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I fell like this discussion has gotten away from where it started I'm going to bow out but I want to reiterate my main point is that I don't see how the we would be locked to the library eternally. The morality thing is more a side debate that only really applies if they are locked there forever.

The We can make copies and probably will have to as librarians. The We can change and grow as an indivdual coming to view the sacrifice of some "bodies" (books) as an acceptable price to move. The We will (hopefully) be paid a fair wage for an entire library worth of librarians and can use that to hire whatever they need to move, assuming they aren't just moving to somewhere else in the karak.

Yes a fundamental shift in how they see themselves and reality as a whole could happen, but as I said before I think that is up there with dwarfs deciding that K8P is a silly place.
 
Yes. Egg layers for the long term memory and Hunters as autonomous drones.
Thank you.
Then I doubt We has a concept of "endless life" at all, because concept of death is not really familiar to them. It's just life for them. Different mind and all that.
The We can make copies and probably will have to as librarians. The We can change and grow as an indivdual coming to view the sacrifice of some "bodies" (books) as an acceptable price to move.
For We, books are part of mind, not body. To sacrifice a book is akin to sacrificing some of it's memories.
 
Pay them in the food they need so they can spend all their time in the library instead of going out to hunt?
While the Way may eat a lot, i suspect the pay of the whole staff is probably enough to cover the food and still leave money.
Pay them for all the jobs they do, and they can convert that gold to food and whatever they feel like would be useful.

Maybe they'll find enjoyment in fancy hats.
 
On the subject of the We, one reason why I want to also teach them to be scribes (beyond the sheer efficiency they'd have, effectively being a printing press) is that doing so will likely make it so they can more efficiently store information. Like if they know how to make books then I predict that they will start making We memory books for important memories.
 
On the subject of the We, one reason why I want to also teach them to be scribes (beyond the sheer efficiency they'd have, effectively being a printing press) is that doing so will likely make it so they can more efficiently store information. Like if they know how to make books then I predict that they will start making We memory books for important memories.
You know, we should try and hurry up the development of cameras. That way, the We can have scrapbooks.
 
So idea the druids use to draw magic from the waystones. Now it reads to me that they use to draw from all winds and not just Ghyran.


@Boney can the Jade college still do the ancient way of drawing magic from the waystones?
 
@Boney, you specified that spell creation through Colleges can't be commissioned:
@BoneyM, is it possible to go to another of the Colleges, and use favour to commission the most suitable member to create a spell that lies within their wind's domain?
No, spell creation can't be commissioned.

Does it extend to Laurelorn? E.g. can we negotiate with House Tindomiel to try creating and properly codifying a spell by Mathilde specification, paying in favors or in precious metals / other raw materials Laurelorn is short on?

Separate question, can we commission custom one-off enchantments from them?
 
There is a stated benefit of "if we hire The We they will do the job for eternity" and the response to "What if they don't want to do the job for eternity?" is "They wont have any choice once they start they cant leave" If that doesn't sound sketch and predatory AF to you I don't know what to say.
No one is saying they won't be allowed to leave, we're saying they aren't going to choose to. If they somehow diverge strongly from everything their psychology and physiology indicates, they aren't going to be chained to the Library.

EDIT: Apologies, I've just seen your follow-up post bowing out.
 
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@Boney, you specified that spell creation through Colleges can't be commissioned:

Does it extend to Laurelorn? E.g. can we negotiate with House Tindomiel to try creating and properly codifying a spell by Mathilde specification, paying in favors or in precious metals / other raw materials Laurelorn is short on?

No. Elven spell creation is a process of decades, and Mathilde can't afford decades of work by House Tindomiel.

Separate question, can we commission custom one-off enchantments from them?

No. Enchantments are a military resource to Laurelorn.

Question @Boney would the we learning how to write books result in them shifting some of their memory storage to book form? Like would it be an improvement for them?

Possibly.
 
The LibrarWe could stockpile money for the day they may eventually decide to split again, letting them hire enough carts and escorts for the the budding off colony to take however much prosthetic memory they may desire to their next destination. Along with anything else they might want. There's no guarantee of safety on the trip, but there never is.
 
@Boney My question is. Where would the library-we live? Do they get dedicated chambers or are they under the library? Inside of it? Also would they see all books in it as important as their own books? Or would they be able to draw a distinction between we-books and library-book.
 
@Boney My question is. Where would the library-we live? Do they get dedicated chambers or are they under the library? Inside of it? Also would they see all books in it as important as their own books? Or would they be able to draw a distinction between we-books and library-book.
If I had to guess there are probably some pretty impressive vaulted ceilings that could easily be used for web space.
 
What if they don't want to do the job for eternity?" is "They wont have any choice once they start they cant leave" If that doesn't sound sketch and predatory AF to you I don't know what to say.
Some make that argument, but I'm honestly pretty sure they could and would mve.

Relocating a copy of each book within a friendly Karak isn't all that hard, especially with friendly dwarves around.
 
On the subject of the We, one reason why I want to also teach them to be scribes (beyond the sheer efficiency they'd have, effectively being a printing press) is that doing so will likely make it so they can more efficiently store information. Like if they know how to make books then I predict that they will start making We memory books for important memories.
The issue with We scribes is that presumably we'll want to send our army of scribes out to copy books from other libraries and the We, can't really do that at all. Besides, much as I like giant spider librarians, I find the idea of a bunch of folks working with them and being totally blase about the giant spiders due to long experience to be a fun image.
 
If I had to guess there are probably some pretty impressive vaulted ceilings that could easily be used for web space.
I don't think the egglayers would like a room with open access. They seem very protective about them.

Also I just remembered how the we did payment for silk. Which was something like "the we took a long and hard look at economic theory and monetary systems, then decided to throw it all out and went "is worth twice the amount of protein as used for the webbing.""
 
The issue with We scribes is that presumably we'll want to send our army of scribes out to copy books from other libraries and the We, can't really do that at all. Besides, much as I like giant spider librarians, I find the idea of a bunch of folks working with them and being totally blase about the giant spiders due to long experience to be a fun image.

Why would we want them to copy other libraries' books while the motivation of increased copying speed is that we can share our books much wider?

Getting other libraries' books on the cheap is not only the less valuable/interesting possibility created by The We, but also assumes that the other libraries are stupid. (In the sense that, once they see how fast your people can copy books and make their revenue streams irrelevant, will let spiders keep doing it)
 
@Boney My question is. Where would the library-we live? Do they get dedicated chambers or are they under the library? Inside of it?

The library isn't a detached building with easily delineated inside and outside and under. It is halls inside a mountain. New rooms will be carved out to accommodate whoever ends up being hired according to their needs, and whether those rooms count as inside the library or not is a really fuzzy question.

Also would they see all books in it as important as their own books? Or would they be able to draw a distinction between we-books and library-book.

It's impossible to predict in advance the exact moral judgements they might eventually reach.
 
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