Kind of yeah, they are meant to help you put more power into your spells, what is where the +1 magic comes from, but I think there are materials that do the job better, or at least as well and safer than Winds in a jar.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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Kind of yeah, they are meant to help you put more power into your spells, what is where the +1 magic comes from, but I think there are materials that do the job better, or at least as well and safer than Winds in a jar.
deathofrats0808
Don’t think of it as dying; just as leaving early
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- Earth
That doesn't always exist though. In fact it doesn't exist right now. In canon Katarin grows it, and IIRC, Boney has said that it's a thing Ice Witch Tsarinas do. Either way, it's not a regualr feature though.
Level in this case means to make flat.
I think they're devices to make spellcasting easier, rather than Wind channels. So it depends on what you're having trouble with I guess? Some might be for power, some might be for control depending on the Wizard who wields them.
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- New Brunswick, NJ
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- He/Him/His
I'm divided on the question of whether Locals or the We does a better job of expressing K8P's strength in diversity.
On the one hand, Locals does a better job of tying the library to the Karak as a whole. It draws from the three most numerous races of citizens: dwarves, humans, and halflings. This gives an opportunity for them to mix socially and professionally in a way that, as far as I can tell, mostly doesn't exist inside K8P: generally, dwarf clans do some sorts of things in their mountains, humans do other sorts of things in Karag Nar, and halflings do their own things in the Eastern Valley. They mix a little at the edges, but there isn't anything that all three of them do together, yet, and this Library represents a shining opportunity for that: in binding the Library to the Karak and the Karak to the Library, it also binds the races together. That is a seriously good thing that I value very highly.
On the other hand, the We option would be monoracial: once the Library-We colony exists and understands its job, there's really no point in having a different kind of librarian as compared to the librarian that is functionally immortal and has the exact same knowledge available to all its component bodies. But at the same time... where else but Karak Eight Peaks would this have been possible? Without Belegar having already established a policy of multiracial citizenship for humans and halflings who had proven themselves, there's no way the uplift-and-integration option we chose way back at the start of our Loremaster career would have been available. But because K8P is what it is, the precedent established for familiar allies of the dwarves was able to be extrapolated and extended to this totally new, extremely strange and initially hostile, entity. As a symbolic gesture, it's pretty meaningful for supporting that when we say all well-intentioned people are to have access to this library, we mean all: the nonhumanoid, the unsettling, the ones nobody has befriended or even knows about yet, everyone's welcome as long as they're willing to play nice. Not just the socially acceptable ones.
I still support Locals over the We, because, as mentioned, I value very highly the notion of binding the fabric of the Karak more tightly and integrating the Library in that, and because I want the Library up and running faster than I expect it will take to get the We to understand what their role is and get them set up in it: to be a proper library and not just a storage unit for Mathilde. But after thinking about it a lot, I don't think it significantly undercuts our goals of diversity and acceptance to make the We our librarians (or, er, librarian singular): it approaches the problem from a weird angle, to be sure, but it nonetheless embodies those core values.
On the one hand, Locals does a better job of tying the library to the Karak as a whole. It draws from the three most numerous races of citizens: dwarves, humans, and halflings. This gives an opportunity for them to mix socially and professionally in a way that, as far as I can tell, mostly doesn't exist inside K8P: generally, dwarf clans do some sorts of things in their mountains, humans do other sorts of things in Karag Nar, and halflings do their own things in the Eastern Valley. They mix a little at the edges, but there isn't anything that all three of them do together, yet, and this Library represents a shining opportunity for that: in binding the Library to the Karak and the Karak to the Library, it also binds the races together. That is a seriously good thing that I value very highly.
