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@Boney What happens if we make an exchange deal with another library, send scribes to copy their stuff, and then the books get lost in transit? Are we allowed to have our scribes go back and make another set of copies?
 
Well, yeah? Of course Dhar is an essential part of the system due to its attractive properties. The point I was making is that the specific types of Winds in the leyline don't matter, and do nothing to attract or repel other Winds in the environment beyond the fact that we need multiple types present to keep what's already drawn in stable.
Packets of Dhar moving through the environment would be like dragging magnets through clouds of iron particles. They'd be towed along naturally. Packets of Dhar wrapped in other Winds will attract all Winds, then repel all but the involved Winds, net result of increasing the concentration of certain Winds by attracting them from ambient aggregations
 
I would love to get the sexy dragon books but we don't really know of anything that we could offer the sexy dragon for his sexy books that the sexy dragon couldn't get through intimidation itself.
There is a good chance if we bring in Cython they will just bring their hoard of books. Since they will not want to guard two different hoards of knowledge. Meaning we can get access to them.
 
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Packets of Dhar moving through the environment would be like dragging magnets through clouds of iron particles. They'd be towed along naturally. Packets of Dhar wrapped in other Winds will attract all Winds, then repel all but the involved Winds, net result of increasing the concentration of certain Winds by attracting them from ambient aggregations
Boney said that it doesn't work that way. The Dhar is only for keeping the stuff inside the leylines together, not for drawing in Winds from the environment. Otherwise, Mathilde would've noticed the Dhar doing something rather than just disappearing when she observed that Waystone.
 
I'm not sure where you're getitng the idea that scribing is a bargaining chip. At the moment, we want scribes so that once we reach a deal with other libraries, we can act upon that deal and copy the materials that they agree to share with us. The We are unable to do that, because there are significant logistical challenges in moving that many giant spiders across a continent.

That is the exact opposite of what I said.
But ultimately our communication hiccup matters less than the fact that we apparently agree: The We are not going to help with scribing from other libraries.
I proposed that we can use our ridiculous dwarf+college standings to make up for that. The We's real scribing-related advantage is rapid dissemination for specific manuscripts that you already have. That's what makes them printing press lite.
 
Packets of Dhar moving through the environment would be like dragging magnets through clouds of iron particles. They'd be towed along naturally. Packets of Dhar wrapped in other Winds will attract all Winds, then repel all but the involved Winds, net result of increasing the concentration of certain Winds by attracting them from ambient aggregations
I think you're overestimating the scale of dhar the waystones are generally moving. Especially since the leylines seem to generally be at least some distance underground, which would probably insulate the ambient winds from the attraction to the dhar in the leylines. It might cause some minor eddies in the winds when some large scale chunk of dhar gets sucked into the waystones, but I doubt it's massively shifting the currents that magic follows above ground.
 
I'm, not sure why you seem to be suggesting that other libraries would like us destroying their revenue streams? And in fact freely hand over their prized possessions to help us do it better?

It was, for the record, sarcasm that I hoped would clarify the unrealistic nature of that expectation.
For the record, this is serious:
Because you clearly do not say "yes" when someone asks nicely to destroy your revenue streams.
 
That is the exact opposite of what I said.
But ultimately our communication hiccup matters less than the fact that we apparently agree: The We are not going to help with scribing from other libraries.
I proposed that we can use our ridiculous dwarf+college standings to make up for that. The We's real scribing-related advantage is rapid dissemination for specific manuscripts that you already have. That's what makes them printing press lite.
That's more true. But I'm betting that the scribe vote will be similar to this vote. Either or, not Mix and match. So either we go fully into the we ( not my preferred path) or we go for someone else for scribes.
 
Boney said that it doesn't work that way. The Dhar is only for keeping the stuff inside the leylines together, not for drawing in Winds from the environment. Otherwise, Mathilde would've noticed the Dhar doing something rather than just disappearing when she observed that Waystone.
Field effects. The outcome should only be noticable on a strategic, long term manner. Its basically adding a weak gravity field that does what aggregationa of Dhar already do
 
Do the We understand the concept of fiction, or would it confuse them to see that people have written down 'erroneous' or contradictory information which to a heavy extent depends on imagination and made-up worlds?

They understand its existence, but they've yet to fully grasp the point of it.

