power truly does corrupt.
also, Can I just point out that the power stone experiment was perfectly possible when we were still a Journeywoman: could have even been our masterpiece.
Lets just sit on that thought.
Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
- Thread starter Boney
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also, Can I just point out that the power stone experiment was perfectly possible when we were still a Journeywoman: could have even been our masterpiece.
Lets just sit on that thought.
- Location
- Mexico
"Incredible, once again i am speechless at the sheer genius and ability displayed by Teclis in teaching those animals"
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
…Man I'm glad I didn't join until after we were already around Eight Peaks. I would be so ashamed right now.
Granted, I still am that it took this long regardless, but damn.
I mean, if I remember correctly the Dwarves only really need a gallon or two every four years or so? And have a massive head start with how much we gave Thorek already. The real question is what Thorek would offer to delay the next batch of Orbs for a year or so.
[X] Cython
[X] Locals
I'd rather either integrate the library more fully into K8P and have locals, who consider K8P their home, working for it or to have an Emperor Dragon as the librarian. Locals are loyal and more vetted and live here. An Emperor Dragon is impressive and terrifying and prestigious, and a partnership might give it a reason to care about part of the Karak more.
The spiders... I don't really like or want for librarians. Spiders are creepy.
Slightly more seriously, I'd rather have humans/dwarfs/halflings or a dragon as a librarian rather than spiders. People would be more comfortable with humans or dwarfs working at the library. And while a dragon is intimidating, a dragon is also something that people know of, and furthermore Cython would hire people to work, and wouldn't be the sole library staff. Locals or the Emperor Dragon would bring benefits. Picking the We feels like just trying for cool points or to give them something to do; and they're not an Emperor Dragon, so 'giving them something to do' isn't really at the top of my list.
[X] Locals
I'd rather either integrate the library more fully into K8P and have locals, who consider K8P their home, working for it or to have an Emperor Dragon as the librarian. Locals are loyal and more vetted and live here. An Emperor Dragon is impressive and terrifying and prestigious, and a partnership might give it a reason to care about part of the Karak more.
The spiders... I don't really like or want for librarians. Spiders are creepy.
Slightly more seriously, I'd rather have humans/dwarfs/halflings or a dragon as a librarian rather than spiders. People would be more comfortable with humans or dwarfs working at the library. And while a dragon is intimidating, a dragon is also something that people know of, and furthermore Cython would hire people to work, and wouldn't be the sole library staff. Locals or the Emperor Dragon would bring benefits. Picking the We feels like just trying for cool points or to give them something to do; and they're not an Emperor Dragon, so 'giving them something to do' isn't really at the top of my list.
Mathilde caught the snake back in turn 7. That was 31 turns ago.
[X] Locals
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
…How many actions did it take to get here?
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Starts? Bold of you to assume we're not already kinda there.
"Hey so I haven't yet put into practice the secret of Gehenna's Golden Hounds and I'm really busy, you think you could capture a Rider in Red for me? No? Well, ok, I guess you could get me a giant robot. Or, no, how about a seviroscope? A thingy which I just made up and totally haven't been idly wondering about for the past few years."
A painful thought if there was ever any. Still, lets think on the positives here: If the thread had done this as a Journeywoman, Mathilde would not have had the option to flex as hard as she currently can.
- Location
- Europa, Jupiter Orbit
The question is whether a single person (which is what the We are) can adapt to becoming the kind of welcoming and helpful library staff that a massive and well visited modern library will eventually require. Maybe the We is capable of that level of multitasking. In the University omakes they became a teacher teaching multiple class rooms simultaneously, so it is at least imaginable. But maybe the We is not quite capable, due to physical limitations that will not go away.
We could save up to make two sets at the same time. Then we can gift one and still keep one in case Dragomas decides that we should hand over the AV box (in exchange for fair compensation) if we at all care about the good of the Empire. The extra Orbs we can use to share with Egrimm, as bargaining chips or to get up to fun shenanigans with the Eonir. Maybe Adela can build a nuclear bomb out of the Aqshy one. Or just make the gyrocarriage into a widescale napalm thrower that doesn't consume fuel to fly.
Kragg's staff has something larger than a Human head on his staff. Human heads really aren't that large.
Yes, but getting used to having the Library might get him to the point where he wants to do it.
In other words, we're not worried about giving him the ability. We're worried about giving him the motive.
The canon versions literally are machines that shoot big magic at a low cooldown. "Altering reality" is literally how all spells work, so Boney wasn't inconsistent with canon or anything when he said that.
You want to make a deal with Cython in which he swears, to a mortal no less, that he won't ever change scenery for his main home for the next, say, five thousand years? Why the hell would he want to agree to that and why would we do that to him?
Or are you thinking of a shorter timespan? How long do you want the Library to have a Dragon librarian.
What about if Mathilde dies? Will Cython accept that some new mortal inherits her part of the partnership and becomes Cython's equal?
About 180. 6 actions per turn over 30 turns (not including the turn we caught the snake).
- Location
- Oklahoma
Mathilde as a Journeywoman might not have had the thorough understanding of everything involved to immediately catch on to the possibilities.
Or, at least, would likely have had to roll for it. With a failure possibly meaning the line of research closes entirely. Or, at least, we'd have little idea of how much AV would be required to create Orbs of Sorcery, leading to a question of whether to keep dumping AV on the stone or use it for other tests.
(I'm assuming this test having no visible rolls is because it was, at this point, basically impossible for there to be any other outcome. Mathilde is way too good at this kind of thing and has way too much experience with AV to not get this right.)
We definitely could have got here sooner, of course, but I doubt it would have been as simple as 'immediately dump some AV on a power stone.'