On the other hand, the We option would be monoracial: once the Library-We colony exists and understands its job, there's really no point in having a different kind of librarian as compared to the librarian that is functionally immortal and has the exact same knowledge available to all its component bodies. But at the same time... where else but Karak Eight Peaks would this have been possible? Without Belegar having already established a policy of multiracial citizenship for humans and halflings who had proven themselves, there's no way the uplift-and-integration option we chose way back at the start of our Loremaster career would have been available. But because K8P is what it is, the precedent established for familiar allies of the dwarves was able to be extrapolated and extended to this totally new, extremely strange and initially hostile, entity. As a symbolic gesture, it's pretty meaningful for supporting that when we say all well-intentioned people are to have access to this library, we mean all: the nonhumanoid, the unsettling, the ones nobody has befriended or even knows about yet, everyone's welcome as long as they're willing to play nice. Not just the socially acceptable ones.
I still support Locals over the We, because, as mentioned, I value very highly the notion of binding the fabric of the Karak more tightly and integrating the Library in that, and because I want the Library up and running faster than I expect it will take to get the We to understand what their role is and get them set up in it: to be a proper library and not just a storage unit for Mathilde. But after thinking about it a lot, I don't think it significantly undercuts our goals of diversity and acceptance to make the We our librarians (or, er, librarian singular): it approaches the problem from a weird angle, to be sure, but it nonetheless embodies those core values.
The Phoenixian
The Glacier Witch
- Location
- My own little world
Honestly, I can see this happening now if Mathilde is galaxy flexes cheekily enough.
Dear Dragomas, regarding the power stones that were entrusted to me by the colleges, I'm afraid I must return said objects with my apologies. Alas, an experiment of mine has left them substantially altered from their original state, and no longer usable as power stones. On the positive side, at least there will be an interesting paper in this mode of failure and its cause.
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[X] Locals
[X] Cython
[X] Cult of Verena
I'm still favorable to the Cult of Verena and Cython, but now I've been swayed by arguments to Locals too.
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- Location
- Utrecht
I just want to do something nice for Belegar's sanity.
Mathilde said "A great library made for and by all the good people of the world, whatever their species" to Belegar when she asked for the boon.
And reiterated with:
"Any species, as long as they don't act against the Civilized Realms and are willing to swear the proper oaths."
That's Locals.
Making it Halfling only, Verenan, We-only, Runescribe only goes against that.
And so does passing custodianship of it to Cython.
Mathilde said "A great library made for and by all the good people of the world, whatever their species" to Belegar when she asked for the boon.
And reiterated with:
"Any species, as long as they don't act against the Civilized Realms and are willing to swear the proper oaths."
That's Locals.
Making it Halfling only, Verenan, We-only, Runescribe only goes against that.
And so does passing custodianship of it to Cython.
When did the We or Cython become non-local, or the dwarfs opposed to giving the job to the most qualified person?
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- Canada
Sorta?
They're both about channeling magic through Wind conductive materials as I understand it
But the way they do that is completely different
The Power Mist is just a bunch of Wind in a physical gaseous form
And the Wind is obviously conductive to itself
Staff turning is more refined, they take a Wind conductive material and carve various runes to further attune it to a specific wind
Staves can also have quirks, like Mathilde's staff being particularly attuned to mist based Ulgu magics
I'm not sure how exactly those quirks work, considering variation is supposed to merely result in a lack of efficiency, but Mathilde's knowledge on the subject is incomplete, having only gone through the basic "how to make staff" lectures
More advanced staff turners can make staves that enhance specific spells and whatnot
Important part of all this though is that the power mist and staves work on different principles
And staves make the the power mist (or at least that specific application for power mist) redundant
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- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
We're deciding on who runs the library, not who gets sole access to it.
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- Finland
"Any species, as long as they don't act against the Civilized Realms and are willing to swear the proper oaths."
"Any species" not "All comers"
There is only so many spots available, and the best candidate for all of them just happens to be a sapient swarm of giant spiders.
Library is made by all the good people (who know of it and decide to pitch in), but that does not necessarily mean it is staffed by all the good people, everyone is still welcome to contribute to the store of knowledge, and to study within it.
