.
This would start to break down in the cities and in areas where Imperial cults like that of Ulric had taken hold, where magically talented boys wouldn't be detected until they were too late, and so become arcane rather than divine spellcasters. Of course, it's those that foreigners would be exposed to.
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Depends how Ulthuan feels, considering the Empire generally has minimal leverage. Reaction could be anything from "here they are" to "do it yourself, but don't make a mess" to "no, and go away".
If they're on the run from the Empire, the Kislevites are unlikely to be particularly welcoming either, unless there's already enough tensions that they want to irritate the Imperials.
No, because they're using the older sense of the word, where a cult is basically any religion. No cult in Warhammer matches the common definition today.
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More like "If you accumulate enough back taxes, we'll have words if you reach civilization without paying them in a reasonable timeframe" I'd guess. The bursar won't complain if you legitimately were too busy combating threats to the Empire to arrange for the delivery of tithes. I don't know if there's a banking system, but Wizard Mathilde could probably send a promissory note backed by the vaults of Dame Weber if the transfer of physical currency was rendered impractical.
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Canon Ice Witches seem to view them as separate things, given that RotIQ says they kill all men with magic potential, but casting Priests still exist and don't seem to suffer persecution.
Not sure about in-quest, given we've already had an Ice Witch wielding divine magic.
156 years to be precise, with a vampire who is specifically noted to have a spree killing habit during there rulership, who is likely to have being focusing on taking out threats to her rulership such as the Ìce witches and hags due to the immense influence they have on Kislev along with the capability of stopping her as demonstrated by her being eternally frozen by them when overthrown.
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In general I'd argue they should be more accepting of Magic than in the Empire, they've had accepted magic traditions going back since before the founding of Kislev.
(I have had to argue this with people that hate the Kislev roster in Total Warhammer and insist that Kislev totally hates magic even when it's Ice Magic that's been part of their society for a millennia)
Though that doesn't really help male wizards, probably.
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What Mopman said. Their Wisewomen have been leading them for more than a millenium. Its the men that suffer for it, if they don't fuck off/go priest.
Speaking of priests, this might actually be part of the reason why clergy of Tor, Dazh and Ursun has such trouble rebuilding. The institutions that let them take in the boys that would become miracle wielders were annihilated and so all the ones that have shred of potential are forced to leave or killed. Leaving priests through which the gods would have to bruteforce the miracles, if they even wanted to since apparently none of them are worthy.
That highly depends on if magic wielders also make good divine wielders. Which we don't know. Some do some don't probably.
Yeah, I was talking about the men as well. The chain of conversation was about Kislev men being sent to the colleges rather than killed. My point was the EMPIRE has problems with people getting killed before they can get to the colleges, so I doubt that Kislev has it any better.
You kill a prospective Ice Witch though... That gets your village wiped out by an angry blizzard. Kill a prospective hag witch and the spirits make you dead.
Kill someone who should really have better been sent to that empire college thing way down south... who cares? Better to be safe than sorry when it comes to chaos.
Despite her spree killing habits she still ruled a functional state that was capable of resisting the Norse, Kurgan, Beastmen; Trolls, etc.
I think it's likely that she was herself an Ice Witch, and that although the Ice Witches suffered under her rule just as Kislev did, they probably remained part of the state apparatus and military. Khan-Queens need people to rule, and subordinate Ice and Hag Witches ar every useful,
Sure, the Ice Witches eventually turned against them, but from what we know of the revolution in Kislev it was partially motivated by the fact that the younger nobility realised they'd never inherit because their own elders were immortal
Vampires. As many Ice Witches are members of the nobility, I suspect the reason they're currently in a bit of a state is that many of the most powerful Ice Witches had been turned into vampires and were 'killed' by their unturned apprentices/children. What happened in Kislev seems to have been a place couldn't type of revolution rather than a civil war.
I don't see why those institutions would have been annihilated. Much more likely to me that they were co-opted by Kattarin and their leadership was purged post-revolution, just as the aristocracy was, given how intertwined they were.
Having it be a case of the vampires taking over existing institutions seems much more interesting to me, and fits with how Lahmians work. They seeks to subvert strengthened human civilisations, not destroy or even conquer them.
I suspect Kattarin even started out with good intentions, and possibly even ruled well for some decades, but became increasingly unhinged as she became older as vampires are prone to, and so responded very badly and counterproductively when younger non-vampiric members of the elite started agitating for more power and authority.
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I don't think we know that.
That's the mission-statement of the Tsarevich Pavel Society, but I don't know that that was the motivation of Tsarevich Pavel.
I don't even know if the Society is linked to Pavel beyond naming themselves after him.
Correct, it really does not help the male wizards in actually surviving in their society, as if they is suspected of them doing magic, they will be killed no exceptions, which only changed recently in that unofficially Male wizards started running towards the Empire's colleges through the border for the sake of survival from their society. Honestly speaking alot of the Male members from Kislev n the Colleges are not going to like the ice Witches at all because of their influence leading to them having to abandon their home.
But I think we do know that the society was part of the overthrowing of Kattarin the Bloody. So we do know that it was partially because of that. Even if Pavel supported the revolution for other reasons, we know that the desire of younger nobility to one day inherit was part of the broader cause. That tells us quite a lot about Kislevite society under Kattarin.