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One problem is that an Orb is the size of a human head, which makes its incorporation in a staff not really practical. I think it's also overkill, and that that much magic would just burn out the staff.
I mean, a skull on a staff isn't that weird a thing? Maybe not a small staff, but heads aren't that big.

The power thing is a fair point, though Boney pointed out that their use in enchantment is more to weaken reality than channel raw power, if I understood correctly?
 
I mean, a skull on a staff isn't that weird a thing? Maybe not a small staff, but heads aren't that big.

The power thing is a fair point, though Boney pointed out that their use in enchantment is more to weaken reality than channel raw power, if I understood correctly?
I don't know the density of a powerstone, but one massive block the size of a head would probably be very heavy. Imagine a cristal ball the size of your head.

Fair for the power. On the other hand, it seems all Orbs are used only in battle altars.I imagine that because it would be a waste to put something that powerful on a staff.
 
There is a difference between
"You handed me a library and I decided to take it."
And
"I have decided to steal your entire library."

This is why I don't want to give Cython the library. Because if we don't go with Cython, I don't think the former space lizard will choose to take the risk of making an enemy of the entire dwarf race, the Colleges, and the Empire.
Proud and powerful as they might be, the long-lived dragons must be adept at picking and choosing which risks to take, simply because the alternative would have already killed them. Cython, too, chose which dark elf raiders to attack with care.
 
In the long term, the candidates for any position in the We-run library would be between an added iteration of an effectively immortal hive-mind that knows everything about the library and can be in constant communication with every other librarian, or some guy who has none of that.
This makes me more hesitant to hire one of the two immortal options than anything else. Not only are we effectively giving them possession of the library indefinitely, but they will crowd out practically everyone else from the operations of the library. "A great library made for and by all the good people of the world, whatever their species." Mathilde's making this library her ambition, and basically giving the library to any one person does seem to go against that stated goal/ambition. I'm not against We and draconic contributions to the library, but it might be best to create (or use) an organization of not-so-immortal people, rather than one singular person.
 
So random thought on the subject of the we as Librarians. Namely that when it comes to preserving books, especially ones that are read, one of the issues that come up is the effect of sweat and the oils on a person's skin has on the parchment. It's why when reading older books you get provided tweezers to turn the pages to as to avoid this issue.

Now I will need to check but I think the chitin of the We would avoid such issues. So that is another plus that could factor in to Mathilde's thought process when choosing them.
 
This makes me more hesitant to hire one of the two immortal options than anything else. Not only are we effectively giving them possession of the library indefinitely, but they will crowd out practically everyone else from the operations of the library. "A great library made for and by all the good people of the world, whatever their species." Mathilde's making this library her ambition, and basically giving the library to any one person does seem to go against that stated goal/ambition. I'm not against We and draconic contributions to the library, but it might be best to create (or use) an organization of not-so-immortal people, rather than one singular person.

I mean is the function of a library to hold and preserve lore, making it available for all or is is to meet staff diversity quotas? Because that is what hiring people based on that part of the charter would be. Personally I prefer to think that our visitors are 'any and all' and the staff is whoever is best at the job
 
There is a difference between
"You handed me a library and I decided to take it."
And
"I have decided to steal your entire library."

This is why I don't want to give Cython the library. Because if we don't go with Cython, I don't think the former space lizard will choose to take the risk of making an enemy of the entire dwarf race, the Colleges, and the Empire.
Proud and powerful as they might be, the long-lived dragons must be adept at picking and choosing which risks to take, simply because the alternative would have already killed them. Cython, too, chose which dark elf raiders to attack with care.
Boney already said if Cython wanted to Steal it their really is nothing we could do. But the thing is their is a good chance he will put his hoard of books and scrolls with Mathilde. Gaining access to a dragon who value knowledge library would be worth the risk.
 
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I don't know the density of a powerstone, but one massive block the size of a head would probably be very heavy. Imagine a cristal ball the size of your head.

Fair for the power. On the other hand, it seems all Orbs are used only in battle altars.I imagine that because it would be a waste to put something that powerful on a staff.
I suppose the weight might be a bit much, but on the power, staves are usually personal. Spending a unique resource on that would be dumb, but merely a very rare one? Less dumb.
 
An Orb of Sorcery is the size of a persons head.

I don't think it's physically practical to have that on the end of a staff, even if it was magically useful.
Perhaps an Orb of Sorcery isn't too big to be used in a flail, or a meteor hammer? :thonk:
Hmm... Cython is 5 votes over locals and I actually prefer it to the We just for the sheer deep lore it could give so taking out the We vote for now. If Locals comes close again I will put it back

[X] Cython
Why not approval vote for both? Taking your vote off of Locals means it's less likely to re-gain the lead again. Rather than taking your vote off of your preferred out come, you can include Cython as a secondary option, then possibly remove Cython if it becomes a contest between Cython and Locals.
 
