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It's interesting that the 11 result, the highest roll, was "Chambers of Vlad and Isabella". And what we got from that was "study notes of the Carstein Ring". The 10 got the Scrolls of Zandri, and the 8 got the Creeping Flesh. Since higher is better, that would result in:

Ring Notes > Scrolls > > Creeping Flesh. But if you'd asked me to figure it out just from the descriptions, that's not what I would have said. I would probably have put it at Creeping Flesh > Scrolls > Ring Notes. I would have a prestigious volume for the Library is of high value, the Scrolls are a "this might possibly provide some actionable intelligence at some point, who knows", and a few von Carstein notes are a "nice to have".

I think probably the issue is me way underestimating the value of notes from a legendary master of magic on an artifact that just might have been created by Nagash. Notes that because they're on enchantment might help Mathilde improve her enchanting skills in ways otherwise blocked. Personal improvements, very powerful. Then for the Scrolls, I guess it's this line I should be focusing on. "Though they're named for the Prophecies that are the most famous feature of them, they also contain every errant thought that W'Soran gave voice to during the siege of Lahmia, making them a treasure trove of horrifically dangerous insight." Not sure exactly what sorts of insights to expect, and it will likely require at least two actions of language studies to take advantage (and only two because we took the Polygot trait).

EDIT: Looked up W'Soran on the wiki. Is basically the rule that the closer you get to Nagash, the more awesome magic is, and even insights filtered twice through from Nagash are better than any other human magic?

The Creeping Flesh is still great for the Library as opposed to Mathilde, though.
The notes may be particularly valuable for Mathilde specifically, because a lot of her deeper knowledge of magic was informed by the Liber Mortis, which is fundamentally Vlad's understanding filtered through the lens of Frederick (at least as far as the magical side is concerned, the tactics and strategy bits have lots of Frederick). Pretty much every investigation into magic since reading it has been informed by that information.

This (hopefully) sidesteps one of the big issues with teaching magic, which is actually communicating what you want. Mathilde would have an easier time working his insights for enchantment into her style than most others. And given how much the Liber Mortis did for her understanding, the enchantment notes are bound to be sweet too. If maybe not quite as extensive. But Mathilde is a natural talent for enchanting.
 
Nagash is one of those people that if you find his toothbrush, official empire policy is probably to put it in a lead lined box, get the next elector count to give you an armed escort, get to Altdorf, let the grand theogonist burn the toothbrush with holy fire, then move to middenheim, let the ar-ulric burn the remains again in holy fire. Then get back to Altdorf to inter the remains with the light college.

Because if you don't it's quite possible a tooth fairy daemon will come out, take over your body and start a tooth based reign of terror in the empire...
If you think about it, tooth fairies are just a specific subvariant of bone fairies. They have a natural affinity with skeletons and thus the undead.
 
At this point i would love a boney omake on how far he thinks Mathilda could take it if she fell to evil. Do we just stay a regional threat or do we carve out our own petty queendom.
 
At this point i would love a boney omake on how far he thinks Mathilda could take it if she fell to evil. Do we just stay a regional threat or do we carve out our own petty queendom.
Such a thing already sort of exists:
Unless things go really bad in a lot of ways, I don't think Mathilde could become a villain villain. But I could easily see her becoming a sort of "you fools, you're only meddling in my plans because you're too short-sighted to see that my way is the only way to- okay look I know they all say that but I actually mean it and the data is sound so please stop trying to besiege my volcano lair, didn't you read my paper?"

"Okay fair point but look if you go to Barak Varr talk to the local bookseller and ask for his books on Dwarven volcanology, there's this concept called 'hydrothermal power', that's why I'm in a volcano lair, it's totally not for the evil style points."
 
It's interesting to see the dichotomy between thread talking opinions and the underlying B O O K current on occasion. I can't help but recall @DragonParadox declaring pessimistically that there'd be no way we'd go for the W'Soran scrolls, only for the vote to be firmly lopsided in its favor.

Here's a premonition, based on data collected since before we opened the first chapter of the Liber Mortis to the general acclaim of hundreds of readers: We're going to vote to read the scrolls penned by two separate guys who worked together with Nagash, and those votes won't really be close at the end either, I don't think.