And maybe The We decides at some point they need to hire some librarians who can go out into the world to negotiate deals, copy texts from foreign sources, deliver messages outside the hive mind range, etc...
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Diversity isn't about picking people who look different, it's about picking people who have different life experiences. The We have a grand total of One Life Experience. Hiring from the locals will incorporate dozens of unique viewpoints, values, identities and beliefs into the running of the library.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
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- America
You may have missed this:
In answer to my question. Apparently there's some possibility.
As for its usefulness, if we're making something personal, I would much prefer a general use artifact that would presumably boost all our magic by a lot than a war machine that's really good at one thing in combat and does little else. But that's just me personally.
For me its the simple fact that I find the idea of regular people staffing our library to be boring. I would have more fun with the library if a cool magical creature is positioned to interact with us regularly, than a person with the normal number of limbs.
Actually a question for the thread, what enchantments could we place on the Library using a full set of orbs?
If we do go for the spiders (I know they are could the WE, but I can't make this sentence work) and go though the enchantment that makes the look like humans and can speak, it would probably be more practical to enchant the building powered. By the mist and wild stones with one big spell then to make a enchantment for each WE.
(Just because I don't want an option, doesn't mean I'm not think how to make it work if the thread must.)
If we do go for the spiders (I know they are could the WE, but I can't make this sentence work) and go though the enchantment that makes the look like humans and can speak, it would probably be more practical to enchant the building powered. By the mist and wild stones with one big spell then to make a enchantment for each WE.
(Just because I don't want an option, doesn't mean I'm not think how to make it work if the thread must.)
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- A Pit Of My Own Making
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- He/Him
Universal Translator? For both speech and text (although maybe not Dark Tongue)
Befuddlement enchantment for those that want to steal/damage books
When did 'diversity' become the stated goal of our attempt to make a library? I feel like I am arguing with some kind of a priori value system that is assumed to be part of the library simply because we chose to allow 'all good people 'to use the place.
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- Finland
Personally i dislike the idea of making The We look like humans.
Giving them ability to talk more easily works fine, but making them change how they look just to make visitors more at ease feels wrong.
If someone is really arachnophobic, maybe they can hire a local to act as a go between.
Also pretty sure we could just use regular power stones for the speach enchantment.
Orbs feel too important to use for something so mundane.
Giving them ability to talk more easily works fine, but making them change how they look just to make visitors more at ease feels wrong.
If someone is really arachnophobic, maybe they can hire a local to act as a go between.
Also pretty sure we could just use regular power stones for the speach enchantment.
Orbs feel too important to use for something so mundane.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
[X] Cython
[X] The We
I prefer Cython, but the We are cool too.
[X] The We
I prefer Cython, but the We are cool too.
I think there is something to be said for allowing one or two of them to look human as greeters (and as an added security messure; you think you gave the spiders the slip but that fellow in the robe is a spider) Agreed on not using orbs though.
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Well, maybe the best solution is to realise that giant spiders don't make good front facing service staff?
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What makes the We less worthy of being tied into the culture of K8Ps, and the old world in general? The We being librarians will mean they get to talk to a wide variety of well-traveled folk, rather than just some guards and whoever comes to collect silk. I say it's just as strong an option for inclusion and inter-species cooperation than locals, if much more focused.
The librarian job is actually a fantastic starting point for the We splitting again in the future. They'll have a lot of contacts, and a broad knowledge base. I wasn't kidding when I said that I'd love it if a hundred years from now, the We would actually be a culture, and not just a collection of independent individuals.
That said, let me admit to my biases. I personally I wasn't that into library to begin with, though it definitely grew on me. However, 'multiple cultures working together' has never been anywhere on the priority list. We already have the Waystone Project doing that, and K8Ps being what it is, doing that. Not that I would mind, but it's not a goal. On the other hand, cool shit like bookmining, spider employing and dragon tempting is awesome and something I want to read.