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Perhaps an Orb of Sorcery isn't too big to be used in a flail, or a meteor hammer? :thonk:

Why not approval vote for both? Taking your vote off of Locals means it's less likely to re-gain the lead again. Rather than taking your vote off of your preferred out come, you can include Cython as a secondary option, then possibly remove Cython if it becomes a contest between Cython and Locals.

I was taking the vote off We. I dislike Locals over any of the others.
 
Boney already said if Cython wanted to Stealbit their really is nothing we could do. But the thing is their is a good chance he will put his hoard of books and scrolls with Mathilde. Gaining access to a dragon who value knowledge library would be worth the risk.

That is true, but it does not reflect on what I said.

If the dragon can take the library in either case, and you want that to not happen, making the action more costly to an extremely long-lived (and necessarily proportionally sensitive to risk) entity means that it is the best security we can have against a future hostile action.

If you propose that Cython will never be hostile or deleterious to the library - sure, my suggestion is unnecessary. But if we can't say that, then the next best action is to make the immortal lizard weigh its immortality versus books it can already read at its leisure - as long as it is friendly.

Edit: if we can get Cython to write books instead... Well, I can see great potential there.
 
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My practical evaluation of the top four:

[] The We
- Requires the most time/effort investment of the top four on our part to start with, and will make the library initially more intimidating. However, the We have an assortment of abilities(instant telepathic communication between members, movement in three dimensions, innate security, ability to grow numbers as needed, no dying of old age) that means they can grow into basically the ultimate librarian, and their straightforward logical nature makes them both trustworthy and highly reliable.

The fact that their home would be the Library, and they would neither be easily capable or at all inclined to move away from it, would also make it extremely unlikely for their interests to diverge significantly away from the Library's.

High trustworthiness and maximized competence as librarians in the long term, but requires a greater initial investment of effort.

[] Cython
- The most politically intricate of the options, in my eyes. Cython is extremely competent, but also cunning, self-serving and callous. However, this option would align its interests much more closely with ours and the Karak's, which makes it much more of an ally than it currently is. Whatever secrets Cython may know - and there are certainly going to be a lot of them - will be a great deal easier to get out of it, and it would be much more inclined to trying to defend K8P if it comes under threat.

Cython would maximize security moreso than any other choice, and is capable of performing the duties of a librarian with extreme competence if so inclined - though I'm not sure if it'd be as invested in that as in security. It's also naturally inclined to seeking out more knowledge, especially exotic knowledge, which will aid in the Library's growth.

The big concern is that it would be much more likely for conflicts of interests to appear between Cython and other people that are also invested in the Library(such as Mathilde and K8P in general), and if that happens, Cython would have a great deal of ability to ensure that things land in its favor. It is very difficult to say "no" to a Hysh Emperor Dragon, and if Cython decides to do things we don't like, we can't really put the dragon back in the box.

Highly competent but least trustworthy choice, but has the most goodies attached to it.

[] Locals
The simplest and most straightforward option, really. The main complications are the conventional ones you have when you aren't an Emperor Dragon or a colony of giant spiders. Competence checks, corruption, bribery, manipulation, infiltration, theft, politics, disagreements, etcetra.

The most interesting thing about this option is the cultural impact it has: The Library would become far more integrated into the identity of the locals, and the locals would be much more inclined to become the sorts of people that highly value libraries.

Simple option, replaces all the unconventional problems with just conventional ones.

[] Cult of Verena
Another relatively simple option. Same "conventional" weaknesses as the Locals, but the Cult of Verena brings the most immediate expertise, and libraries are sort of their Thing, so competence is expected.

The other main concern is that the Cult of Verena is very established and likely has their Own Way Of Doing Things, which could come into conflict with what we want. However, I think this is not likely to be a massive problem, seeing as the religious mandates and cultural values of the sort of Verenans we'd be recruiting are practically identical to our goals for the Library. Honestly, I can totally see us getting along famously with them.

The Cult of Verena would also be an excellent friend to have, and they have some great goodies to offer. We'd be able to much more easily obtain very large amounts of BÖÖK from Verenan libraries this way, we can get that knightly order on board for extra defense(I think Belegar would be quite happy to have another knightly order invested in K8P's protection), and whatever expertise the Verenans have to offer as experienced librarians. Maybe we could even finally get a Divine caster into WEB-MAT...
 
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