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Honestly seems like it would be rather inconvenient. Getting in and out requires a climb and sewer and general plumbing seems very tricky. Maybe that can be solved with magic somehow, but the way isn't popping into my head.
It's fine, Jades have the spell Tree-Dweller's Step, which lets the affected character or creature climb and traverse natural obstacles (only natural obstacles/surfaces!) very easily.

It's only Relatively Simple, too - so really, it's a statement of how you have to be This Good Of A Jade to climb her treehouse!
 
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You look to Cadaeth, who is biting her lip, to Aksel, who's rolling his eyes, to Tochter, who has the look of someone who's trying very hard to find a reason why what she's just been told isn't the stupidest thing she's heard all week.
I wonder what's up with the disparate reactions. Aksel and Tochter seem to react similarly, though I have a hard time putting my finger on how they happen to know this as an obvious matter of course. But what's up with Cadaeth's lip biting? Is she being cheeky about something specific that she knows is already going on?

"Or it could reroute around the gap," Hatalath says. "Dropping a boulder on a stream only stops its flow for a few moments. The trick would be having it be a matter of push and pull, rather than just carving a static streambed."
I think this time I am a bit lost on the magical side of things. What exactly was Hatalath considering very hard to do? I thought it was directly related to making the energies flow through the Dreaming Wood. Now he is fully onboard with the others ideas?

"The tricky bit could be in the establishment of the tributary, rather than in the tributary itself," Aksel says. "It would be unable to re-establish itself if it's disrupted for long, but that would also mean that there's nothing all that useful in the tributary that someone could seek to steal or misuse."
I have a similar issue here. Maybe it's just late and my brain isn't fully working? What do they want to do while establishing tributaries and how does it change the value of the tributaries themselves, which, as far as I remember, already were very much of low value (when not literally made out of precious metals).

as Jade Wizards walk Mages five times their age through how not to treat each tree as an individual to be scrupulously catered to.
I'd love to read more about the cultural differences that led to this.

[ ] Orb Reveal (NEW-ish)
The Orbs are made, the books are written, the time is right. You'll show them. You'll show them all.
[ ] Silk (NEW)
At long, long, long last, Francesco has finally figured out how to weave the We-silk into something that can be worn. Be there for its debuts into the various markets it is destined to disrupt, and make sure that one of the first pieces off the loom - or whatever it is they use - will be your silk sheets.
Oh. Oh no. There goes all hope for voting in a more niche and neglected option. Why, Boney? Why must you spoil us so?


- Merry Christmas to those that celebrate it. I got you Grey Lord social, and orb flex, and Pan fluff, and silk sheets.
Merry Christmas to you too! And to everyone else!


Is there any option other than Orbin' that has a limited window of opportunity? Beyond being taken off the list due to lack of interest, that is. I imagine the most obvious one is Lord Seilph, who will only be available for as long as he's busy with Tributaries.

Well, Eike's got a new Mastery. Not entirely sure what to make of it.
It seems massively powerful. It makes a petty spell like Silence into a major offensive powerhouse. Just target the enemy commander from stealth and fuck over all cohesion on the cheap. Or kidnap someone from inside a crowded ball room while they live through a traditional child nightmare. Or bring a bull into the enemy porcelain shop unhindered.
 
That Zipline would be like 4km long though!

Personally I figure the tree could be coaxed to give up water that it drew up with it's roots, and sewers+bacteria+fungi = plant food, so Jade magic all the way through seems like it would be the way to go.

I wonder if she is going to pull in an enchanter with her college favor.
 
Just stories. It's safe to assume the setting has some sort of folktale equivalent to all of the Brothers Grimm tales.

Once upon a time, a young noble lady was forced by her cruel stepmother to labor day and night. Coated in cinder and soot, she became known mockingly as "Cinderella".

One day, word came of a grand ball being held by the emperor's son. Though all of Cinderella's house was invited, the poor girl was forbidden to attend.