Or, at least, would likely have had to roll for it. With a failure possibly meaning the line of research closes entirely. Or, at least, we'd have little idea of how much AV would be required to create Orbs of Sorcery, leading to a question of whether to keep dumping AV on the stone or use it for other tests.
(I'm assuming this test having no visible rolls is because it was, at this point, basically impossible for there to be any other outcome. Mathilde is way too good at this kind of thing and has way too much experience with AV to not get this right.)
We definitely could have got here sooner, of course, but I doubt it would have been as simple as 'immediately dump some AV on a power stone.'
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I'm less interesting in hiring guards than I am helpers who will aid people in using the library to its full potential and see that as at least an equal priority to guarding the books. This isn't a primarily magical library of dark secrets. Huge sections of it will be perfectly mundane knowledge.
Ericwinter
Definitely not a Skaven Infiltrator
- Location
- America
I meant AV research actions.
That.., would take 75 College Favor. I really don't think we'll be getting that much any time soon.
Can they understand the concept of inheritance, or even just someone gifting another person Their possessions? Because if not, then sure that's a fair point, but otherwise Mathilde's part becomes her designated heir's part, and if Cython has an issue with not being that heir they can take it up with the various people who would defend Mathilde's right to designation. Which pretty much includes at least two Karaks at this point, if not the whole Karaz Ankor.
Note, I'm not being facetious. I'm actually unsure if a dragon would get inheritance or not, being not mortal. But if they do understand the concept they would probably respect Mathilde's right to decide who gets her stuff. After all, they would want to be able to do the same for their own stuff.
- Location
- The Internet
[X] Locals
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Actions taken with AV up to today, in order and by Turn:
- Turn 21: Investigate the constantly-dripping blood of the Wisdom's Asp.
- Turn 25: Investigate how living things react to exposure to the Vitae.
- Turn 26: Investigate the exact circumstances required to induce a transformation.
- Turn 27: Investigate how the Vitae reacts to Dwarven magic-dampening Runes.
- Turn 28: Attempt to interest a prominent and knowledgeable Runesmiths in the interaction between Runes and Vitae. (will start at the top and work your way down)
- Turn 36: Investigate how the Vitae reacts with Divine Magic.
- Turn 38: Investigate how the Vitae reacts to a power stone.
Edit: And "Experiment with integrating the Vitae into enchantments.", which is likely to be interesting.
Mathilde only bought her Ulgu power stone by Turn 27, but the possibility of using a power stone was a crossed-out option the turn after that first action was taken - Turn 22.
That said, TimEd is right, no way we/Mathilde would have had the willingness to experiment on this without the Room of Calamity.
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JayTar
Idea briefcase
[X] The We
Both because I love the idea of spider librarians, and because this will be good for the We's development. Having access to so many books and interacting with a bunch of people will result in great things.
Like, humans with their poor single threaded minds, limited lifespan, and two hands can become incredible polymaths and experts.
But an immortal spider hivemind? I see the potential for something world changing in the long term. A titanic intelligence on par with gods or high tier AI.
I wonder what adaptations the We will find for interacting with people. Maybe have spiders wearing different hats?
I am now distracted by the idea of the We wearing hats.
Both because I love the idea of spider librarians, and because this will be good for the We's development. Having access to so many books and interacting with a bunch of people will result in great things.
Like, humans with their poor single threaded minds, limited lifespan, and two hands can become incredible polymaths and experts.
But an immortal spider hivemind? I see the potential for something world changing in the long term. A titanic intelligence on par with gods or high tier AI.
I wonder what adaptations the We will find for interacting with people. Maybe have spiders wearing different hats?
I am now distracted by the idea of the We wearing hats.
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chocolote12
A Penguin Flailing Against The Keyboard Of Life.
[X] The We
Like, undeniably Cython would be practically and aesthetically amazing, but at what cost? At what cost?
Installing the We leaves the library ours. Staffed by a hive mind of giant spiders, yes. Potentially considered a body part a hive mind of giant spiders, yes. But still ours. The shadows and the spiders within them can coexist.
Staffing their libraries with giant spiders is what all Shadow wizards would do, if they could. Algard's Library is a wailing liminal space that draws unwary scholars lured by forbidden knowledge to their doom, and our library is and will be a dungeon inside a dwarven fortress inside a caldera in a mountain range on the edge of the civilized world infested with horrific monsters, and when everybody makes the bad jokes asking if the giant spiders are also the librarians we can dunk on them by saying yes.
And that won't impact its accessibility at all, because anyone willing to travel all the way to Karak Eight Peaks for b o o k isn't going to stay home because they heard that the shadow wizard who made the thing made sure it was well protected.
This is part of my reason, too. Cython is cool and all, but giving away the book hoard to a dragon just because the dragon would look cooler owning all of your treasure than you would probably feel really bad to read about, even as a lurker.
Like, undeniably Cython would be practically and aesthetically amazing, but at what cost? At what cost?
Installing the We leaves the library ours. Staffed by a hive mind of giant spiders, yes. Potentially considered a body part a hive mind of giant spiders, yes. But still ours. The shadows and the spiders within them can coexist.
Staffing their libraries with giant spiders is what all Shadow wizards would do, if they could. Algard's Library is a wailing liminal space that draws unwary scholars lured by forbidden knowledge to their doom, and our library is and will be a dungeon inside a dwarven fortress inside a caldera in a mountain range on the edge of the civilized world infested with horrific monsters, and when everybody makes the bad jokes asking if the giant spiders are also the librarians we can dunk on them by saying yes.
And that won't impact its accessibility at all, because anyone willing to travel all the way to Karak Eight Peaks for b o o k isn't going to stay home because they heard that the shadow wizard who made the thing made sure it was well protected.
there is also the enchantment action
Parabola
Divided Loyalties Librarian
- Location
- The Destination of Fate
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Oh yeah, that too! Added.