There's the Spider-god, maybe the Bad Moon. 8E just generically says they have a pantheon. I think Chaos worshipping Orcs have been in canon before. They might find Khaine attractive. The Hobgoblin Khanate is closely intertwined with the Chaos Dwarfs so maybe some Hashut worship?
That would be the Iron Orcs found exclusively (for some reason) in the province of Carcassonne.
...is there a reason you think a new income stream would be a good use of a Great Deed? AFAICT we're not limited enough on funds at present that it'd really be a worthwhile exchange. I'd much rather reserve such a valuable resource for when we need to solve a problem our other tools (e.g. not inconsiderable existing wealth) can't.
A Great Deed is useable in the Empire and nowhere else. Unless we plan to limit the geographic scope of the project to the Empire's borders, we're going to need out of pocket expenses to achieve our goals, whether that be for bribes, buying land with waystones on them, hiring outsiders for jobs, etc. We spent 2000 GC on a laboratory that we otherwise couldn't get with a Great Deed. I doubt it'll be the last big purchase we'll make for the waystone project.
I don't mean legally, I mean morally. The point of taxing a fief is to improve the fief or improve your ability to defend the fief. If it's not doing either, it's unethical to spend it. Even going around being an official wizard for the Empire isn't a legitimate use of the money unless it's to the benefit of the fief, because that's how the feudal contract works.
No. This form of argument is distasteful to me. This is such a completely imagined non-issue.
which out of pocket expenses do you think we will have that we cant shunt to the colleges through web-mat or that wont be picked up by our hosts? the only thing we really paid for was furnishing for the hq is laurelorn...
Our host is Laurelorn and we still had to pay for Laurelorn equipment with our personal money. The other contributors aren't even hosting so they'll certainly never financially contribute to the project. The only College money we can spend is for the wages of web-mat employees, nothing else. The entire financial burden of the project is on Mathilde's personal money.
The main discrepancy I'm trying to reconcile is that canon OTL Egrimm's betrayal happened on 2457 IC according to historical records, which means OTL Egrimm is older and started his wizard career much earlier than in quest.
Not true. The feudal contract exists between a noble and their liege. In Mathilde's case this is (AFAIK) Roswita. Mathidle owes Roswita fealty, taxes and services (prominently military but also judicial and administrative). Roswita owes Mathilde justice, a fief, and protection. What exists between Mathilde and those living in the fief is a form of manorialism, where Mathilde owns the land and they effectively pay her rent to use it to grow food and build houses and such. Not the same thing.
Oh sweet, it's just rent, not taxes. Let's go get our money from the fief, then. Can also freely spend a Great Deed to grab another fief.
you haven't actually answered my question. what expenses do you see us having to pay for? and no one has contributed financially to the project yet because the project has yet to start.
That was not your question. You asked me what expenses we couldn't shunt off to contributors and web-mat, to which I said that we can't shunt off any expenses to them. That was an adequate answer.
I also gave the Laurelorn lab as an example of out of pocket expenses we had to pay for.
I'm not sure what expenses we're gonna have, but I expect we'll find *something* that could benefit from having cash thrown at it. And I haven't seen the slightest hint that anyone else is willing to front cash for this beyond the time and wages of their representatives. If we come up with a workable prototype, sure, they'll probably pay to make more of them, but until there's an indication of success I doubt anyone's gonna pay up on a project that seems as much of a long shot as this one.
This is thinking long-term. It's not spending the Great Deed on a lump sum of cash we spend right now, it's passive income so that down the line, when we need money, we have money. If you don't think spending the GD on passive income is the best long-term idea, that's one thing, but I really don't like the statement that it's only a short-term boost to solve an immediate problem.
Yes, though Mathilde is not in turn sponsored by the Colleges of Magic. She's a member but she doesn't get money from them.
I mean, we paid for the lab out of pocket. Not sure if there's any actual funding for WEB-MAT besides wages for the employed wizards? Doesn't really look like it.
WEB-MAT is a branch of the Colleges of Magic, headquartered in Karag Nar. It is a contributing organization to the Waystone Project. Iirc its funding comes from a mix of Altdorf and K8P.