Volans studied for decades before he ever touched magic seriously. We've often wondered over the pages how he could have had such self control. Volans also became one of the most legendary wizards of the Empire the moment he got a good tutor. Our path has a good precedent! :lol:
 
Everchosen implies chaos. If we decide its necessary to use more of the means at our disposal it would be necromancy. Thats like, directly the opposite direction of corruption. Wed be evil, but still fighting the good fight (against chaos).
If only wed find more time for that instead of constantly being distracted by these misguided fools screaming about treason and undead abominations. Cant they see weve got more important things to do?


Not that she wouldnt be an awesome everchosen, certainly better than the canon one :p
 
Everchosen implies chaos. If we decide its necessary to use more of the means at our disposal it would be necromancy. Thats like, directly the opposite direction of corruption. Wed be evil, but still fighting the good fight (against chaos).
If only wed find more time for that instead of constantly being distracted by these misguided fools screaming about treason and undead abominations. Cant they see weve got more important things to do?


Not that she wouldnt be an awesome everchosen, certainly better than the canon one :p
I feel like Chaos absolutely would pick people who don't care for it in the Everchosen Tournament, for purposes of attempting to corrupt said people.
 
Everchosen implies chaos. If we decide its necessary to use more of the means at our disposal it would be necromancy. Thats like, directly the opposite direction of corruption. Wed be evil, but still fighting the good fight (against chaos).
If only wed find more time for that instead of constantly being distracted by these misguided fools screaming about treason and undead abominations. Cant they see weve got more important things to do?


Not that she wouldnt be an awesome everchosen, certainly better than the canon one :p
As Kemmler shows, there's nothing stopping a Necromancer from serving Chaos.
 
I think Mathilde would probably be like her necromancer mentor Vlad: evil, but surprisingly well adjusted. No cackling, just accomplishing her objectives is a straightforward fashion, with some of those objectives being evil, and some being killing Chaos gods.
 
[X] [MONEY] Council of Manhorak
[X] [SHEETS] No
[X] [ARMARIUM] Cult of Morr
[X] [SCROLLS] Priory of the Spear
[X] [FLESH] Cult of Verena
[X] [RING] Take

Books all garbage so off they go plus we don't want any vampires popping up eating our librarians.
 
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It's worth pointing out the tomes we've found here are the kind of things that are trait fodder, most books are just part of the +1 to a roll result, these though?

They're the kind of thing you can build an exceptional career around once you've deciphered them. They give you unique insights that are hard/impossible to find else where and would require significant effort to learn on your own and in some cases the attempt to do might be inherently corrupting even if the end result and knowledge isn't.

I'm slightly doubtful we'll end up with the same kind of gains we got from our other unique tome but I wouldn't be surprised either if it did and ofcourse as ever Mathilde will become even more skilled with Dhar with out ever using it.

I find it amusing that probably the school of magic Mathilde knows the most outside of Ulgu is Dhar, it would be awesome to try and find some tomes of equivalent insight into the other winds to try and take inspiration from.
 
Hey guys why don't we build a volcano lair in Sylvania. It be a good place to get rid of her enemies
The land is already pretty cursed, a volcano won't be too out of place

Why not Karag Dron instead? It's a volcano lair, and it's also a Dwarfhold! We just have to learn how to reroute extra power to the Dwarf Waystones, then somehow convince Thorgrim to reactivate the Tectonic Shackle whose existence we currently ignore, then kick out the Dragon Ogres that will just have run out of volcanic lightning. This way, we get a volcano lair, and a third reclaimed Karak!
It's totally doable, guys!
 
How they must have despaired when we graced their world, the sky turning red as the air itself tried fruitlessly to hamper our arrival.

We were led by five, the greatest of our flight: Draugnir, Abraxas, Radixashen, Urmskaladrak, and Kalgalanos. They led us on the long flight through the void, and decided this ball of ice would be adequate for us to rest and grow. The Shartak were the first to encounter us as we claimed the highest peaks and the grandest caves for our own, and we drove them from the heights and slew those that resisted. The Fimir grew maddened at the Shartak invading their lowlands, and tried to unite to make war against us, and they too we shattered utterly. The Prometheans were wise beyond what their forms would suggest, and sank below the waves, only emerging to feed on the battlefields we left in our wake. The world was ours.