Weeping alone in her empty house, Cinderella saw a magical light appear.

"I am your fairy godmother," said the light, "and should you wish it, I shall help you attend the ball!"

When Cinderella agreed, the light pulsed with magic. In a flash, her rags had become a shimmering gown, and her mop and bucket had become a noble horse and grand carriage fit for royalty.

Cinderella arrived at the ball, in all her splendor, where THE LIGHT OF SIGMAR REVEALED THE TRUTH TO HER SORCEROUS TRICKERY. SHE WAS QUICKLY FOUND GUILTY OF WITCHCRAFT AND COLLUDING WITH RUINOUS POWERS AND SUMMARILY PUT TO THE TORCH.

The End.


-Cinderella, Collected Tales Of The Brothers Grimmdark
 
It seems massively powerful. It makes a petty spell like Silence into a major offensive powerhouse. Just target the enemy commander from stealth and fuck over all cohesion on the cheap. Or kidnap someone from inside a crowded ball room while they live through a traditional child nightmare. Or bring a bull into the enemy porcelain shop unhindered.
It's not quite as good as that -- it's not "turn this person into an antimeme." It just makes it impossible for them to deliberately get someone's attention, through banging on the wall, waving, and the like. If they already have attention, or would naturally get attention from the circumstances (e.g. a guard checkpoint), the Mastery doesn't help. But it does mean that if you lure someone into a dark corner with nobody watching and then hit them with this trick, they are 100% screwed; it would have, for example, made our assassination of the Tzar completely trivial. It's really strong: the sort of Mastery you could build a career as an assassin on, the way we built our career in fastest-possible message delivery off Shadowrider.
 
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...It just occurred to me that The Red Shoes (the fairy tale) would fit into WHF extremely well.

Just have Karen be a witch who tries to curse a humble Empire town with The Dance Without End for some reason, but she botches it and suffers the consequences of failure: she is the one who starts dancing to death, and she doesn't spread it to anyone else. And at the end, she probably begs [insert god of your choosing here] for mercy, and she gets a mercifully peaceful death because she sincerely repented.
 
I wonder what's up with the disparate reactions. Aksel and Tochter seem to react similarly, though I have a hard time putting my finger on how they happen to know this as an obvious matter of course. But what's up with Cadaeth's lip biting? Is she being cheeky about something specific that she knows is already going on?
Hatalath is trying to excuse the tributaries not working by claiming it's a special case of the Laurelorn woods being so loyal to the elves that it rejects anyone else. Cadaeth, the forest spirit, knows he's talking out of his ass but isn't going to contradict her fellows, while the Hedgewise and the Druid know damn well how forests work and that this is nothing but typical elven ego talking.
 
Hatalath is trying to excuse the tributaries not working by claiming it's a special case of the Laurelorn woods being so loyal to the elves that it rejects anyone else. Cadaeth, the forest spirit, knows he's talking out of his ass but isn't going to contradict her fellows, while the Hedgewise and the Druid know damn well how forests work and that this is nothing but typical elven ego talking.
I want to imagine that Aksel specifically was thinking along the lines of how loyalties can get very divided (hah!), hence the eye-roll - no need to bring in how that's not how forests work, Hatalath's argument fails on a social basis.
 
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Many of which don't know about each other and frequently need to be stopped from exposing the others.
Some of them also feed into each other semi-unkowingly, like the Witch Hunter-Grey-Amethyst conspiracy to kill the (Lahmian-connected) Empress, leading to the Ranaldians replacing her with one of their own (and stealing the heir for Ranald in the process), which has lead to the Ranaldian-Wizard plot to create a Wizard Elector, which also feeds into the Witch Hunter plot to have one of their own possibly succeed the Emperor!
 
No chance of that.