@Boney What happens if we make an exchange deal with another library, send scribes to copy their stuff, and then the books get lost in transit? Are we allowed to have our scribes go back and make another set of copies?

Sure.

Because you clearly do not say "yes" when someone asks nicely to destroy your revenue streams.

What exactly do you imagine the business model of these libraries to be?
 
It was, for the record, sarcasm that I hoped would clarify the unrealistic nature of that expectation.
For the record, this is serious:
Because you clearly do not say "yes" when someone asks nicely to destroy your revenue streams.
We wouldn't be destroying their job. People still want to go to the nearest library if it has the books they're looking for, and only go further afield if it doesn't.
 
Personally, I think of leylines as of pipes. They can transport Winds without "spilling" them, but wouldn't attract any Winds outside of Waystones.
 
Honestly, I doubt most libraries are operating as a business instead of having a patron of some sort keeping them afloat, whether that patron is a cult, a wizard college or a noble of some kind.
 
That is the exact opposite of what I said.
But ultimately our communication hiccup matters less than the fact that we apparently agree: The We are not going to help with scribing from other libraries.
I proposed that we can use our ridiculous dwarf+college standings to make up for that. The We's real scribing-related advantage is rapid dissemination for specific manuscripts that you already have. That's what makes them printing press lite.
My position is exactly the same as the quote you were responding to, so I'm not sure how you agree with my framing but not Wiggy's.

Edit: Smh copy paste error.
 
Actually how do libraries in whf make their money. I never really thought about it. Like it can't be copying of books, that takes too long. Do they take a fee for entrance?
Generally, libraries in this time period survive purely off of state funding.

Libraries are such a massive money sink it's basically the only way.
 
Yeah but we will not be able to hire him as a scribe... Like he would need to be the head librarian, this vote, to even think about it.
It would be more of a partnership than making Cython head librarian. Cython would have alot of say but not more than Mathilde. Also with the dawi paying for everything and it having to be approved by Belegar Cython can not go wild. Now why I see Cython wanting to do the deal is that it will be a easier way to gather knowledge than he can .
 
It would be more of a partnership than making Cython head librarian. Cython would have alot of say but not more than Mathilde. Also with the dawi paying for everything and it having to be approved by Belegar Cython can not go wild. Now why I see Cython wanting to do the deal is that it will be a easier way to gather knowledge than he can .
No i get that, but it's this vote. And I'm sorry to say but the sexy dragon is not winning it.
 
Actually how do libraries in whf make their money. I never really thought about it. Like it can't be copying of books, that takes too long. Do they take a fee for entrance?

They're typically funded by an organization for the utility of having that resource available and for the prestige of doing so. For example, the Great Library of Altdorf is funded by the University of Altdorf, and the Great Library of Marienburg is funded by the Marienburg government.
 
My position is exactly the same as the quote you were responding to, so I'm not sure how you agree with my framing but not Wiggy's.

Edit: Smh copy paste error.
I *think* their argument is that no libraries would let us copy their books since that would cost them their income somehow and so we should just say to hell with the idea of sending scribes to other libraries and instead focus on having the We just churn out infinite copies of our existing books while we use our Favor to buy more books? Which, seems a bit dismissive of the idea that other libraries might want to trade their cool books for our cool books and seems to have odd ideas of where these libraries are getting funding from. Something of a different vision for the library as some kind of massive publishing company instead of, y'know, a library, but it's an idea I suppose.
 
What exactly do you imagine the business model of these libraries to be?

In medieval times, the people who wanted to buy a book paid someone to copy it from a library or private collection. [1] There wasn't much circulating availability.

All nontrivial libraries were costly organizations, and their basic income was whatever the founding organization gave them. In the case of monastic libraries, this was the Church. In the case of private libraries, this was generally the nobility and, in some cases, notable burghers.

However, these libraries also had a variable income opportunity in selling people access to books for scribing.

For any library that cares about making money beyond what basic income their owner/patron grants them:

The book seller I initially mentioned isn't going to conjure the prior copies from thin air and make loads of money. The library is aware of book prices. The library can therefore charge people who want to copy books. As allowing those copies increasingly decreases the exclusivity they enjoy for future scribing, this will not be pocket change. As the price of books is well known to libraries, this will not be cheap.

That is what I imagine the business model of contemporary libraries caring to do business to be.

1.https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/medieval-world/medieval-book/making-medieval-book/a/making-books-for-profit-in-medieval-times
 
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