Something I am starting to truly understand is that Mathilde is going to learn a lot of secretes of a lot of people. In the last one we learned that Belthani could do Astronomical mapping, human sacrifice, and came from somewhere over the sea. Also we learned the waystone trees have to have roots deep into the ground, the elves have a Device that can show you where a waystone is, and look down on ancient humans. I wonder what else she will learn about and how that may effect her in the future.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Elves looking down on humans is not a secret as it would hardly surprise anyone, other than that yeah quite a lot.
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Wait, sun in the south? Is this a northern hemisphere thing?
I'll keep an eye out. I'm still going through the book.
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Oh, I didn't mean necessarily for you, I meant in the sense of 'I wonder what action that would be in-quest'. It's not an option we have available right now - maybe it'd be available after we do the Laurelorn network action?
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The same might apply to Neue Emskrank, which was also a former Elven colony by the name of Athel Toralien. I'm pretty sure that place is cursed to be miserable.
Speaking of possible locations, I've got a couple locations of interest marked out on my reread of Heirs of Sigmar. I'm going to sleep soon so I'll probably do something about it tomorrow.
AV: AV does not thin reality, and detonates when reality is too thin or if it is agitated. AV is largely unreactive and when it does react it's by detonating. It is an entirely different form of energy to the Winds and applying theories and models based on the Winds to them will lead you astray.
Powerstones: breaking them causes three magic contained within them to explosively revert to Winds, leaving no fragments.
Liminal spaces: the only way to find a universal solution to enter any liminal space is to tear holes in reality, which is discouraged. Each liminal space has a different way to enter them, usually by finding a place where it and the physical world overlap.
Observing tributary streams: as Mathilde said in the update, this is inherently impossible. The streams are always fainter than the background energy level and made of the same energy as it. There's no training that can let you see a star behind the sun.
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WFRP 4e: Salzenmund - City of Salt and Silver, page 83
Stay winning, Empire of Man.
Ugh. Bloody "Dung age" trope. As if I needed more reasons to ignore 4e
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There are few things quite as clean as a worshipper of the God of Plague.
Sir_Travelsalot
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It doesn't even make any sense to say that, given that previous lore on Norscans said they usually smell pretty rancid from slathering seal oil on their bodies to prevent hypothermia from sea spray or falling overboard, like a wetsuit that you can scrub off.
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Funnily enough, Mathilde has proved Volans wrong here - the stuff of the Aethyr has tangible mass and volume, and it oozes out of a box we made as a journeyman.
Yes. The Sun is "above" the equator, so in the North it's to the South and in the South it's to the North.
Huh, I hadn't twigged that this was inherently impossible. I figured being able to observe "currents" could go either way, in that you can't see currents in water (except on the surface), but the existence of eight distinct Winds might have made differentiating deeper movement possible. Good to know.
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Why muck with the currently irreplaceable stones and roll the dice on the astounding amount of ways magic can go wrong if Mathilde already knows what's going on and can deduce the path of the stream with a wayshard?
He had other priorities that got in the way of publishing a book of poetry.
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I'd argue that 2e's repeated sexism provides more reason to ignore an RPG edition than 4e's joke about northmen's cleanliness.
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It also makes 0 sense for frequent bathing to be something associated with Norscans of all people, given there's an entire province in Bretonnia where a public bath is literally an unofficially enforced requirement for entering a village as an outsider. And, again, Norscans smell rancid from their improvised seal oil wetsuits.
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I'm kind of groggy, but you might want to save this for when Boney isn't on phone.
Mopman43
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Might be like early-modern Europeans writing natural philosophy texts in Latin?
It's not something mentioned in Realm of the Ice Queen, but Kislev might have a tradition of public baths? That was something popular in parts of Eastern Europe.
(The only specific mention of bathing in the book is that one of the tenets of Ursun encourages bathing outdoors)
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its supposed to be a historical reference, because the irl vikings got similar complaints when they showed up in... i think britain? and there was a panic because all the very clean, very buff norsemen were stealing all the girls with their braided and perfumed beards
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I'm well aware of what it is a reference to, I'm saying that within the context of Warhammer Fantasy, it makes zero sense for Empire citizens to associate Norscans with bathing. Much like how in the context of Warhammer Fantasy, it made 0 sense to throw the Crusades in there.
It's a cultural copy paste from when Scandinavians started colonizing the British Isles and proved quite enticing to the local women since they engaged in actual hygiene, which IIRC was out of vogue at the time for what I'm sure were stupid reasons. Outside of that context it doesn't really work, medieval Europe had a very well established bathing culture that only fell by the wayside when Victorian era puritans railed against bathhouses as dens of sin but still wanted to feel superior to the 'dark ages' so depicted the people of that era as even less clean.
If it were my only issue - fair enough. But it isn't.
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Dammit, I've been nerdsniped. Consider the first quote just me doing analysis for fun rather than an actual suggestion, because the idea gripped me by the forebrain and won't let go.
The crudest shadowgraph is basically the distorted shadows you see on the ground cast by heat haze or rising steam in bright light, or shadows flowing water casts on the stream bed. For doing that... sure, there are things that are bright to windsight, but that's not the same something interacting with the winds and surrounding material according to the rules of optics.
For the more sophisticated Schlieren to work for windsight... You'd need a incredibly bright point source of some kind of illumination that interacts with the winds, one or two mirrors behind what you're trying to view to either reflect back or collimate the illumination depending on your setup, and knife's edge or similar object at the focal point to further cut down the light into a better point source and thus sharpen the image.
There's a lot going on there, and while some of that is simple, each material property to be replicated seems to me to be even more effort.
So, yeah, a lot of this sounds like the same issues Boney brought up with Mathilde making a high speed camera a bit back. There's a lot going on here, and it all needs to work together but, fundamentally, you need something that will make the winds themselves cast shadows, without overly disrupting them in the process.
And then you need to stick the entire contraption underground, so the ley line is between it and you.
More seriously, this mini update does give me enough vibes to ask whether the Old Ones were actually a single class of being, or more multicultural (multispecies?) than that.
At least regarding the first half of all this, To the best of my knowledge, the typical way to do imaging like this with real fluid flow and other minute differences in gas and fluid is Shadowgraphs and/or Schlieren imaging, depending on how sophisticated your setup is.
The crudest shadowgraph is basically the distorted shadows you see on the ground cast by heat haze or rising steam in bright light, or shadows flowing water casts on the stream bed. For doing that... sure, there are things that are bright to windsight, but that's not the same something interacting with the winds and surrounding material according to the rules of optics.
For the more sophisticated Schlieren to work for windsight... You'd need a incredibly bright point source of some kind of illumination that interacts with the winds, one or two mirrors behind what you're trying to view to either reflect back or collimate the illumination depending on your setup, and knife's edge or similar object at the focal point to further cut down the light into a better point source and thus sharpen the image.
There's a lot going on there, and while some of that is simple, each material property to be replicated seems to me to be even more effort.
So, yeah, a lot of this sounds like the same issues Boney brought up with Mathilde making a high speed camera a bit back. There's a lot going on here, and it all needs to work together but, fundamentally, you need something that will make the winds themselves cast shadows, without overly disrupting them in the process.
And then you need to stick the entire contraption underground, so the ley line is between it and you.
On the other hand, Warhammer Fantasy being separated from 40k by being a setting where the Necrontyr and Old Ones managed to make peace instead of warring to destruction would be kind of hilarious.
More seriously, this mini update does give me enough vibes to ask whether the Old Ones were actually a single class of being, or more multicultural (multispecies?) than that.