If we were producing what we are over there, it probably wouldn't be all that valuable. No chance that it'll be worth it to send it over.
What about the armor-silks though? Those have no known equivalent in the east.
It's not quite as good as that -- it's not "turn this person into an antimeme." It just makes it impossible for them to deliberately get someone's attention, through banging on the wall, waving, and the like. If they already have attention, or would naturally get attention from the circumstances (e.g. a guard checkpoint), the Mastery doesn't help. But it does mean that if you lure someone into a dark corner with nobody watching and then hit them with this trick, they are 100% screwed; it would have, for example, made our assassination of the Tzar completely trivial. It's really strong: the sort of Mastery you could build a career as an assassin on, the way we built our career in fastest-possible message delivery off Shadowrider.
Still pretty awesome. That said, are those details from the Discord? Or did I just miss them being brought up?
 
Still pretty awesome. That said, are those details from the Discord? Or did I just miss them being brought up?
This quest doesn't have a Discord. It's just picklepikkl speculating, I think.

And I'd argue that Eike's Mastery is not as strong as some people are thinking: spells below Battle Magic that directly affect peoples' minds can be resisted by the strong willed, which is why not Wizard duels don't all start off with Silence. That's also why at the Battle Magic level you have stuff like The Withering or The Enfeebling Foe which, if they land, cannot be resisted by just gritting your teeth and powering through them.

It's just that Boney doesn't typically include 'this spell can be resisted with willpower' in spell descriptions in the Spellbook threadmark - so many of them do that it'd be redundant.

Edit: Mind you, Eike could still get up to some incredible shenanigans with that mastery. She could do that thing where you pick off people off of a group one by one and it takes those unaffected a minute to realize their friends aren't there anymore.
 
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Still pretty awesome. That said, are those details from the Discord? Or did I just miss them being brought up?
That's me exegeting this:
Silence Mastery: Neither Seen Nor Heard. Target is unable to deliberately draw attention to themselves.
It's certainly not "Target is unable to be noticed" -- that would be just a strict upgrade to Take No Heed, a Moderately Complicated Ulgu spell. This is a Petty magic, the least magic you can pull together and have it do something. So I read "unable to deliberately draw attention" and concluded that the stated exception proved the rule: that they could still have attention other ways, such as if it were already there or if it would naturally accrue to them, in much the same way that Take No Heed still lets you be noticed if the thing you're doing is a weird thing. So the situations in which it is strongest are the ones in which your target would not passively draw attention, but might try to actively draw attention if they could, because it closes off the specific escape clause they have.

It is true that I shouldn't have been quite so definitive in my phrasing: I should have made it clear that it was an interpretation I was confident in, not WoB.
 
It's certainly not "Target is unable to be noticed" -- that would be just a strict upgrade to Take No Heed, a Moderately Complicated Ulgu spell.
Take No Heed is Relatively Simple, but yes. I don't think it means people couldn't notice the affected person on their own, but rather that the subject themself is psychologically blocked from actively trying to draw more attention to themself.

Speaking of Take No Heed, I'd assume it would pair really well with this mastery.
 
Does the Mastered version last longer than the few seconds of the base spell? (presumably a round in the RPG).
It'd still be strong either way, but just a few seconds makes it a 'the moment of action' sort of effect.
 
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[ ] Pan's Treehouse
[ ] Orb Reveal
[ ] Silk
[ ] Skull River Ambush
[ ] Lord Seilph, the Mystic

This is my inclination. The Vlag books are tempting, but the language issue mentioned is a good reason to put them off.
 
getting silk means we can win at economics.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if the Silk Road starts going the other direction.

Spider silk being imported to Cathay lol.


My preferences for social actions are
[ ] Orb Reveal
[ ] Silk

Maximum books!!!
[ ] Nehekara books
[ ] Karak Vlag books
[ ] Lord Seilph, the Mystic


Potential reinforcement or caution on "did we do the right thing by assassinating the old Tsar?"
[ ] Niedzwenka
 
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