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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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Boney said:
"But even after it had forgotten, we remembered its true name. As Chaos crept closer and threatened us with extinction, the founding truth of Karag Dum was reversed. The old gods are the only force that could rival Chaos, so Karag Dum called the least terrible of those known to it. Karag Dum called the being that was Shadowgave, that was city-father, and that was the desert wind, because the first thing it was, was the teacher and warden of the Dawi. So once more it teaches and it wards, and the skulls of Kurgan and the essence of Daemons sink into the sands that it rules.

"Chaos has swallowed Karag Dum, but every step down its gullet will extract a price in blood." He sighs, and glances at the axe he has still not relinquished his hold on. "I couldn't find it in myself to judge whether that was a grim victory to support, or a betrayal to condemn. Nor could I go down the path of the few Elders that still linger in Karag Dum, doing nothing but watching with hollow eyes and still tongues as their grandchildren go about their lives never knowing that their very souls have been reforged into weapons of spite against the Chaos Gods.
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I wonder what exactly all of this means? Morghur has been bound to Dum such that the very souls of the Dawi are changing? And he's teaching them the corrupt knowledge that has built up in him?

Also, further speculation- Boney said that he'd come up with a lore-important reason why Cor-Dum is Cor-Dum, and I think I have it.
Boney said:
The continents were reshaped into five, and five cities were founded and our five leaders each joined with one. Draugnir with the city of Qt, Abraxas with the city of Iz, Radixashen with the city of Cd, Urmskaladrak with the city of Zl, and Kalgalanos with the city of Cl.
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All right, the Old Ones set up 5 cities on the world. One of them was called Cd- Cor-Dum? I think Cor-Dum was one of a set of 5 city-spirits more-or-less, created by the Old Ones to, as Borek said, ward and teach.

So Cor-Dum is known as Cor-Dum because Cor-Dum is his true name.

(Also raises the possibility that the others are gods themselves in the world- the only real data-point we have is that the Elves came from Qt)
 
So, the bit with Tochter was interesting, but sadly got overshadowed by the other two. Still, background lore that might become useful.

I am so happy about the Karaz-a-Karak bit. Because it means the Dawi are working on reclamation in a way that won't break the Karaz Ankor, they are spending from their hoarded wealth to build up military strength... and also building up military strength. An Engineer who can only grumble about materials shortages is a happy Engineer indeed. Also, once this is done, the level of increase in rapid-response capabilities this level of gyrocopter building will provide, is probably going to be noticeable across the Karaz Ankor.

And then Borek. Well, hopefully he'll be slightly happier than the canonical Worst Slayer. He still has a tragic backstory, but less personal tragedy, and more ambiguity involved.

Oh, and 100% []Yes.
 
Boney said:
Alright, anything with more than five votes got merged into anything it was close enough to. Please no questions about what exactly got merged into what.

Adhoc vote count started by BoneyM on Jan 8, 2021 at 8:28 PM, finished with 2777 posts and 243 votes.
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Here is the final tally for the "what the hell is going on in Karag Dum?!?" Theory vote.

I was very much off mark. But some people were very close.
 
Mopman43 said:
I wonder what exactly all of this means? Morghur has been bound to Dum such that the very souls of the Dawi are changing? And he's teaching them the corrupt knowledge that has built up in him?

Also, further speculation- Boney said that he'd come up with a lore-important reason why Cor-Dum is Cor-Dum, and I think I have it.

All right, the Old Ones set up 5 cities on the world. One of them was called Cd- Cor-Dum? I think Cor-Dum was one of a set of 5 city-spirits more-or-less, created by the Old Ones to, as Borek said, ward and teach.

So Cor-Dum is known as Cor-Dum because Cor-Dum is his true name.

(Also raises the possibility that the others are gods themselves in the world- the only real data-point we have is that the Elves came from Qt)
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Urmskaladrak was the dragon associated with the Dwarves though. (Not to say your theory is incorrect for that alone, but you'd expect it to be the city of Zl that was relevant to the dawi.)
 
Deathbybunnies said:
Urmskaladrak was the dragon associated with the Dwarves though. (Not to say your theory is incorrect for that alone, but you'd expect it to be the city of Zl that was relevant to the dawi.)
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It might be that the ancient Dwarfs knew of all the city-gods, though, even the ones not of their own.

Borek said that Morghur was only one of the names they remembered, not the sole name they knew.
 
Raiseth said:
I'm actually seriously considering religious, but I'm not sure it's a good idea.

Just as much as I'm not sure if dwarven is a good idea.

It's working for Mathilde, clearly, but Eike shouldn't just become a smol Mathilde without a hat.
Besides, it would leave her with some… Divided Loyalties.
*dramatic sting*
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Backup character, ho!
 
Also, I do have to say it's interesting that Mathilde helped him with his Slayer haircut. From what I remember she's always really disliked that custom, so even if she was fulfilling her promise it had to suck.

On the other hand, it also pretty intimately ties her to another—eventual—dwarven legend, which will be hilarious in the future, even if nobody ever actually hears of her involvement there. Or at least, ties her to Borek as a Slayer, not just through the expedition that led him to it.
 
Ok, that was a ride...

Anyway, about eikes party.

I don't want her to be forced into being a dwarf.

It was a decision on mathy's part and it should be a decision on Eike's part. The only thing Eike is right now is a wizard, a stirlander and a member of the grey order so the only choices I'm good with are

Wizard
Stirlander
Secrets.
 
Oh my *GOD* boney you slamm the answers on us out of nowhere holy SHIT

Boney said:
"The southern Holds called us paranoid, even as history gave the horrible answers to our other two suspicions: Why Uzkulak? Why Tylos?
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Im following the thought up to this point that Karak Dum's general disagreement of the other Karak's mountain selection blew into another wedge. But what are the significance of these two names?
 
Ericwinter said:
Also, I do have to say it's interesting that Mathilde helped him with his Slayer haircut. From what I remember she's always really disliked that custom, so even if she was fulfilling her promise it had to suck.

On the other hand, it also pretty intimately ties her to another—eventual—dwarven legend, which will be hilarious in the future, even if nobody ever actually hears of her involvement there. Or at least, ties her to Borek as a Slayer, not just through the expedition that led him to it.
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I just imagine this a tidbit of lore in the Warhammer Negaverse.

Like, Mathilde participating in the expedition and then Mathilde meeting Borek again later to give him a haircut, essentially, and everyone reading that would be like, whaaat, fucking Mathilde, she's everywhere.
 
CornyBones said:
Im following the thought up to this point that Karak Dum's general disagreement of the other Karak's mountain selection blew into another wedge. But what are the significance of these two names?
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Well, Tylos is where Cor-Dum went...

I'd say the implication is that Hashut is kin to Cor-Dum. Another of the old gods.
 
CornyBones said:
Im following the thought up to this point that Karak Dum's general disagreement of the other Karak's mountain selection blew into another wedge. But what are the significance of these two names?
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Those were places that later "fell" in various ways, so to speak. The Dawi of Uzkulak later turned to Hashut and became the Chaos Dwarves (we've actually visited that place during the Dum expedition, and it's in fact where we racked up those 2000 coins of debt), and Tylos is better known as Skavenblight nowadays, after whatever it was that led to the doom of its old human and dwarf residents.
 
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