Many years passed, and many children were born. They grew into Sun Dragons, who could breach the sky itself and warm themselves in the unobstructed radiance of their namesakes. They grew into Moon Dragons, and would stretch their wings by visiting the white moon, which at that time was the only moon of this world. And at last they grew into Star Dragons, ready to leave to find new worlds to conquer, and many flights did so. But for every Dragon that left this world, one would add their bones to the blown plain of stone that was the only place suitable to die, too far from the mountains to be found by Shartak, too far from rivers to be explored by the Fimir, and too far from the oceans to be fed upon by the Prometheans. The world was large, but so much was unusable that many Dragons grew gaunt and withered without ever growing strong enough to withstand the embrace of the void. Our leaders came together, and the plan they reached was brilliant.

If only our tools had been the equal of our ambitions.

We knew of other beings that plied the void, travelling in silver ships to protect themselves from the radiance we happily bask in. But though their forms were primitive, their cunning was almost sufficient, and we reached an accord with them. The worlds danced in the grip of their magics, and the sun grew larger in the sky as the ice began to melt. We spread across the entirety of the world, from the equator that we had dominated to the poles where the cunning beings made their grand machines. The continents were reshaped into five, and five cities were founded and our five leaders each joined with one. Draugnir with the city of Qt, Abraxas with the city of Iz, Radixashen with the city of Cd, Urmskaladrak with the city of Zl, and Kalgalanos with the city of Cl.

@Boney Just out of curiosity, is the whole 'dragons were a space-faring race' unique to this quest, or is it pulled from canon sources?

I know they predate the arrival of the old ones, and possibly worked with them at some point, but I can't find anything about space-faring directly.
 
@Boney Just out of curiosity, is the whole 'dragons were a space-faring race' unique to this quest, or is it pulled from canon sources?

I know they predate the arrival of the old ones, and possibly worked with them at some point, but I can't find anything about space-faring directly.
My understanding is that there's something like that story in a novel about Imrik.
 
@Boney Just out of curiosity, is the whole 'dragons were a space-faring race' unique to this quest, or is it pulled from canon sources?

I know they predate the arrival of the old ones, and possibly worked with them at some point, but I can't find anything about space-faring directly.
Canon lore somewhat contradicts DL. I'm not sure if it's recent or older, but recent lore about the Dragons of Cathay says that the Dragons preferred the world when it was colder and the readjusting of the planet's orbit is what is causing them to decline and go to sleep, and that the Dragon Emperor doesn't like the Old Ones because of that. The Moon Empress was the only other Dragon like him that he saw who was still standing and equal to him in the Great Cataclysm, so they bonded and ended up together.

Of course, things aren't that simple. A recent quote on the loading screens of Total War Warhammer 3 says that there is a legend that the Moon Empress isn't actually a Dragon, and that she's an alien from Mannisleb who assumed the form of a Dragon and got together with Xen Yang. Which would make the Cathayan Dragon Siblings half-Dragon, half-something else. A shapeshifting something else. Wild.
 
A recent quote on the loading screens of Total War Warhammer 3 says that there is a legend that the Moon Empress isn't actually a Dragon, and that she's an alien from Mannisleb who assumed the form of a Dragon
This? This is my new favourite lore.

I MEAN it explains why the Cathayan Dragons can shapeshift! Something other dragons don't seem to be able to do.
 
Of course, things aren't that simple. A recent quote on the loading screens of Total War Warhammer 3 says that there is a legend that the Moon Empress isn't actually a Dragon, and that she's an alien from Mannisleb who assumed the form of a Dragon and got together with Xen Yang. Which would make the Cathayan Dragon Siblings half-Dragon, half-something else. A shapeshifting something else. Wild.
The moon is kind of associated with shapeshifting, werewolves traditionally change at a specific moment of the lunar cycle. Having a shapeshifting moon-spirit would make sense.
 
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